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So…my question here would be “Why?”. I’m not certain what the video/surveillance would serve. Is there an assumption that Paul Pelosi committed a crime? Or maybe that the family has made false statements to the police?

This is your third attempt at a do-over. What’s that all about? Pick a lane for goodness sake. I’ll ask again…addressing all three of your evolving allegations.. #1. What was the conspiracy you accused me of? You haven’t said. #2. What was the conspiracy I waltzed to, the one @B-man brought up, but not the one from #1 that you think I was promoting? #3. What’s my predisposition and what story do you think I wanted? You didn’t say. If I read or heard something incorrectly as you now (newly) imply, how does that square with #1 and #2 and spreading either conspiracy? Elaborate please, on the conspiracy, or any of the claims you have made. Great question: I feel when people throw out “straw man”, “whataboutism”, and “conspiracy”, it often means those people are insecure in their beliefs, lack the ability to deliver a cohesive message, and are often poor communicators. I’m not at all surprised to you trot tall three out here. Four posts tapped the energy reserve? You should hit the gym, son. Are you not sure who you’re communicating with? Maybe you’re upset at a whole ‘nother poster. Me, sometimes I mock. I mocked your (first) conspiracy theory because it was completely unnecessary. It was also ill-conceived, lacked any details and was pretty dopey. I mocked the second conspiracy theory for the same reasons I mocked you first theory, plus you changed your story, and that was pretty weak and doubly-dopey. You’ve gotten worse as time has gone on. Have a good night.

Sounds reasonable enough. The most simple explanation typically is the correct one. On that note, would you consider dem leaders spreading information about this being a R, or MAGA, call to violence "conspiracy" theorists? Also, on this note, this is the way many people feel about the attempt to tie DJT to the 1/6 riots by them congressional committee under the guise of being some sort of seeker of justice and truth. It's just silly.

As a grown up, I recognize duplicity and sh*t stirring. I responded to the information provided by the police officer speaking about the incident--nothing more, nothing less. I claimed nothing, suggested nothing, and declared nothing beyond the unusual fact pattern shared by that officer. I would have been happy to discuss the phrasing used by the police spokesperson to describe the interaction, but that wasn't in the cards. I'm still uncertain if you believe I was conspiring with the spokesperson to flood the internet with stories about the hammers 'n underwear to bring down the Speaker of the House. If so, I can't help you. Next time, if your feelings are squishy because of how I responded to your dopey conspiracy comment (the first one, before you changed it), next time consider starting the conversation in a different manner, maybe like a grown up would. Also, try not to take things personally.

I think the reference to 'a friend', if it played out like that, could be as simple as Pelosi trying to be calm and control a very dangerous situation. In the aftermath of 9/11, Rudy Giuliani said his father taught him to be the calmest guy in the room during a crisis. That's great advice.

I heard a lot of them pay people to sit in their own urine, and a second person to sit behind them and smell it. I’m playing the Powerball tonight. Stay tuned.

First, it’s completely inappropriate to tell people how they should communicate with others. It stifles dialogue and is quite offputting. Second, he didn’t say that. He changed the arc of his accusation when I asked him to explain. That’s weak and shallow. Third—and I’m not certain how SunnyD feels about this as he doesn’t seem to want to explain, but if the “conspiracy” is that the attacker isn’t a “Maga nut”, that’s about the most non-eventful and pedestrian conspiracy theory ever launched. Here’s the dialogue: Person 1: He’s crazy but not Maga. Person 2: Yeah he is. Person 1: I don’t think so. Person 2: Oh yeah. Person 1. Oh, ok I disagree. Person 2: Cool. Fourth, I could be wrong, but feel like SunnyD mentioned he thought the attacker was nutso and suggested politics be kept out of it. Fifth, I gave three alternatives to SunnyD’s issues and you’re hyper fixated on one. Open your mind. Sixth: In this grand conspiracy you have elaborated upon, is the police spokesman in on it?

I’ll hazard a guess on your behalf based on our brief interaction. First, a quick recap: The police spokesman in the link provided said that both men were holding hammers, and that they arrived, one man began bashing the other guy with a hammer; I thought the fact pattern as reported by the police spokesman was odd, not because it involved any particular person, but because it seemed unusual that a guy would break into a house with a hammer, or break in and find a hammer, and that the homeowner would awaken and or be awake and have a hammer as well. So, I said it was odd as reported by the police spokesman in the clip I watched. Turns out I was correct, it would seem; You jumped in with an allegation that I was promoting a conspiracy theory, you cited Fox News as your source, and in an effort to understand, I asked you to clarify your comment; You decided to ignore my request for clarity and vigorous dialogue, instead repeating your unsubstantiated declaration but changing your comment to suggest I was waltzing to yet another conspiracy put forth by B-man; So, on the whole, I think there are a few explanations as to why you’re left to wonder about things. You could be a kid goofing around, and if so, you got me! You could be an adult goofing around and if so, you’re probably a bit of a loser. Finally, I think you’re probably a closed-minded and emotional thinker, prone to jumping to conclusions and spinning stories that ultimately don’t materialize, and insecure to the point that when you make a silly declaration, get called on it, you lack the ability to simply say “I got ahead of things there, my bad.”. Anyway, let’s move on and recognize that Mr. Pelosi suffered a gruesome injury and a horrible attack, that the attacker should be institutionalized and kept from hurting anyone else.

The danger is we can’t trust republicans implicitly either. I don’t want another dog and pony show, and these politicians seem to run an awful lot of quid pro quo. Power corrupts, that’s a fact.

You will refer to that as opposition research in approximately 4.8 years. I think regardless of political affiliation and whether or not Twitter-Musk will be the end of the world, this is funny as *&$#.

It’s amazing to me how the origins of a virus responsible for untold suffering and death, and that decimated the world economy does not get center-stage treatment similar to the 1/6 hearings. We’re a compliant and acquiescent group, the American people. Btw, when Trump suggested it would disappear, I think this is what he meant.

You’re missing the point imo. Your characterization of fringe element nutjobs is fair, though I see it as less of a horseshoe and more of a closed loop. I see very little difference between an anarchist of the left looking to disrupt/destroy/tear down than I do someone on the right doing the same. They are the same people. The important issue is how these people are leveraged for political gain. On a very local level, @Sundancer creating a narrative that people are creating or fomenting conspiracies when discussing the odd fact pattern initially offered in reporting last night. Now, while he was way ahead of himself on that issue—and apparently was completely comfortable with the narrative you offered about Pelosi meeting/knowing/seeing his attacker around town—it’s entirely possible he was concerned that my post may have reached and influenced my ones of followers and the 5-13 regular posters here. Or, it’s possible he was seeking some version of moral high ground populated by the perpetually unimaginative. On a much larger and more important scale, look at the response. Biden tying this attack by this obviously deranged individual to Republican voters is repugnant. There are crazies all over the place, people being pushed into oncoming trains, people sucker punching others, and a nightly dose of Dateline NBC reveals some horrendous stuff goes on in the world. It is deliberate, intentional and divisive with purpose. This isn’t a case of political violence regardless of whether or not this guy is found with a ticket to the next Trump rally or not. He’s not the only one, of course, but he is the latest. Why? Well, like stolen election allegations and the like, it works. Rand Paul nailed it.

What conspiracy are you implying I scripted up, Tiny Dancer? I commented on a report that suggested something other than what was reported later. I suggested that it was an odd fact pattern, which it was. The only conspiracy angle raised was by you, seeing tales that were not spun, and fables never whispered by a roaring fire.

The Muppy Puppy ‘bout to bring the pain?

So Pelosi is sleeping, guy breaks in, Pelosi wakes up and confronts him. It’s reasonable to assume Pelosi is in boxers or underwear. The crazed intruder is, for whatever reason in his underwear. After all, he’s a crazed intruder. The hammer(s) are odd. One hammer? A guy breaks into your house and has a weapon. Scary af but understandable. Two hammers, one held by each guy? Maybe there’s construction ongoing in the house, but the fact pattern seems pretty odd.

Wait a minute…you’re linking a source that has nothing to do with the beliefs you hold close to your heart and pretending it says something else? https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/ You probably couldn’t find one, there are only hundreds and hundreds of reports and links that confirm you are wrong. Here’s one: https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/ Here’s a link to the comprehensive review of Mueller’s multi-year investigation and findings from William Barr: https://www.npr.org/2019/03/22/706016316/read-attorney-general-barrs-letter-on-mueller-report That Russia attempted to subvert and influence our process should come as a surprise to no one. Hell, Hillary Clinton, the DNC and key members of the democrat party did just that in the lead up to the election and it continues to happen as we speak. One can argue the FBI did just that in actively surpressing news that was unfavorable to the Biden campaign. Don’t fall for all the conspiracies Tibsy. Elon Musk is no more in Putin’s pocket than Trump was.

Listen, I’m serious. If he’s got something other than what has been widely reported and known for several years on the Mueller report, we all should know about it. More importantly, Tibsy apparently has deep insider intel about Elon Musk being a Russian Operative as well. That’s important information that we all should know about. It seems like just yesterday he was lauded as a brilliant entrepreneur rocket man who was going to change the world for the greater good. Of course he may have voted differently then….

We—conservatives, liberals, independents and casual observers—all claim to want direct, honest dialogue from our political representatives. This is what that looks like, and it’s uncomfortable for some people to hear that. Those people typically want their candidate to say whatever it is they need to get elected, but get hostile when their candidate is called on it.

The one repped by Mueller in front of the Intelligence and Judiciary Committee, that one. Did someone tell you there was more than one Mueller report? Is Fox News part of your conspiracy? And if so, how does Elon Musk and Twitter factor into the scheme? How exactly does the lawful, vetted and finalized purchase of Twitter factor into the “Russian state media” story?

Julia didn’t get the Mueller memo? Or, is she just an agent of disinformation?

I’m uncertain only of whether or not he would be clinically diagnosed with Alzheimer’s or Dementia. In this case, it’s irrelevant because anyone with a heart and brain knew he wasn’t up for the task when he was running. But, he was the savior of the party according to many liberal voters.

I agree there are more severe cases of cognitive decline than we see with Biden on a daily basis. Assuming he was responsible for only for enjoying his retirement years, in his current condition I think most of like suggest he’s doing ok for an old codger. Of course, he benefits from the access to the highest quality health care in the world, without regard to cost, travel and etc. Seems we see his absolute best. Now, he has lost track of where his son died, Chi, and his son died 7 years ago. He drifts off mid conversation and loses track of his thoughts. He mumbles unintelligibly frequently. To be fair, I don’t know if he actually suffers from dementia or Alzheimer’s, but it’s hard to watch him deteriorate and I am no fan of Biden. Using your fast ball analogy, he must not have pitched beyond T ball.

I’m not sure what you are fussing about. I agree completely that you said what you meant, and meant what you said. What I’m hurting about today is why you’re lashing out at me for quoting you verbatim. If you meant something other than what you said, simply clarify or move on. That you have dug into the ‘I didn’t mean to say that out loud’ mindset speaks volumes imo. If dishonesty has established a home here on a beautiful Sunday morning, it resides in Camp Tiberius.

No, I didn’t. One uses italics to differentiate one word from others in text. That was my intent. You raised the issue of fentanyl, meth and relative laziness in response to a post that had no reference to those subjects. Why, I cannot say, as it was your post, outlining your thoughts on issues you brought to the table. I think it’s because you hold some sort of bias on a subconscious level, but that’s just a guess.

There’s always moving on, Chef. I completely understand and do not disagree with your entire premise, as offered here and explained in your subsequent posts on this topic. The thing is, the government giveth, and the government taketh away. This scheme is ill-conceived, ill-advised, and is simply phase one of the next stage of loan forgiveness. I considered it my obligation to assist our children in planning and funding their higher education, with the necessary shepherding away from high cost schools, debt management and living up to their part of the bargain. In fact, I considered it a privilege. So, I read the comments and listen to politicians speak about tax rates and consider where they will go in the future. I consider the impact of taxation on my earnings and my plans for retirement and the next phase of my life. I believe contributing to the greater good is important, necessary and part of my duty as a citizen. I consider that a privilege as well, though i recognize the system is broken af. You play within the rules, you pay attention to the rules, and when things change, you adapt accordingly. The decent, hard-working citizen who has met their obligation and chooses to pass on this….opportunity, ugly though it may be, will likely be the same person getting squeezed by excessive and onerous taxation in the future. In fact, it’s almost a certainty given the historical tax rates in the nation. Now, if the battle can be won legislatively or in the courts, and this boondoggle stymied, I’m more than ok with that as well. Tibs comes up with some funny stuff from time to time. “…they are not all high on meth and fentanyl and lazy…”.