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My goodness you're seeing spies everywhere! Mike Pence did the right thing. It's a shame he's the fall guy in some people's eyes, but he's a big boy and he'll handle it. There is a difference between you and me, Red, but it's not about 1/6 and Mike Pence. The difference is you supported claims of stolen and illegitimate elections, preposterous though they were, and I did not. You were cool with the first one (2016), but not the second one (2020). I think both were an affront to decency and democracy, but if that's the way the game is played, what can one do? In fact, I have no doubt that had an honest democrat spoken out against the national trauma inflicted upon the country during the Russia hoax and Mueller --and to be clear, there weren't any to be found--mainstream dems and supporters would have Penced him or worse. You would probably be one of them. I haven't partaken in the Epps thread to any great degree. Applying critical thinking skills, it would seem unlikely that law enforcement wouldn't have a source/plant in the crowd. Law enforcement partnered with notorious gangster Whitey Bulger, for example. I'm not always sure that's the wisest idea, or morally correct, and surely innocent people are victimized as a result, but it is what it is. Bottom line for me, he's neither villain nor hero to me. That is all.

Hope your Mom is ok, Ja.

Thank you, Mike Pence.

Organic uncatalyzed violence is the best violence of all, I'm told.

Recent 911 call on COPS Operator: 911, what is your emergency? Victim: My house has been set ablaze, my dog shot, and I was physically assaulted with a baseball bat. O: Can you describe the violence? V: I feel like I just did. O: Was it organic violence? V: Yes, several of my organs were impacted by the violence. I believe I have a collapsed lung, a bruised liver and kidneys, and several broken ribs; O: Ok, was the violence catalyzed? V: I don't know what that means? O: Me neither, but it's on the sheet. This is Portland breh. V. LOL. It hurts to laugh, and I'm bleeding from the rectum. O: LOL. Ok, we'll get a car out to you in a few hours.

I'm not so certain that relying on the thoughts of these particular relatives is necessarily where you want to get your intel. These Kennedy kids tend to be involved in drownings, sexual assault(s), plane crashes, DWIs, addiction and murder at a robust rate. Where there's smoke, it's not unusual to find a Kennedy.

We can agree to disagree on your composure, and mine if you like. Let's just agree not to be existential threats to each other.

Settle down. Regain your composure. Remember that fools rush in. You'll be fine. I'll be fine. "Existential threat' sounds ominous in a Jack Ryan/Tom Clancy way, but when you use it, it sorta seems like you found a list of big words on your dad's desk and are trying to claim them as your own. Let's be civil.

Listen. You're closed minded and tend to view people in terms of stereotypes. That happens, but you already missed on my feelings of January 6. The courteous move would be to acknowledge that you jumped to the wrong conclusion, but not everyone has the same standards when it comes to false accusations. I have no interest in discussing the things you've identified as 'classics', so agaib, Sect three with a swing and a miss. I think it's pretty common for people like you to paint with a broad brush, and while it doesn't make you a bad person, it makes you look sorta silly.

Of course not, but when you are completely dialed out to reality--as you and S3 perpetually seem to be, it's a symptom of a bigger problem.

You stop that. Scorched earth indeed. Obvious and irrefutable. Time machines, a guy named Rudy and sausage are on the S3 menu today. Strange.

I understand completely the visceral reaction to Trump (though odds were pretty high he was going to be re-elected before that bat bit that monkey in Wuhan). There were countless angles to attack him as a candidate...his business dealing, multiple affairs, general reputation, status as a billionaire, the many outrageous things he said, refusal to release tax returns. When those traditional political attacks didn't work, the dems went full on Joseph McCarthy. Outrageous claims followed. Lies about stolen elections. Lies about illegitimate presidencies. At the outset, I was partially convinced the dems MUST have had something overwhelmingly convincing to knock him out. I could not believe rank and file dem voters would fall for the McCarthy scam yet again. Yet, they did--hook, line and sinker. When the Russia train ran out of steam, they were guided to obstruction, and off they went. It's been interesting to be sure.

You're retired hitting the cruise ship circuit. I think you think you're seeing Pete Rose doing his Charlie Hustle thing. "HE'S RETIRED GRANPA!".

Sect sometimes swings for the fences, pretty certain the ump is blind (orMAGA!) when he's caught looking at strike 3. It happens. Biden became the president the day he was elected. Seems straightforward enough to me, but some people perpetually need a boogeyman to rage at. Hillary Clinton as a beacon of light and decency was pretty funny though, you gotta give him that.

I've made no excuses for anyone storming the Capitol. I've supported prosecuting wrongdoers since day one via the typical process--investigate, arrest, indict, and follow common sense guidelines as it relates to speedy trial(s), jail time, bail and the like. My biggest problem with 1/6, beyond the malcontents assaulting police and wandering through the building, was that no one really seems all that interested in determining how the Capitol Police and Washington generally got rickrolled by a guy in a Toys-R-US Grizzly Bear suit and those with him. Maybe in your haste to label deplorables as sanctioned by your leadership, you got to thinking everyone holds one point of view? As for the actions of democrats, generally, the entire Trump presidency reflected one long action to unseat him, divide (and perhaps, destroy) the country in an attempt to regain power. From bogus Russian conspiracies, to Clinton conspiring with foreign actors hostile to our system, to withholding critical information from the American people, to lies about the election of Trump being illegitimate and stolen, 51 intelligence gurus wrong 51 times, the only moral high ground you hold is in your head. I'm all for going back to a time when the opposition didn't accuse the other of treason and theft of the election...but that wasn't 2016. When the prom queen lost, you people lost your damn minds and your sense of balance. Rest assured though, this is not the first time people in leadership positions convinced the emotionally malleable that actions they would speak out against in the third world make perfect sense to pursue the agenda.

Hogwash, top to bottom. It's an ugly business and democrats generally, and Clinton the lesser specifically, launch exactly that sort of rhetoric on a regular basis. From deplorable and irredeemable to vast right wing conspiracies to 'go'n put y'all in chains' to claims of stolen/ illegitimate elections and Russian hookers and on and on, it's an ugly business across the board.

So, you brought up Clinton in an RFK Jr thread, directed it to me because I thought the headline about RFK Jr was deceptive, with the ultimate goal of outing yourself as a hatemonger because MAGA made you do it? Strong play for a Monday, Hawk. On the other hand, generally, you made the point I've made for 7 years and counting. You're ok with hatred and foolishness as long as the target is other than you, or you support the agenda of the person lobbing the shots. That is a problem in politics today.

You could write a book about Clinton’s hateful and troubling remarks about 40,000,000+/- citizens, most of it centered on how her supporters fervently embraced the notion without question or reflection. Still, my point here was about misleading headlines. Time to move on.

This is just tragic. She holds the lady down with a pillowcase while she;s being brutalized, then stabs her multiple times herself. I saw an interview where she lamented how Manson got in her head. I would be fine with a life sentence being served in full.

That’s the RFK Jr tell. He has to answer for that, as every politician making inflammatory remarks does. I am, and have been, addressing the NY Post tell. In other words, the headline is deceptive and manipulative, and it’s completely unnecessary regardless of how unreasonable the comments were.

But it’s not a characterization, Frank, it’s a declaration. There’s a difference, and it’s unnecessary and manipulative.

Well, now I have to go and respect you for your honesty. That’s something. On the other hand, you present as a craft beer zealot, probably just a couple IPAs away from lopping off the head(s) of non-believers crushing silver bullets. This is a dilemma. Time for Barry Manilow.

The link you linked says this: https://nypost.com/2023/07/15/rfk-jr-says-covid-was-ethnically-targeted-to-spare-jews/ Did he say that? He says there are questions, but he does not declare that Jews were spared. He also talks about ethnic targeting of bioweapons, and that’s hardly a new idea nor particulars controversial, is it? It’s less than a two minute clip and as you’ve suggested, he hangs himself on his comments if one is inclined to see it that way. Let his comments tell the story. Or, preferably, let members of the democrat voting bloc support him in large numbers. I’m serious, I think he appeals to many democrats.

That makes little sense given his polling numbers. I’d think he offers appeal to traditionally vaxx skeptic individuals—many democrats of course, especially when viewing COVID protocol and hypocrisy in the rear view mirror.

If he keeps polling at 20%, I say we listen to what the man has to say and keep him in the race. Btw, the Post story is deliberately misleading. RFK is clear on what he said, crazy or not. I never understand why these publications feel the need to rework and recreate dialogue, and why they are surprised when their credibility suffers.