JimBob2232

http://www.kffl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163280 If this guy is correct, and people over there seem to think he is pretty accurate based on past results, the bills stand to only get a 7th round pick from last season

Yeah, really. Just learn the basics of how the cap works people. Its clearly a rough estimate I gave, but its probably as good as anyone can guestimate right now.

Randy Moss - You're kidding right? Hines Ward -Love Him...but 30 years old.. Roy Williams - Best season, 800 yds 8 TDs... Reggie Wayne - Good but not a #1 Andre Johnson - Stretching for #10 here... I give you your top 7...but Moss/Ward/Williams/Wayne/Johnson...no thanks, I'll take walker. I dont particularly like Chambers/Fitz or Santana either...But I'll accept them as possibly better than walker. Personal Opinion. 2005 Javon Walker : 89 catches / 1382yds 12TDs

I have more than heard of him. Tell me 5 WRs you would rather have (assuming all are healthy...take age into consideration)

He is one of the best young recievers in the game, and he made 500k last year. He held out of camp because he did not want to risk injury and his career for a "measly" 500k salary. At the last minute, he decided to play instead of sit out the season. What happened? Torn ACL. He then fires his agent (Rosenhaus) because he got him into the situation he was in. Taking all that into account, its hard to fault the guy for beeing a little ticked with the way things are going for him. I cant put the "troubled player" label on a guy when I can see so clearly where he is coming from.

If its true...do it now. Pending a physical. They will be lucky to get that because a) he is coming off an injury b) he wants a new contract 2 big problems. But for a 5th rounder, its worth the risk. I would even accept giving up a 3rd for him, but no higher.

Still take the cap hit, I do believe

What...you sayin' im wrong

Davis counts 1.3 mil. Royal about 1.0 mil Tripplett is somewhere around 2-2.5 mil Jerman about 600k So...101010111010....about 5 mil. Still about 11 mil under the cap. This is obviously very rough, and assumes contracts are standard (i.e. minimums 1st year, rising each year) Also does not include LTBE incentives...if there are any

I predict there will be many teams going into next season under the cap. I dont think the drying up of money will be that big of an issue...though for TOs sake, i hope it is. Note: TO has NOT been cut yet...

Yeah...he will make more with uffalo this year than any other team...so im not sure what he is crying about...

Hong Kong & Shanghai Banking Corporation? Oh...HSBC? Oh okay. Thats american.

Oh, please run for president again Mr. Gore! Pretty pretty please!

When did they sign mike williams?

Salary Cap: $102 million per team TV Revenue: $100 million per team So every team gets a check for 100 million dollars. Essentially the team roster is paid for. Everythign else they make on ticket sales, merchandise, sponsorships, thats all gravy. I dont buy for a second that the NFL owners are getting a raw deal here.

1) No need to elaborate on other posters 2) Probably no need to right now. We are in the middle of FA, have a ton of cap room, and need to devote resources to finding and obtaining good talent in the draft. When we get time and/or need money, then its time to talk with NC. Keep in mind, NC's agent is probably in the same boat. 3) Since he didnt get traded last year. I would have to say the likelyhood of him being traded this year are signifigantly better

I have yet to watch a single episode of this show. I have a feeling I would like it. The questin i Have is this : If i start watching it now, will I not know what is going on?

You really need 2 or more teams interested in him. Everyone knows if he is cut its fair game bidding war. Or they can give up a 5th or 6th rounder and basically gain the exclusive right to him. Without competition there wont be a trade.

I'm hearing its somewhere in the vicinity of 6 years 20 mil

Perhaps. Cutting him and trading him have about the same cap ramifications. The only problem with trading him is that someone has to want him and his contract. To a prospective team Pros of Trading -Can cut him at any time and incur no cap penalty Cons of trading -Have to pay him a large salary -Have to give up a pick/player In short, a team might not be willing to trade for EM because they know they can get him cheaper on the open market. This is probably only enough to extract a 2nd day pick out of some team. Plus they will probably want to restruture his contract anyway, which he is apparently unwilling to do for the bills.... Its possible we could hold out for a 5th or 6th rounder for him...but I dont think we get much more than that. Better than cutting him, but not by much.

No, but he is the best available...and with the free cash out there..someone will give him a mint

This is a valid point...I would only counter to say that cutting moulds after next season results in a dead cap hit of only 1.6 mil. We already have 9 mil coming off the books in dead cap space next year. I dont think we should be too concerned with freeing up more space for next year. IMO the real winners this offseason are going to be the teams who dont get into bidding wars and wait for next season or the season after. There are simply too many teams with too much money and too many holes and not enough players to fill them. Supply and Demand.

No, thats why I was intentionally vague. I have heard the salaries reported in various locations, so i assume they are correct. Typically the first year is a very low salary, due to the large signing bonus recieved. Though with the glut of cap space every team has this year, this may be a poor assumption.

I am all for cutting a guy for the reasons you outlined above. However, if Marv felt this was the case, EM would not be on the team right now. IF he gets cut it is strictly for financial reasons at this point. The way I see it we have 3 options 1) Keep EM, go into season with 102 mil cap number 2) Cut EM, go into season with 97 mil cap number 3) Cut EM, spend more money than we should on marginal FAs and go into season with a 102 mil cap number Option 1 is the only one that makes sense. Keep him, plug some FA holes, let other teams go crazy with the contracts this offseason, and wait a year and see whats available next year.

Royal signed a 5 year 10 mil contract w/ 2.5 SB... Cap hit = 500k + base (probably 300k or so) = 1 roughly mil cap hit. Tripplet signed 5 years / 18 mil, 5.5 SB. So his cap hit this year is 1.1mil + base salary for 06. Probably small. Lets say 2 mil cap hit for Tripplett. I have not seen any numbers on Davis, but I cant imagine we paid more for him than tripplet. So lets say 2 mil for him. Thats 5 mil for these 3 guys. I dont think my numbers are far off. And LabattBlue, I understand your argument...but name names here. Tell me who you want, and tell me that getting them is better than keeping EM. I dont think I can make that argument. Front loading a clements contract probably isnt a terrible idea...