John from Riverside
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He probably would have been named head coach here after Marrone punked out.
I actually do not think that is true.....
I dont know who the "1st choice" was that the Pegula's decided not to go with.....but I can not help but feel that they were looking to make a big splash at HC.......Rex isnt just a D genious.....he is a "big fish" coach
I dont think it would have been Pettine.....who is too young.
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next year the 1-2 punch with be Shady and Karlos. This year I think it's still Shady and Fred but Karlos will spell Fred. They want to cut Fred's touches in half. IMO Karlos is Fred's eventual replacement. They are similar styles with how they catch the ball out of the backfield.
Anyone else think Karlos reminds them of Antwain Smith?
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I think the craziest part of the story is that Charlie Sheen, of all people, is the one that put up the $1,000 to make it right. How often is Charlie Sheen considered the voice of reason in a scenario?
From first hand knowledge (from someone I know that works on his sitcom) Charlie Sheen is no angel......probably far worse then McCoy
WHich makes this thing all the more curious
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You know what will be really intersting is if Carlos Williams light it up in camp and preseason........
Not saying his is replacing Shady
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Pettine made the right decision--he knew about the dysfunction in that FO/ownership. Had he stayed another year, it's possible he would be out of a job right now, like Schwartz, i the wake of the Bills recent housecleaning. It's true that the 4 guys ahead of him refused the job in Cleveland, but it was Pettine's best chance at a HC job.
Good point
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Its probably Bryce Brown
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It might be boobie dixon though I really like his versitility
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Maybe because JJ Watt is not a second option...
If a qb plays long enough he is gonna get intercepted
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That was a great play by JJ Watt......dont remember seeing EJ make that type of mistake before that game.
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And yet, EJ has played his best at this level in the situations in which he must rely upon his instincts and just play.
Opinions are like arseholes.
This is a interesting (and true) observation
The coaches that could get EJ to play like that for 4 quarters might just have themselves a franchise QB
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And we know the NFL is always right in their evaluations of Qbs: see Brady in the 6th, Romo undrafted, Russell #1 overall.
I will add that EJ appears to have some pretty good mobility instincts after the ball is snapped.....
In that Texans game EJ avoided pressure several times to keep plays alive without actually taking off downfield by evading pressure (I actually would have like to see him take off more then he did)
He took the snap.....made it to his first read....had pressure on him....moved.......then passed the ball to a 2nd option more then a few times in that game (the game that got him benched curiously)
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I take offense to these parents who seem to think it is ok to let their kid scream like this in public created serious noise pollution..........the sound of this is like fingernails scratching on a chalkboard to me.
I am totally sympathetic to that parent who is doing everthing they can to calm the child down and its not working....but you know those parents....who are so used to allowing this noise pollution to happen that they have become immune to it.....while everyone else......in a theatre.....in a resturant.....somewhere you go to PAY MONEY to do something and have to listen to this for a extended period of time.....
Christ....I WILL BUY YOU A SNACK TO GIVE TO THE CHILD IF THAT WILL SHUT THEM UP.
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The tag is available to us as a last resort
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What really should be looked at here is what will realistically be availalble to us
A franchise QB on the free agent market
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Homegrown talent that has been drafted....traded for....and Mario Williams (who looks like now was a huge get)
One of those is available to us therefore we pay them.....one of them will NEVER be available to us (in free agency)
If we want a franchise QB we have to draft one......
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Let me guess; your walk to school was 10 miles, uphill both ways in 20 foot of snow.
Child abuse is no longer tolerated as discipline in today's day. Our generation understands that. We have evolved.
Imo
And that evolvement has created a whole new set of problems......kids today dont understand the word respect or have lines of right and wrong.
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Ahh the 'Orton sucked too' Manuel defense. One of my personal favorites.
I wasnt aware that was a defense of EJ......more of a comdamnation of Marrone and Hackett
It was not lost on me. It was a nice attempt at bringing the two sides together. I think some people just prefer to argue and have no interest in agreeing on anything. You would think that a stance of "Let's wait and see what happens. I'm certainly rooting for the guy but if I had to guess right now, my guess is that he doesn't develop into a franchise QB" wouldn't be that controversial. It's actually a softer stance than virtually everyone who's not a Bills fan is taking on the guy. But here's to hoping more people start to realize that it's all right around the corner and this will all be over soon.
So I assume that your name will NOT be in the chatbox bitching up a storm that EJ throws a bad pass?
From ESPN's League Insiders rankings of NFL QBs:
"Manuel has no instincts after the ball is snapped," a personnel director said. "He's a great kid, has some talent. But he could not decipher or make quick decisions in college, and I do not see him doing it now."
I think this pretty much sums E.J. up, from what we've all seen, but some refuse to admit. I just have not seen an NFL instinct in him either.
If only the NFL tape on him would agree with these comments......they dont
- He has some overthrows for sure
- He has some throws to the back shoulder that forces a WR to make a adjustment
- He does not always hit the CORRECT reciever
But EJ's tape do not bear these comments out.....the ball is out of his hands pretty quickly.......and he is finding open receivers.......this last year he is even throwing to guys before they are open (saw it more then a few times in my review if the texans game)
Some of his deep throws have been absoutely beautiful......the Watkins throw with Grimes on him comes to mind. A nearly perfect throw.
EJ Manuel is RAW.........but there is talent there. Its just a matter if he is better then the other 2 QBs he is competing with in camp now.
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Exactly which part of the 2014 Bills offense was good in any way besides Orton? The part where Mr Can't Hackett did nothing but call pass plays? The part where Spiller was out injured a lot last year. The part where the brainiac coaching staff used their best offensive weapon in Sammy as a decoy in some games?
The guy did manage to go 7-5 playing behind one of the very worst O line this team has had in years. When was the last time the Bills fielded a QB to go 7-5 with an actual winning record? Well I'll tell ya, the last one was Doug Flutie had in 2008-2009, and before that it was Jim Kelly. Then Orton suffered with morons for coaches who did nothing but mostly call pass plays all game long. When they did call a run play it was predictably right up the middle 65% of the time, and usually stuffed at the line. Stating that the Bills also lacked a solid run game to support the QB most of the season as the coaches didn't even try to build an effective running attack after week three. Week after week it was usually 40+ passes, and around 20 rushes every game.
Reading over this thread I see fans complaining about the bad O line, the WR's dropping balls and making the wrong reads, the RB's having no holes with Spiller hurt most of the year, and the crappy TE who couldn't block a lick. Yet Orton managed to gain a winning record with that craptastic supporting cast that would have probably gotten EJ killed. That 2014 Bills offensive line ranked dead last in the run game at 32nd, and 23rd in pass blocking mostly because Orton managed to get the ball out before he was sacked.
Perhaps that turtle in the shell comment was referring to Orton sliding so he wouldn't take a hit, and I don't hold that against him when I consider who was blocking for him. Stop and reflect on exactly what Orton was dealing with all around him last year.
Me personally, I would love to see Orton back in a Bills uni with a slightly better line, an improved WR / RB corps, and a decent TE. Plus the better offensive play calling, and game planning would have a major impact for the upcoming season. I just don't have faith that EJ will be given the proper supporting line to help him properly develop this season. Like I said earlier I don't think the Bills did enough this off season to bolster the weakest area of the tam.
I realize we would all like to put this game out of our memories but it still stings me when I think that a playoff berth was on the line for this game. In week 16 at Oakland and against a 2-12 team with a Raiders defense ranked 32nd in points allowed, 21st in yards.
To me it wasn't so much about Khalil Mack being the next Lawrence Taylor as it was that the Bills coaching staff being so inept that they had no answer for helping to block him, or anyone else for that matter. Mack only had 4 measly sacks all season, and one against Buffalo. Scrub Raider DT's looking like Reggie White against that Bills interior line, and Mack ate Henderson for lunch that day. #66 should'n't have even been on the field playing like that. JMO
Your post was a good one....even thought it was made over a typo on my part....when Orton realized that the offense was NOT going to be good.
I will say this....if our D was even middle of the pack we do not achieve last years record.......our offense was putrid....Orton after his first two games was ALSO putrid
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Here's my take on this debate...
The season will answer many of our questions.
All the name calling supporting one position or the other isn't helpful or polite. It doesn't persuade anyone and at this point I don't think anyone's changing their mind until the season gets underway.
Regardless of what we think the likelihood of EJ developing into a franchise QB, we should all support the guy as long as he dons a Bills uni every Sunday.
Hondo.....
You are of course right....
Bugs the crap out of me cuz I will see these same screen names int he chat box in about a month B word B word B word
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Abandoning EJ early in the season was the most competent thing Marrone did while he was here.
It's amazing to see people re-write history and/or just forget ... that one decision set the tone for us going on to have a "successful" season (by our standards).
Probably would have been picking top 5 in this draft had it not been for our D......just something to consider
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Isnt this a investment that will pay for itself (and then some) over time?
Isnt that the point?
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Up until the interception, EJ was a mixed bag, not great but not certainly the worst performance by an NFL QB as it was described by some in this board, not even close.
I didn't think Watt was intentionally going at EJ's knees, though some of those hits could have seriously injured him.
We reached the red zone three times and we failed to throw a pass at the endzone in all three trips there. In the last trip, EJ throws the pick 6, an intended quick pass to Fred in the flat where we didn't even try to chip or slow Watt down to clear a passing lane.
After the int, EJ went into a funk, until he threw the long pass to MIke Williams to get back into the game. After that, a series going 3 and out and the int that sealed the game.
As I said earlier in this thread, the offense was bad overall, couldn't stop Watt, like EJ, Watkins was bad on this one and Fred is amazing. Despite gaining 60 yards, CJ Spiller missed some easy holes by trying to bounce outside.
Its pretty much what I saw
I think what happened next was Marrone panicked and benched EJ......thinking that Orton's veteran presence was going to fix the problem that he and his own ineptitude were creating......Orton could not over come in and frankly started playing WORSE then EJ becuase EJ prolonged plays with his athletisism and Orton has NO athlete him him at all.......
We missed an opportunity there to see if EJ is the man.....and it rolled over into this year.
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The shark was just trying to give him a fist bump for his excellent surfing!
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That is good.
I was worried that talking horse was trying to nose his way in there.
ewwww
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where can i find that on the internet
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Eh, Orton became the same mediocre at best player he was for 10 years. He regressed to the norm.
I will tell you what I miss.....
I miss that 1st year EJ Manuel that would try to make a play with his athletic ability when there was nothing anywhere else to be had.....
and yes..that is the same QB that took the hit to the knee in the Browns game....but at least he played with some passion.
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In regards to EJ in his first two years. The QB doesn't play in a vacuum, and he really is only as good as the team, players / coaching staff around him as a rookie. I for one am grateful to Doug Moron for benching EJ after week 4 in his second year, and thus allowing him to survive the season by not playing behind that 30th ranked horrid line.
I look back at that 2014 season and see that in those first two games when the offense handed off 33 times vs 22 & 26 passes respectively while winning both games. Then asking EJ to attempt 40 passes vs 22 runs against the Chargers in the next game was downright stupid. Then 44 pass attempts against Houston was throwing EJ right into the teeth of that Texans pass rush. Which btw was about the only thing that Houston defense was good at, at that point.
Kyle Orton wasn't nearly as bad as so many make him out to be, and I can see why he bolted for the door as the season ended. Very grateful for that too, as it probably helped Marrone in his decision to quit the Bills. Although, if Kyle Orton had returned I could envision him playing much, much better with this years offensive improvements, RB's, WR's, O line players, coaches.
I think most of the fan base now considers Marrone and his offensive coaching staff thoroughly inept, and much of the credit of that 9-7 season should go to Schwartz / Orton.
With only 14 game starts in two years for EJ which is not even a full single season, and I can see him still being in the process of developing into an NFL QB. IE growing pains. I just can't help but ask if this years off season moves did enough to fortify the line that was the weakest area of last years team.
I dont like how Orton started playing it safe when he realized the bills offense was gonna be good....he totally went into a turtle shell.
Dont want him back.
Well, that would be cherry picking, if that's what the author was saying, but it wasn't. You seem like a pretty reasonable guy, so I'm guessing you either misread the article, or stopped reading after the intro, and (wrongly) assumed that the author was basing everything off the first 2 games of 2013. He actually bases it off a lot of things, but one of the most significant is that Manuel has consistently been good on first down, even when only allowed to throw 30% of the time.
2013:
2014:
I've watched the same EJ Manuel as you have the last 2 years. He's shaky and inconsistent, but even though he hasn't been very good overall, he has been pretty good on first down. If he'd had competent playcalling the last 2 years, he could've still been the same shaky guy, still miss open receivers too often, but nevertheless moved the ball much more effectively. Or maybe not. 74 passes is not a very large sample size. But it's all we have so far, and at least the early returns on first-down passing are good. And frankly, it syncs up with the eye test as well - for me, anyway. Just going from impressions I've gotten while watching the games, Manuel's seemed to be most effective when the D has to respect the threat of the run, and even better on play action. When the D knows he has to pass (like on third and long), he's usually been pretty bad.
This is mostly every QB in the league outside of about 5 of them.
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Messing with the little blind kids?
Did they really have to go there?....
By the way....that doctor is hot as *#($*
Student blows $90K College fund gift left by grandparents.
in Off the Wall Archives
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As someone who works in academics.....
- I told both of my kids.....if you are seriously considering going onto college then you need to show it in your High School grades or I wont take you seriously......your junior and senior year. And you also better have an idea of WHAT you want to major in. If you DONT know what you want then I suggest a nursing program, or going to technical school while you figure it out (dealing school was strongly pushed because you can work a job like that....make good money....and keep gong to school if you want)
- My son originally was going to go to school on a D1 scholarship but tore up his knee his senior year.......so he went a different route.....got his personal trainer certification......got his massage therapist license.....and work a couple of different jobs in those areas make excellent money (I also paid for him to go to dealing school.....which he may or may not use but considerably less then going to a 4 year BS degree college).....so while his friends going to school were broke because their parents were shelling every penny they had into their college tuition.....my son was driving around in a new car and he was paying for himself and always had money in his pocket.......now he had decided to go back to school and is going to try to walk on at Oregon. He already has a job as a personal trainer out there and the only thing I cover on him is his insurance through my job.
- My daughter will be going to dealing school as soon as she is old enough and continues to work to pursue her own entertainment industry interests........I also did not push her to go to college.
- Then you have kids like this who blow through 90K of money and make excuses as to why it did not turn into a degree........
- I work with graduate students at my university and it is COMMON for the students after being admitted to either be a teaching assistant or a graduate student researcher to work their way through college.....a job like that gives them a small live on salary and pays the majority of their school fees.
Then you have the girl that doesnt want to work in the cafeteria to pay her way through college. Send her my we she is in bad need of a student advisor to tell her whats up.