Tortured Soul

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where did evans catch it? nice throw? nice catch?

It says in the piece Donahoe got a one-to-two year extension. Weren't preseason reports something like a five-year extension? Gaughan seems to be convinced that Moulds is on his way out, much more convinced of that than Big Mike's release. I'd really want to hear about some of the instances where Modrak and Donahoe disgareed.

where did Denver get a second first rounder from?

I think we sort of came to consensus a while ago that it was McGee. Then the question became how good a pick was McGee?

A far cry from Hardy Nickerson and Brandon Lloyd I'm not going to argue that we should have probowlers from those rounds - good teams like the Colts come up with a Robert Mathis or a Cato June in those rounds - but a quick look through those lists came up with about 60+ starters. You're right, this alone would not be enough to demand Donahoe's head. It's just another in the long list of complaints. Wanna rehash those?

Where were those moves for us? We haven't gotten anything past the fourth round.

I didn't think they were irrelevant, but I didn't see the replay that many times. McGee by virtue of his being the only starter to come from Day 2 of the draft.

Yeah, I didn't really understand that figure either. I think, though, the point stands that filling up an NFL stadium really isn't that difficult.

Them ain't lies; them's scoops!

Sorry, I meant average income and economic factors are relatively unimportant.

True, but it's only reasonable to expect that the Bills' luxury seats, priced by the same criteria as the rest of the tickets, would also be significantly lower than a New England or a Jets. Thanks, Kzoo, for the research. The study shows nothing generates income like winning. It's surprising to read that market price toleration - the spending pwer of Buffalo vs. NYC is relatively unimportant. That flies in the face of the big market/small market argument. In the Forbes study, I'm not sure what operating income is, but if that is net revenue, then the Bills rank a respectable 13th, and I'll give Donahoe his due for that. (If it's something else, then ignore the above.) So, he may be a good person to retain the team president title, but not the GM title. We need someone who can win.

Absolutely right - but I don't credit TD with building that stadium more than 25 years ago. More importantly, and maybe Kzoo can help find the numbers on this one, the Bills have the lowest ticket prices in the league - mainly because this team hasn't been good enough to charge more. So, for example, if the average Bills game has 72,000 fans paying $40 a piece and the average Patriots game has 68,000 fans paying $60 a piece, then the Patriots are making a ton more money despite having less fans. low ticket prices are good for fans and bad for the argument that TD lines RW's pockets with cash. My other point is that just about every NFL franchsie - 27 to be exact - fills its stadium to 92.% of capacity or above, with 12 at 100% of capacity. Only the real dregs of the league don't make it to 90% - Buffalo, Jacksonville, Oakland, New Orleans, and Arizona. Arizona is getting a new stadium, New Orleans' plight is well-documented, and Oakland and Jacksonville are on the short list of NFL franchises likeky to move. Is that really what TD has reduced us to?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/attendance?s..._perc&year=2005 I guess it fell to 28th last Sunday.

A couple of issues. First, this makes JP look even worse than the system already in place. Second, it's not that once a pass is either caught or not a QB has no bearing on it, it's once it leaves his hands. And how do you take into account a quarterback that's throwing to a Chad Johnson or a Hines Ward vs. a QB who throws whoever the Baltimore receivers are? I think there is only so much statistics can do in football before you need to say that the only way to compare how good players are is by watching them.

I looked at Bledsoe's attempts per sack from last year and this year. Last year, it was 1for every 13.2 attempts; now, it is one for every 15 atempts, basically straddling the leaue average. And yet...

The expectation of winning has long since dissipated. Tom has filled this stadium to the 27th highest capacity, according to ESPN's attendance page. There is no substitute for winning. Win and the seats will be filled.

I didn't remember Millen wanted to hire him. Oh, the humanity.

I'll bet you all the money in my wallet vs. all the money in yours that TD never knew about the sign. And I think from some of the things TD has said that he is very realistic about his future here, as opposed to Millen.

The credit t othe club seat sales goes to Butler and Flutie. The best way to get people to the games is to win - generating "excitement" is a distant second - and he hasn't done that. According to ESPN's attendance page, the Bills are 27th in percent of capacity at 89%. The odds of the Bills moving are smaller than a lot of people think. There are many markets out there roughly on par with Buffalo - Raleigh, Portland, San Antonio, etc. that would have to shell out half a billion dollars for a new stadium. And we saw Tags' reaction to SA. There will always be the elephant of Los Angeles, but there is a lot of speculation that the NFL wants to keep that market free so that teams can extort money out of their cities. And for the original post, this year in isolation would be fine as a rebuilding year (but it would be nice to see young players get more time if that's the case. Lets see Geisinger and Preston, for example). But the fact that it comes after five other rebuilding years - that's the source of frustration.

They did this when Peters wore 86.

what are the odds that Hutch or Bentley hit the open market?

Those you mentioned have the reputation of being the worst. I've been to about eight, but when I went to Green Bay for the Bills game in 02, one fan gave me gloves and another a scarf because they saw I didn't have my own.

Totally agree. I didn't believe it when I read it either, though, but in Friday's NY Times, it said Willis was 9th in rec yards by RB's, and some of the guys ahead of him were 3rd down types, not feature backs. But I agree that he hasn't proved to be a top ten back, let alone top.