Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

It would take alot more than that to get the 22nd pick. Draft picks a year out are valued one round lower, so assuming you're right and it is a top 10 pick. That would be the equivalent of a top 10 pick in the 2nd round. So essentially you're trading a top 10 2nd rounder for the 22nd pick in the 1st round. Be great if Denver said OK. After looking at the draft pick value chart, you likely would have to throw in this years 3rd rounder to even it out.

When Ralph dies, I'm going to look her up! Rich and pretty hot looking! And I think could out live her, so then when she dies, I could afford a younger and hotter model. And when she kills me, who cares!

Agreed. It also is best for the team too if he doesn't sign it as that allows the Bills to pull it at any time if they wanted to. Once it's signed, the team is stuck. Think that happened a few years back, was it with Orlando Pace? Surprised the team and signed which forced team to cut players to get under that cap. I realize we're not exactly in that situation, as we can afford the $5.7 mil. Players don't like attending all these mini camps either. Even though they are voluntary, if he signs the tender, he's more obligated to attend as there's one less excuse. He also takes a chance signing the tender if he were to get hurt afterwards, goodbye to any huge deals the next year. So doesn't worry me at all, unless behind the scenes, he's still asking for huge numbers. He likley will sign a long term deal, but not before July or so. Bill's front office is probably more focused on draft these days anyway. Don't the Bill's also have a bunch of FA signings for next year? Could be they are stock piling money for then. You may see a few of these guys sign in the fall ahead for next season.

Correction, we'd be trading out first for the equivelant of two of another teams 2nd round picks. However the values shown in my post are correct, so still a terrible trade.

According the draft value experts a pick in the following years draft is valued at one round lower so basically a teams 1st round in 07 has the value of a 2nd rounder. Therefore we'd be trading our 1st and 2nd rounder for another teams 2nd rounder. No way!! Our 8th pick is worth 1400 points. Lets assume the team we trade with is in the middle of the round both years, therefore their 2nd round is worth 440 points. The 07 1st rounder would also then only be worth 440 since it s for a year out. So we're giving up 1400 points for 880 in return! Even if it were Houston with the 1st pick in round 2, it's only worth 580, so still way short. They'd need to throw in much more, about another 500 points worth of picks. I just added it up, if they gave us every pick they had in round 2 thru 7, plus next years 1st rounder, assuming they pick in middle of the round, it still wouldn't add up to 1400 points. The only way it would equal is if it were one of the top six picking teams.

I'm sure the Bills had a good feel for what they could get for Moulds prior to telling him to go out and look for someone wiiling to trade with. For all we know, the Bills' felt they could only get a 5th for him, so supposedly they were asking for a 4th, watch teams offer a 6th; figuring they could then settle for a 5th. When you look at the entire NFL, there a few big trades compared to other sports. Most either involve situations like Moulds where a player wants out for whatever reason, and you take what you can get as the other option is releasing him. The other situation is occasionaly you'll get a young player in the early cap friendly years of his contract that for whatever reason quickly wore out his welcome with a team. In that situation, you usually can get more as the player is still young, and has a cap friendly contract that you can live with. Two examples of that were Bledsoe and Price. In both cases teams were willing to give up more to be the exclusive bidder as they were getting into a good financial deal for a at least a couple of years. (actually with PP, we may have kept him anyway) Moulds isn't young and has a contract that had to be redone by team signing, so usually not going to give up much for player.

Nope, not hte way it works. The Bills will still take a cap hit for his un-amortized signiong bonus which I believe is around $5 mil. So we'll still have a $5 mil cap hit this year for Moulds.

Young just seems to be the perfect canadate to be a college wonder an a bust in the pro's. He hasa somewhat unconventional deliverey, uses his legs alot. Those things can work great in college and the guy can be labeled a winner. But it just doesn't cut it in the NFL.

I've been saying all along, you don't get rid of JP until you are certain as to what you have. If you're already certain he's no good, then his best trade value would be now, since if he's not any good, he will end up being the 3rd string and then his value decreases. Now, people (other teams) haven't seen enough of him to say for certain he's never gonna be any good. That being said, this whole thing could be nothing but rumors and the Bill's have no intent to trade him. But if they do, then I'd have to believe there are alot more locker room issues with him than anything else as 8 games insn't enough to determine if he can physically and mentally compete in the NFL. And by trading him now, you can try to convice other teams it is more of a thing of "not being Marv's guy" and that's why you're dumping him. The longer it waits the less his value would be.

Three years ago we had enough money to sign Milloy in September. I think Moulds will be treaded after the draft for a pick in 07. Since next years, may even get a 3rd rounder out of it.

I think you might see happen to Moulds what happened to Henry last year. We end up right after the draft trading him for a pick next year. Up till the draft, the benefit goes to the buyers as the Bills are working against a deadline and would want to get a pick for him so in theory might take less. After the draft, then the Bills can wait everyone out, so then may get a little higher pick in return.

Plus Beldsoe wasin in the early cap friendly years of his contract. We didn't have to pay the bonus and his base salary first couple of years was reasonable.

Remember they got a third round for Henry for the following year. Typically a draft pick one year out is looked at as one round lower, so essentially was the same as getting a 4th rounder for Henry. Henry also had a reasonable contract which benefited both the team getting him, and was reasonable for the Bills to keep if a deal wasn't worked out. A 1st rounder would be great, but I doubt it will happen.

I think it's great too. Can watch the early game and be done by 10:00. As someone else stated, likely 10:15 game will involve west coast teams. It's like college basketball Big Monday. Last game starts at midnight. Doubt many people on east coast watch it.

You have friends with eyes that are saying what you want to hear, so therefore they know what they're talking about. For every person who supposedly know what they're talking about, there's another person who states as I believe, "we don't know what we have in JP. 8 games isn't enough to tell!" The odds are in your favor of being right as over 50% of top name QB's never suceed in the NFL. There are 32 teams in the NFL and probably about a dozen top shelf QB's. Considering how hard it is to find one, you don't want to give up on one before you're certain. People are critizing the Bills for not going after Bree's. Funny though how he totally sucked his first two years so bad that San Diago used another #1 pick on a QB. So here you have all the people in their front office couldn't tell that Bree's was going to improve, but you and your friends are alot smarter and can tell over even less time that JP won't succeed. And that was only after SD other first round failure Ryan Leaf. So in less than ten years they've used 3 1st round picks on QB's and next year, they may be worse off than they were last year with a total unknown in Rivers. The article quotes: "there’s a lot more Jim Druckenmiller’s roaming the league than Jim Kelly’s" Well there also are alot more first round flops than Jim Kelly's so who's to say any of those three will be any good. In fact I'll guarentee of those three, Leinhart, Young, Cutler, at least one of them will be a failure. The problem is today, you just don't know which one. For every person stating the Bill's should take Young, someone else states how he's a flop waiting to happen.

Rather than go to 18 games, you first might see them go to two bye weeks to give an extra week of TV $$. If I recall the ydid that for one year.

Agreed we need a good beer drinking QB with some meat on his bones. And wash those beers down with some wings.

Well actually here in Buffalo it's been the opposite. We've gone through four QB's in the past five years, RJ, DB JP, & KH In all the cases, it was determined the QB was no good and we'd go to the next guy and the problem would be solved. Well we still seem to have the same problem. So maybe the problem is the line. I think that needs to be addressed first. Having said that, I'm not too concerned where we are right now on the line. Sounds like this new center is an improvment over TT. So inside you have CV, Fowler and Preston. I think that's better than TT and BA last year. I also think JP (the lineman not the QB) will be better with a year under his belt. (and that is a big belt to fill) Particularlly I think he needs to improve his run blocking quite a bit. But there's promise and the only way for him to improve is to play him. There really weren't any stud LT out there to begin with so I'm OK with going with MG there for one more year and draft a LT in the second round. I've heard/read this years draft doesn't have much 1st round off line players, but a number of good ones should be there in Rnd 2. So go with MG for one year and let this guy step in at LT in 07. I also would still keep looking for maybe a better guard than DP if he's out there as a free agent. I also would rather sign a guard rather than a tackle as typically the guard will come cheaper. But befoe I'd spend that money, I'd want to make sure the person truely is a step up from what Preston might give us.

No wonderthe Bills signed him. He'll be a natural here! Hopefully that will improve??

From what I've heard/read, besdies Fergerson, there isn't any first round tackles in the draft, so I'd prefer the Bills take a tackle in the 2nd round, let him sit and watch his rookie year, and start Gandy. He didn't do terrible there last year. Then sign a good quality FA guard or center. To me that makes more sense as a guard comes alot cheaper than a tackle. Then inside have CV, Preston and FA and DP plays whichever position FA doesn't play since he can play guard or center. The other tackle is still JP

Thats true, but the problem in the NFL is there are 32 teams and about a dozen top QB's. So you need to hang on to someone a little longer at the QB position to make sure they don't come on late as the alternatives are limited. As was pointed out Brees was a total bust after two years, and he played more. At least this new guy, Nall is it? also has upside. With Holcombe he's as good as he's ever going to be. He's smart, but no arm. JP needs to make better decisions, but it's tough to do whe nrunning for your life.

Well the other part of it do these guys want to go back there old team? Thats was what happened with Spikes. Cinncy could have matched the offer, but Spikes asked them not to. (probably kicking himself fro that now)

So using your logic, if I had a million dollers in the bank and someone wanted to charge me $900,000 to mow it, I should do it no questions asked cause I have the money and can afford it. Whether I'm getting good value doesn't matter. Yes the Bill's no question can afford to cut JP, but does it make sense to take a $3 mil cap hit or to keep him and pay him his $1.5 mil contract? If you keep making moves, giving up on players prematurely, and taking on their cap hits, you'll never get anyplace. It's very easy to say JP is a bust, as on average 2 out of every 3 QB's fail, so the odds are in your favor if you state he'll fail. It really is funny how people said the Bill''s should have gone after Brees, the same guy who was a total flop his first two years. Menawhile We have people who know JP is a failure after 8 games.

Did they say anything about Boston to Rochester?? I had heard a few months back that was als orumored to be a new route. Maybe they decided on Buffalo instead??

But if Moulds is willing to accept less, then again why not just wait for the Bills to dump him and sign him for whatever amoount you were going to renegotiate to and be done with it?? The only reason I could see if it were some "off beat" team that Moulds likely wouldn't go to as a FA, so by trading for, eliminate that issue. Maybe a Cinnci?? But again if Mould doesn't really to go there, he can refuse to redo the contact. So again, don't see much a reason for a team to trade for him?? Couple that with the post stating the Bill's just cut Moulds, may make this treat obsolete in less than an hour. But was fun while it lasted.