Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

I agree with you completly. I have no idea if Leinnart will be the best of the three in 5 years so I pass! Tthe problem is other than you THINK Leinnart will be the best, you really have no idea either. You mention how QB's would would have been top 10 as juniors and stayed for their seniopr year always suceeded. Can you give a list of names? And unless it's a pretty long list, then statisically it's not valid. Did they als ocome out of such a strong program as USC. With a Reggie Bush in the backfield and some of the receivers he's had over the years, it's not hard to look good. I find your comments about Brady's arm strength surprising as I've rarely heard that comment about him. On the other hand College Qb's with suspect arm strength rarely if ever succeed in the NFL. The success rate of college QB's in the NFl is low to begin with and the sucess rate of ones with suspect arm strength is even worse. I have no idea how good Losman will be, but two things I am confident in, his arm strength won't be his probelm and you can't make a judgement after 8 games. The odds are in your favor of being right about JP as there are many more failures than sucesses at QB.

Well I also wonder how we were supposed to get Fergeson in the first with the 8th pick? Did we trade up? I don't notice any other picks missing that we gave up to get him. To move up that high we would have to have given up alot, likely 1st, 2nd and one of the 3rds. Or maybe he was figuring on trading the Jets or Tenn 1st for our 8th overall and Benny Anderson. That would have done it!

We did sign a center and a guard who both started last year. Our bigest problem last year was in the middle, which we did address. Whether it's sucessful or not, who knows, but you wouldn't know any better by drafting a rookie either. Gandy played decent, so I'm ok with either taking a 4th round OT and grooming him for next year, or pick up a free agent OT next year if Gandy does struggle.

Direct TV channel 627 MSG showed the game, infact just programed the TIVO for Wednesdays game

Well too late now, but the game was on channel 627 on DTV Hell of a game!

I'm watching it in Rochester on direct TV #627 MSG

Yeah but Junkin was picked prior to the Bill's selection, s oMarv really didn't have a decision trhere and was Reggie Rogers in the 87 draft?

The detail on this picture really amazes me! Arial Shot

It's great from Buffalo's standpoint, but don't see it as an advantage to another team. As the draft is played out, all of sudden, they (other team/trade partner) may be able to get a better deal trading up to lets say # 6 as whomever #6 was targeting gets taken. So they are willing to trade down and take less in return. Or the opposite. Lets assume both Young and Cutler are available at #8. Whomever the Bills trade partner was, could have instead then only needed to trade up to #9 or maybe even #10 and given up less in return to only have to move up to say #10. Or something else happens totally unexpectedly that makes the Bills want to stay at #8, but now are locked into a trade. So from perspective of other team, I doubt anyone would ever make the trade ahead. The Bills may talk with people and agree on deals, but don't see advantages in making even tentative deals prior to draft as too much can change.

Don't think it's ever been carried in the past. WHAM may break in with some updates.

I'll sleep better! My wife thinks the draft is the most incredible stupid thing on TV. Hope she doesn't ever have me make a choice!

So does that mean no ESPN? The day 1 coverage sounds fine, but ESPN I/II had more day two coverage than three hours!

It would take alot more than that to get the 22nd pick. Draft picks a year out are valued one round lower, so assuming you're right and it is a top 10 pick. That would be the equivalent of a top 10 pick in the 2nd round. So essentially you're trading a top 10 2nd rounder for the 22nd pick in the 1st round. Be great if Denver said OK. After looking at the draft pick value chart, you likely would have to throw in this years 3rd rounder to even it out.

When Ralph dies, I'm going to look her up! Rich and pretty hot looking! And I think could out live her, so then when she dies, I could afford a younger and hotter model. And when she kills me, who cares!

Agreed. It also is best for the team too if he doesn't sign it as that allows the Bills to pull it at any time if they wanted to. Once it's signed, the team is stuck. Think that happened a few years back, was it with Orlando Pace? Surprised the team and signed which forced team to cut players to get under that cap. I realize we're not exactly in that situation, as we can afford the $5.7 mil. Players don't like attending all these mini camps either. Even though they are voluntary, if he signs the tender, he's more obligated to attend as there's one less excuse. He also takes a chance signing the tender if he were to get hurt afterwards, goodbye to any huge deals the next year. So doesn't worry me at all, unless behind the scenes, he's still asking for huge numbers. He likley will sign a long term deal, but not before July or so. Bill's front office is probably more focused on draft these days anyway. Don't the Bill's also have a bunch of FA signings for next year? Could be they are stock piling money for then. You may see a few of these guys sign in the fall ahead for next season.

Correction, we'd be trading out first for the equivelant of two of another teams 2nd round picks. However the values shown in my post are correct, so still a terrible trade.

According the draft value experts a pick in the following years draft is valued at one round lower so basically a teams 1st round in 07 has the value of a 2nd rounder. Therefore we'd be trading our 1st and 2nd rounder for another teams 2nd rounder. No way!! Our 8th pick is worth 1400 points. Lets assume the team we trade with is in the middle of the round both years, therefore their 2nd round is worth 440 points. The 07 1st rounder would also then only be worth 440 since it s for a year out. So we're giving up 1400 points for 880 in return! Even if it were Houston with the 1st pick in round 2, it's only worth 580, so still way short. They'd need to throw in much more, about another 500 points worth of picks. I just added it up, if they gave us every pick they had in round 2 thru 7, plus next years 1st rounder, assuming they pick in middle of the round, it still wouldn't add up to 1400 points. The only way it would equal is if it were one of the top six picking teams.

I'm sure the Bills had a good feel for what they could get for Moulds prior to telling him to go out and look for someone wiiling to trade with. For all we know, the Bills' felt they could only get a 5th for him, so supposedly they were asking for a 4th, watch teams offer a 6th; figuring they could then settle for a 5th. When you look at the entire NFL, there a few big trades compared to other sports. Most either involve situations like Moulds where a player wants out for whatever reason, and you take what you can get as the other option is releasing him. The other situation is occasionaly you'll get a young player in the early cap friendly years of his contract that for whatever reason quickly wore out his welcome with a team. In that situation, you usually can get more as the player is still young, and has a cap friendly contract that you can live with. Two examples of that were Bledsoe and Price. In both cases teams were willing to give up more to be the exclusive bidder as they were getting into a good financial deal for a at least a couple of years. (actually with PP, we may have kept him anyway) Moulds isn't young and has a contract that had to be redone by team signing, so usually not going to give up much for player.

Nope, not hte way it works. The Bills will still take a cap hit for his un-amortized signiong bonus which I believe is around $5 mil. So we'll still have a $5 mil cap hit this year for Moulds.

Young just seems to be the perfect canadate to be a college wonder an a bust in the pro's. He hasa somewhat unconventional deliverey, uses his legs alot. Those things can work great in college and the guy can be labeled a winner. But it just doesn't cut it in the NFL.

I've been saying all along, you don't get rid of JP until you are certain as to what you have. If you're already certain he's no good, then his best trade value would be now, since if he's not any good, he will end up being the 3rd string and then his value decreases. Now, people (other teams) haven't seen enough of him to say for certain he's never gonna be any good. That being said, this whole thing could be nothing but rumors and the Bill's have no intent to trade him. But if they do, then I'd have to believe there are alot more locker room issues with him than anything else as 8 games insn't enough to determine if he can physically and mentally compete in the NFL. And by trading him now, you can try to convice other teams it is more of a thing of "not being Marv's guy" and that's why you're dumping him. The longer it waits the less his value would be.

Three years ago we had enough money to sign Milloy in September. I think Moulds will be treaded after the draft for a pick in 07. Since next years, may even get a 3rd rounder out of it.

I think you might see happen to Moulds what happened to Henry last year. We end up right after the draft trading him for a pick next year. Up till the draft, the benefit goes to the buyers as the Bills are working against a deadline and would want to get a pick for him so in theory might take less. After the draft, then the Bills can wait everyone out, so then may get a little higher pick in return.

Plus Beldsoe wasin in the early cap friendly years of his contract. We didn't have to pay the bonus and his base salary first couple of years was reasonable.

Remember they got a third round for Henry for the following year. Typically a draft pick one year out is looked at as one round lower, so essentially was the same as getting a 4th rounder for Henry. Henry also had a reasonable contract which benefited both the team getting him, and was reasonable for the Bills to keep if a deal wasn't worked out. A 1st rounder would be great, but I doubt it will happen.