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I would disagree with this entire statement. A criminal record is certainly a very big deal in today's society. A civil suit is certainly much less of a deal. What, so ML can't get car insurance? Big judgement against him or the other passengers...declare bankruptcy if you can't pay it. Its discharged. A criminal record...never goes away.

I sprung for the Tower Suite, because I figured I wouldn't be back for a while. It is the turret room, overlooking the whole grounds. Gorgeous and romantic. We were there for 2 nites and it wasn't so bad, price-wise.

Of course it could...there are only 3-4 people alive who know the identity of the driver. They were all in ML's car. There is NO CASE without cooperation. There are no reliable witnesses, forensic evidence will not yield much if anything. They keep their mouths shut (as you should do in a criminal case), and there is absolutely NO CASE.

Why? The guy gave us our 2nd appearance in the SC Finals and a shot to win it. I lived in Buffalo during 97-00, it was a very exciting time for the Sabres, and Hasek made it possible. The guy was all world, Hart/Vezina Trophy winner. He forced his way out, but was merely a shell of his former Dominator self by that time. He wanted to win and our mgmt was headed way downhill. Kind of like Ray Bourque with Colorado. I have no problems with the guy. Also, I know he was a lousy drunk and BPD had someone follow him and give him rides home, but so what. He did a lot of good for the city and the community (via Hasek's hereos). If there is something I don't know, please enlighten me (and no, not with unsubstantiated rumors of Ted Nolan's wife). But it seems to me that the guy was solid all the way around and a very good Sabre.

Call it what you will. I'm only commenting on the legal proceedings. I will withhold my own personal judgement until I know all the facts (which may be never).

Who would have thunk it....witnesses outside of a bar at 3 AM, likely having imbibed at least one alcoholic beverage, on a dark corner of Delaware and Chippewa, looking at a tinted-window SUV making a left hand turn onto Delaware, could not credibly identify the driver??? I'm shocked...shocked, I say.... The ONLY ones who know the driver's identity, and can testify to it (ie not hearsay) are the individuals who were in the vehicle (unless one or more was passed out drunk). If they all shut their mouths, there is NO case.

Belhurst Castle in the Finger Lakes. 1 hour away from Rochester. Great local wine, great food and a real nice place. Took my wife (then g/f) there for a weekend. It was terrific. http://www.belhurst.com/

Touche Hogboy...nice job.

And you *know* this because you were there? Or have you been jumping to conclusions again....

LOL Where are you Simon & Lori? Help us...stop the lunacy!!

Seriously people...ever hear of presumed innocent? Some of you jokers are ready to lock him up off a press report and conference? Are you f---- kidding? And you wonder how the Duke lacrosse rape charge got so out of hand. Don't you f----- people learn from your mistakes? Let me start... And you know this how? Because his car was accused of something? Again, because his car was accused of something? Nothing wrong with what ML is doing right now. There is procedure, you don't win this kind of case in the court of public opinion and generally can only make it worse for yourself (see Clemens, Roger). The obligation rests with the State to prove ML's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. ML could never speak about this incident again in his life. Changes nothing. I'll answer in order... 1- She lay there for about 15 min. The corner of Delaware and Chippewa is one of the busiest in the city at 3 AM. Cops would have been there within seconds if some one had called. 2- I passed one of those Porsche Cayennes today, on Water street in NYC. Dude was sitting at a lioght, so as I crossed the street, I said nice tint job, did it come like that? He says, yeah. Guess what, noone saw ML driving when that girl was hit. Witnesses may have seen ML climb into the driver's side of that car, but at 4 AM, with the glare from the streetlights (trust me, I know this corner), and the tint on the Cayenne, noone saw him driving. There is almost no angle possible for someone to be positioned and make a positive ID on the driver from anything less than 50 feet. Ain't gonna happen. 3- Not that night, but I've been on that corner many nights. There are several bars and Spot Coffee over there. 4- No, I don't. But I want to see justice served. If he is found guilty by a jury of his peers, then, by all means, sentence him and let him pay his debt to society (and the girl). If he is found not guilty, then everyone in this friggin thread better enjoy their crow. Ridiculous. I'm real glad some of you jokers were not around when the Constitution was drafted. God help us all.

Re-read my post. I don't think any eyewitness at 4 AM on Chippewa Street can positively identify ML as the driver of the SUV as it clipped the girl. Its dark, the windows are tinted by the manufacturer and may have more tint that ML put on, and the eyewitness likely had at least one alcoholic beverage. Also, the eyewitness came forward days later. Any defense attorney worth his salt will likely be able to discredit this witness. I think the police know this and that is why ML has not yet been arrested.

Wait a second, I drink while playing softball. Thats still a sport...

Especially when said witness offered an eyewitness account outside of a bar on Chippewa at 4 AM, positively identifying ML as the driver from the other guys in a window-tinted SUV at night. Yep, no credibility issue there.

You really want to man up and take the torch....do the pig roast. Perfect for the opener (great weather) and any night games (don't have to get up so early).

Set up a spit and roast an entire pig or lamb. It takes about 4-5 hours over charcoal...but oh sooo good. We did that for the Monday niter.

Whoops, my bad.

Noone has worn 32 or 67 either, to my knowledge.

If you only knew how funny that statement is. In law school, I used to work for Paul.

Speaking as a lawyer, Marshawn does not need to say anything. His lawyer is correct in making ML not even speak with the police yet. There is procedure here and ML should say nothing. If he was driving, he should definately say nothing. Take the 5th and let the police prove it. If he was not driving, I would still counsel against saying anything, plead the 5th per any obstruction/consipracy charge. At this point, DUI is off the table, as there is no physical evidence. So it is a simple hit-and-run. So, you shut up for now.

Moved out at 18, was back for 6 weeks of the first summer after freshman year. That was enough. Limited visits to less than a week since. I find the relationship is much better with a bit of distance.

My thoughts exactly. Break or no break...tell son to head for the hills and begin to make his own life. Otherwise, this will not end well for any of your neighbors.

I had the exact same thought. Not bad...

Outstanding!! {Insert dumb blonde joke here}

As long as the kids get their assignments and do the homework, what difference does it make?