MikePJ76

Well I never said that about the vikings. I am referring to his deal in terms of having to trade for a guy like that and give up resources and then paying him. The vikings did what they have to do. They had to pay him. They are staring at last place and an angry fanbase this season if the qb they drafted turns out to be poor. If I ran the vikings I would have traded jefferson, and if reports are true they tried to repeatedly leading up to the draft and wanted to take nabers but no one would trade knowing the contract Jefferson wanted. so yea I applaud the Bills for taking the shot on Miller and I completely understand why the Vikings paid Jefferson. Again they had to. now for the bills sake I hope the vikings win 4 games next year and the qb is awful. That second round pick becoming a top 6 or 8 pick would be incredible.

I hear ya. I like this offense personally. I think when the season starts they are going to press defenses all over the field. I am in love with Ray Davis and can't wait to see him. I believe Davis is going to earn a big role here and will get a ton of carries and snaps. I think they have plenty of weapons as long as the offensive line is healthy and Allen is healthy. It will take time to get going and I have high hopes for Coleman in the future but for this year I think he will have a role but will underwhelm statistically, but the offense as a whole as one unit will be excellent. I think the shortcomings on this team are up front on defense.

well that's the rub right....You can not miss on high picks or it sets you back and creates situations like the bills (and most everyone else) have where you have pressing needs for difference makers at multiple positions at the same time. I applaud them for going and getting miller but it has been a complete disaster. They get an A for effort but it hasn't made a dime's bit of difference in the big picture and now this year Miller is actually hurting the team. Hopefully he can do something and be worthy of being active on gameday at least.

IMO the team has to be good enough to Double Dip if you will at a position like wr early in the draft in repeated years. I don't view buffalo as being on that level yet. Depending how this season goes, they might be in a position to do that next year. I just feel like they need to be better up front on defense and just like wr you do that through the draft. Green Bay in the late 00's did this exact thing, they drafted wr in the 2nd and 3rd round like 3 or 4 years in a row. Greg Jennings, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, Randall cobb to go along with Donald Driver.

I think the Bills make the playoffs this year but I still think they are behind the chiefs because the chiefs are just better up front. The Bills have done nothing to change that this offseason. I view the Bills currently as in the same ballpark as the 90's packers. The packers just could not beat Dallas in the playoffs. They tried everything. Signed one of the greatest players in nfl history in reggie white and he got his azz kicked in two playoff games against Dallas. They just could not matchup because of Dallas talent up front on both sides of the ball. It completely disrupted their ability to play the game the way they wanted to. Green Bay finally got over the hump in 96 because Dallas was running on fumes and with irvin suspended and deion hurt Dallas lost to Carolina. To me as it stands today, the Bills need someone else to knock off KC and then they need to go win. I think its possible. Buffalo struggles with Cincy and JAX a little also but I think they would have a better shot today at Cincy, Jax, Baltimore than KC. Especially if the ravens decided to play like a passing first team the way they did last year vs KC in the championship game, that was just insane. The AFC is loaded. I just hope the Bills are actually healthy for once when the playoffs start, I believe they will be in them someway somehow.

Yes of course if the Bills are in a situation next year where there is a top wr when they pick they should do it or consider it. My point is I view it as bad business to give up valuable resources and then make that wr the highest paid at his position creating a savior situation. It just never works. I will say though if you are about to pick and you know the player you pick is going to be great (you never do I know) and your choices were Jefferson, Aaron Donald or Chris jones.....I am taking Donald or Jones 100 out of 100 times because that is the more important position and the teams that win championships are better up front than outside almost always. Sometimes that does not work also, for instance the 98 cowboys took greg ellis over randy moss. In fairness Moss has as many championships as my mom and I do so...

They are going to come for you for this so get ready to duck but yes in essence you have pointed out what I believe. Its as old and tested as anything in the nfl. The team with the good quarterback AND that is good in the trenches is going to beat the teams in the postseason with all the fancy parts outside and weak spots inside. It happens every year in the nfl and always has. now in september and october those fancy parts outside teams win a lot of football games...then post thanksgiving those teams who are better in the trenches win more games. The chiefs last season are exhibit A. Andy Reid's teams have all looked the same in philly and in kc, excellent upfront on both sides of the ball and that is why they are always in contention. Coupling that with a mahomes brought him champhionships, coupling it with mcnabb brought him division titles. So you need the QB first and then the trenches have to be excellent second. jmo and I have seen nothing that changes my opinion except for a few teams in history who have won on offense like the 98 Rams and the 06 Colts.

No absolutely not. He would elevate the passing game for sure. More than likely him, kincaid and this running game would be a complete nightmare for defensive coordinators to prepare for in theory. However I do not view him as a savior either. What it would cost to have him and pay him would probably limit the team in other places forcing him to have to be a savior and hence the problem and why most of these teams with the big expensive #1 WR have no championships.

Yes weapons. I view the offense as a group, imo you need a group that performs well together where everyone has a role. The #1 wr craze is adverse to that imo and the results speak for themselves. These expensive #1 guys almost never win championships.

I feel like we have our signals crossed. I have been mostly joking around about the importance of a #1 wr but it seems you are serious. I need to reread what you wrote and thats on me... for the record. Jefferson is a great player but I will go to my deathbed in believing that it is just a glory position and not high on the list of importance in winning a championship.

well kirk cousins threw for 4500 yards, 29 td's and 14 interceptions and won at buffalo in that same 22 season.

Keon's cousin in Dallas must have spiked a football when he saw this today. He is going to get the same money as jefferson I bet.

Just like having 1 of Jefferson. It hasn't mattered. They have won nothing. He has made the playoffs once and got outscored by a Daniel Jones led Offense at home. It really should. They are going to get hammered in that division.

after Cousins was hurt and he led them to a division title and a championship it makes perfect sense. Yes I posted this in the other thread too.

Impossible. Justin Jefferson is a #1 WR and the best in the league.

The vikings said hold on we can pay more than that and paid Jefferson. Which makes perfect sense because after cousins was hurt last year Jefferson carried the Vikings to a division title and a championship.

give him whatever he wants. He is a #1 wr. This is the most important position in all of sports. At least that is what it seems like I read here and on the internet

What is the point of this? They already have one guy who is just there to make the league look good. This signing is absurd.

As a man in my 40's I can relate. I sat too long in the same position last night watching the Yankees game and I too was limping when I finally got up. It sucks getting old.

The good news for this guy is that Andy Reid loves guys who abuse dogs. Almost as much as guys who abuse women and alcohol.

Its all about the offensive system they play in. They have good players and an excellent play caller in the leagues best system. They play inside most of the year. Stroud is going to have a monster year. I expect to lead the league in multiple categories. I can't remember the name of the player but there is a player who was with shanahan I think in Washington and he said in regards to the offense, if the qb knows even a little of what he is doing the offense is idiot proof. This is why guys like RGIII had great years in that system. Will they win their division, the afc or a super bowl....I have no idea but I am very confident they are going to throw the ball all over the building every week and rack up some incredible numbers. Yea cook is the lead guy. I was not that impressed his first year but last year he turned inside and ran the ball better. It felt like to me the rookie year he was running the sideline to much. He was way better last year. I am hoping this becomes running back by committee though and Davis is given a ton of carries, especially late in the game when the Bills have a lead. It's going to be fun to see how they go about it.

man i have to say I am super horny for Ray Davis. Liked him when I read about and watched him and then being told what I was about him last week in regards to another team that wanted him.....I can't wait to see him play. Cook is the guy here but Davis is going to have a great season. I can not wait to see the role they create for him.

I don't know but I feel like they have a little more size this year and maybe less speed. I think the safeties are bigger and with rasul douglas the full time starter he is a bigger player or at least plays bigger. I think they are going to be very good against the run and exceptionally good once milano is healthy and returns. I just am worried about this group getting pressure on quarterbacks. It doesn't seem like they have anyone who is going to really be an issue for an offense to worry about going into games. Hopefully that changes.

He is going to have a huge season. I really don't see anyway barring injury they are not a top 3 offense from a production standpoint. He might throw for like 5000 plus yards and lead the league. The system he plays in basically guarantees he will be extremely productive and limit turnovers. Only the really terrible qb's turn the ball over in that system.