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San Jose, I have nothing more concrete here. I just always heard that he was generally unruly with the staff, creaming at them rudely, and such. Edit: a better word might be abrasive.

First, love Bobby J. Second, damn, you're right. Third, I think Cookie wants to be paid to be involved. Fourth, I think this, among other reasons, is why Ralph won't allow it. However, I could (and hopefully) be wrong.

I...need...foot...ball...right...f'ng...NOW!! You are right, we are all chomping at the bit and we need somebody, somewhere to start playing or practicing...yesterday!!!

I know there were issues with him and Ralph Wilson and I know this is a "duh" post. Dammit, though, it just swelled up in me to post it. What would some of these years have been like? Sorry I don't have more, I'm just venting. Peace to all Bills' brothers and sisters.

Very fair points, JA. On a side note, I really do wonder sometimes what may have happened if Cribbs had stuck around in Buffalo from 80-88. Seriously, I don't know. Could he have been at least "great" or would he have petered out by 85-86? It's a shame we (and he) never got a chance to find out.

I'm sorry, at one point did I say take Thurm off the wall and put Cribbs up there? I was wrong on the stat, yes, but your other stuff is pretty much minutia for a comparison I wasn't referencing...nice job, though, seriously, cause that is good information in showing how great Thurm was, and very worthy of the Wall and the Hall. I said I don't think he will go on the wall, but, in the middle years of this franchise's 50 year history he was a very special back.

Well said, buftex. I doubt he will go on the Wall, as well, and I was mad at him when he left and the way he left, but if this guy had stayed AND if we had a stable organization during that time he would have given us more great moments and numbers. Just to breakdown from the link provided early in this thread: In the 54 games of his REAL career in Buffalo (not after the USFL) from 80-83 Cribbs scored 35 TDs (20 run, 15 pass) and had 5600 plus yards in offense for us - about 105 yards per game (75 run, 30 pass), and caught 162 passes, twice eclipsing the 50 reception mark for a season, which I am quite sure Thurmal didn't even do in his first 4 years. And, some still believe that there was a lingering question of whether the Bills intentionally limited his use during the last part of a season so as to avoid paying him his performance bonuses; but take that for what it is worth.

That's the thing that does it for me which a lot of times the "Nationals" leave out of the debate. However, to play the diplomat in this argument I'll just say Bruce is the best 3-4 DE of all time and Reggie is the best 4-3 DE.

Love it, Senator. Thank you.

I agree completely, billsfan89. I think the additional 100s of millions of dollars are just an excuse to charge people through the roof on their 8-10 football dates a year. Holy peanuts, the new Texas Stadium? Are you kidding me?

San Antonio loves... LOVES Football. They want it very badly and it is a good football town.

I always have to mention this when the Bucs game comes up: In their 33 year history this will be the first regular season game the Bucs have ever played in Buffalo. Just FYI.

I honestly can agree with this, but I don't deem that so horrible given the circumstances. 3-13, though, is complete ineptitude. I don't think this team is going to tie for the worst record in 24 years.

Look, I know it is a little foolish for the Chiefs to pay him that much, but I will say this, Cassel put up what should have been pro-bowl numbers last year (about 70% completion, almost 4,000 yards, 23 TDs and 13 picks). I hope Trent has a good season, but I don't think he's going to get 63 million dollars if he, lets say, goes 65% completion, 3500 yards, 24 tds and 18 interceptions...oh, and lets also say, 8-8. If he hits 70%, 4k and 2.5:1 TD to int ration, maybe.

Williams' first year "gutted" team was 3-13...do the 2009 Bills resemble that team in any way? No, I don't think so.

Actually, I think it is just about fun. Why is it over the top?

Madden 93 on the Genesis...look, I know it is cheap but I could send Thurmal out on sweep, take'em right to the sidelines and then...gone, 80 yards. It worked 90% of the time. Man, I loved when I could buy these games and the bills would be good.

Ahh, it feels like deja vu all over again. They're old, but don't worry my friend, it STILL is exciting to see them.

I believe in a rookie cap. However, as far as compromises go, silvermike, I like your idea very much.

I think Madden 09 was the best edition of the game since Madden 05. I believe from what I have seen, some of it you referred to above, that this is going to be even better than 09 and not just simply 09.5. ...I will be buying.

Sorry, I went to school in Ohio for a few years, was there for the 95 series and identified with them closely b/c of their 13 year tie with the Bisons.

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Back then we all thought and were told it was a sprain. Fergy KNEW it was broken. Can anyone here say "Great Big Ones" because that's what that guy had, and still has with his health battles, today. Thanks for the memories and God bless you, Joe. Oh, and yeah, he would be good today.

This It is just too hard, unless the player is a really good guy...and pretty darn good. ...however, with franchising online this year, it is going to be tough to pass up some of those players come draft day.

Geez, BT, I remember this guy with FSU and I usually don't remember anybody. Yeah, he had some skills and I'm kinda interested to see this kid and how he has made it back.