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I'm not trying to be an #######... this is an honest question. Do you think Mahomes or Allen could win a Super Bowl in a season in which their running backs never carry the ball?

As an avid reader of ProFootballTalk (SILENCE!), I ran across this blog post: https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nick-sirianni-on-qb-push-play-there-is-not-a-rule-against-it-so-thats-what-we-do “Not everyone has [center] Jason Kelce, [guard] Landon Dickerson, [offensive lineman] Cam Jurgens,” Sirianni said. “Not everybody has [tackle] Jordan Mailata. Not everybody has [tackle] Lane Johnson on the other side. Not everybody has that type of quarterback. “We noticed that last year when people were making maybe some big deals about it. There are a lot that are unsuccessful. You guys know who the teams were that were, and I don’t know exactly the teams that were successful and the teams that weren’t successful. “But there is clearly a talent to it that our guys have, because it’s not as -- maybe it’s automatic right now for the Philadelphia Eagles, but it’s not automatic around the NFL . . . You hear it and you’re like, well, I get that some people are complaining about it, but stop it. Stop the play. It’s not as automatic as people think as we’re seeing across the NFL. . . ." The Bills have used a slightly watered-down version of this play, with one pusher instead of two. Obviously Josh is a big, strong, QB and with our upgraded guards this might become more a part of the Bills MO.

To the bolded... good question. I'm not opinionating on this video but here's every touch in last week's game against the Texans:

7 pages of discussing playoff failures, 13 seconds, this coach isn't good enough... I can't (won't) change my mind until we win a championship... Rather than damn the future based on the past, how about looking at possible reasons why the Bills will break through rather than simply disqualifying the possibility. For instance, not a single person in 7 pages has mentioned the dismissal (believe what you want) of Leslie Frasier. If you believe that McDermottisms such as "Trust the process," "The Daily Habit of Excellence" etc are just empty words that's fine. But he's assumed the challenge of erasing past defensive failures by taking sole responsibility of the defense. Is this "same ole same ole?" And by the same token, why would people assume that someone like Ken Dorsey who is enormously accomplished in football, would be unable to grow, learn, develop, and improve? In addition to the above, I believe the Tops shooting on the East Side also profoundly affected the Bills organization. Most of these guys are black. I'm guessing most of us aren't.

Too much. 5 years $230 million fully guaranteed It's amazing. He just turned 28 years old.

https://www.overtimeheroics.net/2023/09/23/the-chargers-are-a-cursed-a-disgusting-franchise-nfl-analyst-marvels-at-los-angeles-franchises-remarkable-misfortune-as-injuries-threaten-to-derail-season/#:~:text=They also discussed the Chargers' game plan and upcoming performance predictions.&text=During the talk show%2C Benjamin,man should put his heart.

You riff off on some crazy-ass stream-of-consciousness stuff... seems very un-Air Force-like. Also let me know if you need to buy some punctuation marks... I can get you a really good price! 🙃 This is just like high school... never got an invitation. Looks like reading comprehension isn't your only deficiency... just piling on in good fun... awesome you being such a good sport. Were you a philosophy major?

Exactly. The Bills retirements seems disproportionate because we follow the Bills closely. Lots of veterans see/feel the writing on the wall during this time of the NFL calendar.

Thanks for posting this. I think the current perception of the Bills O-line will be quite different by the end of the season. Also, Fitz went to Harvard and Ralph is cheap The factors that conspire to make Elam inactive: Lack of boundary CB/slot CB/Safety position flexibility Does not play on special teams Excellence of Benford's play Solidness of Dane Jackson's play I don't think for a second that the Bills have given up on Elam but I do believe they don't want to dress a 4th cornerback who doesn't play safety, nickel or special teams. It's certainly less than ideal that a first rounder is inactive. On the other hand it's great to have excellent depth at a premier position. It's a long season.

I wonder how much of that is scheme compatibility.

Yes, take the layups and I think we all agree it's about risk/reward, a combination of a snap judgement and situational awareness. Interestingly the TDs last week to Gabriel Davis and Kahlil Shakir could both be viewed as risky. Yes the reward was a touchdown but the risk was a red zone INT or fumble by Josh (on Shakir's). A red zone turnover is often demoralizing and momentum-changing and minimally deprives the team of a field goal attempt so it's definitely arguable there was a lot of risk on those throws. Ultimately the outcomes were good but they could just as well have been bad. When you compare the TD risk from week two to the 3 INTs from week one it's not clear if the risk/reward was better or worse. The justification for at least one of the week one INTs was that "it was as good as a punt." I think what made week 1's INTs worse was that he threw into coverage with very low hopes for a good outcome... showed poor judgement. On the related subject of Josh in the red zone, I believe he sees the end zone better than any other QB in the league. Remember he didn't throw his first red zone INT until his 55th career game. That's a remarkable fact. To my assertion, is this a risky throw or not?

I get your point and don't totally disagree though I'm not sure the Pats are 2-0 with Herbert... maybe 1-1? Anyways I've been very impressed with Tua lately. He processes play very quickly and his ball placement is excellent. He's definitely underwhelming physically but I think he understands the game in a way that most NFL QBs don't.

Thank you. And let's stay away from the personal attacks too.

Herbert having Tua's weapons and coaching is a scary thought indeed.

Thank you for posting that link. The All-22 breakdown of Josh by Warner is outstanding. I could watch it repeatedly. This is Josh Allen at his best. Josh and Mahomes are doing things that have never consistently been done before.

This is almost deserving of its own thread... or the resurrection of an earlier Dorsey thread. Bottom line, many people make judgements and then have difficulty changing their minds. It's often the case that accomplished professionals change and grow but the perception of them doesn't.

I'm glad you brought up Singletary too because it'll be interesting to see how his post-Bills career plays out. It's hard to say what's going on in Houston. Their starter Dameon Pierce had an excellent rookie season last year averaging 4.3 ypc. This year Pierce is at 2.7 ypc so it's not only Singletary. I wonder how Moss would like running behind O'Cyrus Torrence and this offensive line.

This is the conversation IMO. Both were taken in the 2020 draft. Tua went 5th overall and Herbert 6th (Burrows went 1st). About a year ago it was very popular to state that Herbert was better than Tua and that the Dolphins erred. Now that belief isn't stated as much anymore. IMO QB is a neck up position and Tua is better from the neck up while Herbert's better from the neck down. In fairness Tua has the better weapons and the better coaching and I think most NFL GMs would still take Herbert over Tua...but I still believe Tua has the better mind for the game.

Also that Ravens injury report doesn't include their starting running back J.K. Dobbins who was injured in week one and is out for the rest of the season.

I feel like it would be a bad decision to argue with you about the weather. Yeah, those things run forever.

The Bills drafted running back Zack Moss in the 3rd round (86th overall) of the 2020 NFL Draft. At the time I liked the pick and thought of him as a good physical back. He flashed at times as a Bill but was mostly a disappointment partly because of his inability to stay healthy and partly because of his general ineffectiveness. He never seemed to resemble the player he was at Utah. Finally last Halloween we traded him to the Colts for fellow running back Nyheim Hines. Besides swapping him for Hines, we acquired two physical runners (Damien Harris and Latavius Murray) to provide that ruggedness that Moss was supposed to bring us. By the time he was shown the door he was pretty much a whipping boy for members of this forum. It hasn't been spoken of much around here but Moss has quietly resurrected his career. Here are his stat lines from his last 5 regular season games with Indy: Zack Moss last 5 Regular Season Games with the Colts Date ATT YDS YPC 12/17/22 24 81 3.38 12/26/22 12 65 5.42 1/1/23 15 74 4.93 1/8/23 18 114 6.33 9/17/23 18 88 4.89 AVERAGE 15.4 84.4 5.48 I'm curious if anyone here has any insights as to what has changed to make him a seemingly effective NFL running back. Health? Scheme? Also would you say his improvement has vindicated the Bills decision to draft him in the first place?

The reason AJ Klein has played 10 seasons in the NFL is because he's ultra-competitive... he was legendary at Iowa State for his competitive fire. I'd bet he has his eyes on Kirksey's team record of 21 days on the practice squad before retiring.

I think the miscalculation of his age had to do with an error in the "order of operations." Remember PEMDAS: Parentheses, Exponents, Multiplication, and Division (from left to right), Addition and Subtraction (from left to right).