Ghost_002!

You say this...like the draft is not coming up, free agency is not coming up? (in their cap situation is very good next season) Their Wide Outs are ok...after numerous break downs on film. They actually do get open. Newton is just god awful at reading defensives now and misses throws badly...aka. their short comings this year is more on the QB than their wide outs....even though they still need help at that position. and unrelated to this post. Someone mentioned his coaching tree. You forget Flores is part of that tree. THe coach whose dolphins team is only one game back from you guys in the division. Bill O'Brien as well..although he completely missed up that Hopkins situations. Bill O'Brien had a good winning career with the texans and has won a few playoff games. and then there's Nick Saban

They opted out because they had newborns and young children they didnt wanna to take the risk and all have said to be returning. Chung on twitter laughed at fans who thought he wasn't going to come back. Hightower their best linebacker and their mic just had his kid and he is returning.

Also to point out how this is a prisoners of the moment from both fans and media. Bills struggle against the Chargers a bit to win. And gave up 17. Just least week the Chargers put up a goose egg against the Pats, and BB probably helped get Anthony Lynn fired. The Bills were able put up about 30 against the Rams and the pats did nothing... Every week is something different.

Defense is not getting old. Their oldest player besides McCourty is Chung who opted out They drafted a bunch of younger players on defense.. For all the GM talk. Its fair to point out his drafting offensive players. But on the defensive side he drafts pretty decent there. chase winovich Kyle Dugger Josh uche Michael Onwenu All look promising and have contributed oh and Damien Harris at RB is actually good in his first full season

And none of that speaks of a "drought ". Logically looking at it. They have been competitive in a down year. With a shot QB.

Never told anyone their point is silly..I said it would make more sense to wait longer than a year to talk about a Patriots "drought"

Prisoners of the moment. From some Pats fans too, Its only year 1, and teams are dealing with COVID...they won 6 games so far could of easily won 8. I mean you could wait at least a few years first to make sure.

I can answer this from the other side. I am up here in NE so you know who i root for, but i can say it's this site for me. You guys are very respectful to the opposing fans, majority of you guys seem really down to earth and I respect that about this fan base and this site. I have traveled to other fan forums and some sites are run well but they are quick to ban opposing fans. Other sites their fans are down right nasty and if you even react the same way they ban you. As i said. i have a lot of respect for this site and the fans base on here, and thank you for allowing me to be here even if you do not agree with who i root for.

I get it and its very possible because both teams are good and are capable of making it. But u really wanna roll your dice against a guy who has gone 9x and is proven (43 or not) to a whole teams first time? Completely didn't mind set. Anything is possible But be careful what you ask for.

I want to say it was on purpose too but if you go to Dan orlovsky twitter handle he has two similar situations where Greg Williams does zero blitz at the end of the game. I even think there was a game against the steelers last year where they are in the exact situation with 15 seconds left and the Jets zero blitz the steelers..it worked that time Think its a very stupid call either way...but whatever.

honestly...i am not... at this point, i am just summarizing where I am standing now....honestly. It really doesn't matter to me anymore about what you think about my posts.

Thank you for taken the time to research my post. I am sorry if you take what i am saying as contradiction (being lighthearted and sarcastic ). Newton was careless with the football, in terms of needing Brady in that situation...you do not need brady, you just need any QB to be careful with the football. That is not an indictment on Newton. (I have said it wasn't an indictment on Newton) Yes i believe the patriots would of won. If that makes me in the wrong for saying that or you feel i am contradicting myself...cool. I am going to disagree. the percentages i see, tells me-they are pretty high for a team to score there....you have about 17 teams ranging from 70 to 60% . That is how i am going to look at it....if that speaks of me being incorrect to you cool at this point it seems you want to be right and prove me to be very wrong...so ok have at it... i will disagree and still post here.

Interesting...Show me where i changed my argument.? you want to debate that I have no scientific backup to post what I have posted...i have proven i do. Explain to me what my argument was..show me where I am changing things up? my quote" That game didnt have anything to do McDermott or even Brady. Because you can insert any other QB in that situation and the pats could of won. That wasn't a situation were only elite QBs take control of. They were at the 20. Most NFL QBs could handle that moment. Tyrod Taylor could of won that game given how it was setting up." nothing there..putting it, the way you are trying to paint my words. I guess, Tyrod Taylor has never won any games for a team before...i guess he is not capable of scoring from the 20 yard line...wait wait..i have to get technical..i should of said Tyrod Taylor had a 50% chance to win that game.....

if there is a 50% chance of winning the game from the 20 yard line aka point of attack. How exactly am I wrong about "feeling" or stating "the Patriots could" of won?

here we go again........i gave the data for a purpose..because you seem hell bent on wanting to claim I am the pot calling the kettle black. You stated what you felt and how you see it, and i stated how i felt and how i seen it. If it is "coin toss" then i am neither completely right or completely wrong in making my statement then, am I?

Yea you are free to look at however you want. What i seen was, the patriots had the bills on their heels. Had Newton not fumbled .....i felt great about the patriots chances.

Well other fans travel to other fans forums. And if you are a football fan like myself...you follow who you can follow, plus with the technology now a days, "NFL redzone" you can see everyone...but i been a fan since 86 so...i like talking football. I would hope you shouldn't feel the need to restrict my post. I don't feel i am doing anything but having a football conversation. From a different point of view, but still a football convo. Your last sentience ok, cool. I wasn't speaking from a guaranteed stand point but more from a probable stand point.

You asked the question like it was a problem. What does it matter who i root for? I didnt come in here screaming "the bills suck" I came in and stated clearly what was my point. And as i said..when i said "you" I didnt mean directly you..but posters who come in with baseless opinions... Me bring up the point of someone else could of QB that situation..was actually a response to someone claiming the bills finally won because brady wasnt on the field. My statement was to say...the bills winning had nothing to do with brady not being here and more Newton being carless with the ball....it's not an opinion....he clearly wasn't careful with the ball and as you act like I do not know if the patriots or any team would be successful in that moment... https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct NFL Team Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only) More Team Stats... Season: 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Date: Rank Team 2020 Last 3 Last 1 Home Away 2019 1 Minnesota 78.12% 80.00% 100.00% 81.25% 75.00% 60.66% 2 Seattle 77.78% 54.55% 50.00% 87.50% 70.00% 64.62% 3 Arizona 74.29% 70.00% 100.00% 61.90% 92.86% 45.28% 4 Green Bay 73.68% 70.00% 75.00% 73.33% 73.91% 67.86% 5 Tampa Bay 72.09% 58.33% 100.00% 81.25% 66.67% 64.81% 6 Tennessee 71.79% 50.00% 40.00% 82.61% 56.25% 77.36% 7 Pittsburgh 69.44% 77.78% 100.00% 65.00% 75.00% 35.00% 8 Cleveland 67.74% 28.57% 33.33% 55.00% 90.91% 58.00% 9 Kansas City 67.50% 72.73% 80.00% 68.42% 66.67% 60.00% 10 San Francisco 66.67% 60.00% 33.33% 53.33% 76.19% 55.56% 11 New Orleans 65.91% 73.33% 75.00% 64.00% 68.42% 59.32% 12 LA Rams 65.79% 72.73% 100.00% 60.00% 69.57% 64.41% 13 Philadelphia 63.33% 71.43% 50.00% 61.11% 66.67% 63.16% 14 Buffalo 62.50% 66.67% 100.00% 65.38% 57.14% 56.52% 15 Miami 61.54% 63.64% 33.33% 60.00% 63.16% 56.25% 16 Las Vegas 61.54% 69.23% 80.00% 65.00% 57.89% 52.83% 17 Jacksonville 61.29% 50.00% 0.00% 61.54% 61.11% 40.43% 18 Detroit 60.00% 66.67% 75.00% 63.16% 57.14% 59.52% 19 Carolina 59.46% 72.73% 40.00% 63.16% 55.56% 58.00% 20 Houston 59.38% 55.56% 33.33% 43.75% 75.00% 62.71% 21 LA Chargers 58.82% 58.33% 40.00% 50.00% 71.43% 52.83% 22 Baltimore 58.82% 50.00% 25.00% 57.14% 61.54% 64.71% 23 Washington 58.33% 58.33% 50.00% 57.89% 58.82% 48.78% 24 New England 56.25% 66.67% 50.00% 60.00% 52.94% 49.21% 25 Indianapolis 55.26% 50.00% 50.00% 68.75% 45.45% 64.29% 26 Cincinnati 52.94% 60.00% 33.33% 52.94% 52.94% 43.75% 27 Atlanta 51.43% 36.36% 0.00% 55.56% 47.06% 51.67% 28 Dallas 50.00% 33.33% 0.00% 50.00% 50.00% 57.41% 29 Denver 48.28% 44.44% 25.00% 57.14% 40.00% 47.62% 30 NY Giants 48.15% 77.78% 66.67% 46.15% 50.00% 57.14% 31 Chicago 48.15% 50.00% 0.00% 50.00% 47.06% 52.17% 32 NY Jets 38.10% 80.00% 100.00% 23.08% 62.50% 54.55% As you can see...in most cases...teams in the NFL are pretty successful in the redzone....so i was not given an "opinion" about the portability of the pats being successful on that last drive.

So for your first sentence. I root for NE. but this gets asked all the time, like other fans travel to other fans forum, nothing new..What I am doing here is no different than anything you would not see in a dolphins fan forum or even in a 49ers fan forum. What is the problem with me being here? I am have not taken any shot at the bills. and no I didn't give a opinion but a fact. Newton was careless with the ball because all running backs and ball carriers are taught to hold the ball on the outside to reduce the chances of a defender knocking the ball out, he was quoted and said it falls on him..because he is so use to holding the ball in his right hand, even though he was told and knows he should be handling the ball in his outside hand. I'm not implying that he is incapable, but that the situation calls for your QB to hold onto the football to give your team a chance to win. And as I described, it isn't something that only elite QBs can achieve in. and you want to act like the percentages aren't high for a offense marching down the field, ball on the 20 to score? OF course a lot can happen, but the percentages are high an NFL offense could score in that moment and no my post did not say the Pats would win...i said they "could" of won.

What was the question again? and no i am not contradicting myself at all because I truly do not care if you do not like what i like...just have facts not your opinions be correct....and when i say "you" I am not directly meaning you, I am addressing the whole thread....so i will wait for our reply. That game didnt have anything to do McDermott or even Brady. Because you can insert any other QB in that situation and the pats could of won. That wasn't a situation were only elite QBs take control of. They were at the 20. Most NFL QBs could handle that moment. Tyrod Taylor could of won that game given how it was setting up.

Cause i am free to be here....and there's this thing..where not everyone has to share the same point of view as you. And it fascinates me how off base people's sports takes are. Proof?

I know what the thread is about...yet there are still plenty of posters referencing the patriots..right? And how is the Patriots success more Brady than BB in just their first year apart. You can erase 20 years after 1 year..? Bills beating the pats after brady left..i think you should look at that game a little bit more...had nothing to do with not having brady and more to do with Newton being very careless with the football...because if you watched that game, the patriots where in seconds of winning that game....the bills with the pats JV squad were on their heels... and ultimately my argument is a lot of bitching about anything NE and you guys are having the better season and your QB is proving plenty of people wrong....but NE is still on the minds of a small group of Bills fans here.

i was referring to NE...i can give a damn about Patricia. I dont even want him back in NE. only other coach i care about is Flores and he is doing a fine job in miami. only took him 2 years to rebuild that team....most teams take longer than that. They weren't expected to win as many games as they did last year and even this year is a bit of a surprise. O'Brien actually was pretty good in Houston up until this year(well up until the moment he traded Hopkins). Even did a great job at Penn State. Won more playoff games than your coach right now.

Ha ha they have won 3 SBs since Spygate and deflategate.

Ha ha....yup it's all Brady. (Sarcasm) McDermott is 1-9 against him, barely beat him with his covid squad...and still gotta play him again. Just win one first and stop griping about the pats... 7-3, first in the AFC east and can't help but talk about NE...tortured.