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Interesting...Show me where i changed my argument.? you want to debate that I have no scientific backup to post what I have posted...i have proven i do. Explain to me what my argument was..show me where I am changing things up? my quote" That game didnt have anything to do McDermott or even Brady. Because you can insert any other QB in that situation and the pats could of won. That wasn't a situation were only elite QBs take control of. They were at the 20. Most NFL QBs could handle that moment. Tyrod Taylor could of won that game given how it was setting up." nothing there..putting it, the way you are trying to paint my words. I guess, Tyrod Taylor has never won any games for a team before...i guess he is not capable of scoring from the 20 yard line...wait wait..i have to get technical..i should of said Tyrod Taylor had a 50% chance to win that game.....

if there is a 50% chance of winning the game from the 20 yard line aka point of attack. How exactly am I wrong about "feeling" or stating "the Patriots could" of won?

here we go again........i gave the data for a purpose..because you seem hell bent on wanting to claim I am the pot calling the kettle black. You stated what you felt and how you see it, and i stated how i felt and how i seen it. If it is "coin toss" then i am neither completely right or completely wrong in making my statement then, am I?

Yea you are free to look at however you want. What i seen was, the patriots had the bills on their heels. Had Newton not fumbled .....i felt great about the patriots chances.

Well other fans travel to other fans forums. And if you are a football fan like myself...you follow who you can follow, plus with the technology now a days, "NFL redzone" you can see everyone...but i been a fan since 86 so...i like talking football. I would hope you shouldn't feel the need to restrict my post. I don't feel i am doing anything but having a football conversation. From a different point of view, but still a football convo. Your last sentience ok, cool. I wasn't speaking from a guaranteed stand point but more from a probable stand point.

You asked the question like it was a problem. What does it matter who i root for? I didnt come in here screaming "the bills suck" I came in and stated clearly what was my point. And as i said..when i said "you" I didnt mean directly you..but posters who come in with baseless opinions... Me bring up the point of someone else could of QB that situation..was actually a response to someone claiming the bills finally won because brady wasnt on the field. My statement was to say...the bills winning had nothing to do with brady not being here and more Newton being carless with the ball....it's not an opinion....he clearly wasn't careful with the ball and as you act like I do not know if the patriots or any team would be successful in that moment... https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct NFL Team Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only) More Team Stats... Season: 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Date: Rank Team 2020 Last 3 Last 1 Home Away 2019 1 Minnesota 78.12% 80.00% 100.00% 81.25% 75.00% 60.66% 2 Seattle 77.78% 54.55% 50.00% 87.50% 70.00% 64.62% 3 Arizona 74.29% 70.00% 100.00% 61.90% 92.86% 45.28% 4 Green Bay 73.68% 70.00% 75.00% 73.33% 73.91% 67.86% 5 Tampa Bay 72.09% 58.33% 100.00% 81.25% 66.67% 64.81% 6 Tennessee 71.79% 50.00% 40.00% 82.61% 56.25% 77.36% 7 Pittsburgh 69.44% 77.78% 100.00% 65.00% 75.00% 35.00% 8 Cleveland 67.74% 28.57% 33.33% 55.00% 90.91% 58.00% 9 Kansas City 67.50% 72.73% 80.00% 68.42% 66.67% 60.00% 10 San Francisco 66.67% 60.00% 33.33% 53.33% 76.19% 55.56% 11 New Orleans 65.91% 73.33% 75.00% 64.00% 68.42% 59.32% 12 LA Rams 65.79% 72.73% 100.00% 60.00% 69.57% 64.41% 13 Philadelphia 63.33% 71.43% 50.00% 61.11% 66.67% 63.16% 14 Buffalo 62.50% 66.67% 100.00% 65.38% 57.14% 56.52% 15 Miami 61.54% 63.64% 33.33% 60.00% 63.16% 56.25% 16 Las Vegas 61.54% 69.23% 80.00% 65.00% 57.89% 52.83% 17 Jacksonville 61.29% 50.00% 0.00% 61.54% 61.11% 40.43% 18 Detroit 60.00% 66.67% 75.00% 63.16% 57.14% 59.52% 19 Carolina 59.46% 72.73% 40.00% 63.16% 55.56% 58.00% 20 Houston 59.38% 55.56% 33.33% 43.75% 75.00% 62.71% 21 LA Chargers 58.82% 58.33% 40.00% 50.00% 71.43% 52.83% 22 Baltimore 58.82% 50.00% 25.00% 57.14% 61.54% 64.71% 23 Washington 58.33% 58.33% 50.00% 57.89% 58.82% 48.78% 24 New England 56.25% 66.67% 50.00% 60.00% 52.94% 49.21% 25 Indianapolis 55.26% 50.00% 50.00% 68.75% 45.45% 64.29% 26 Cincinnati 52.94% 60.00% 33.33% 52.94% 52.94% 43.75% 27 Atlanta 51.43% 36.36% 0.00% 55.56% 47.06% 51.67% 28 Dallas 50.00% 33.33% 0.00% 50.00% 50.00% 57.41% 29 Denver 48.28% 44.44% 25.00% 57.14% 40.00% 47.62% 30 NY Giants 48.15% 77.78% 66.67% 46.15% 50.00% 57.14% 31 Chicago 48.15% 50.00% 0.00% 50.00% 47.06% 52.17% 32 NY Jets 38.10% 80.00% 100.00% 23.08% 62.50% 54.55% As you can see...in most cases...teams in the NFL are pretty successful in the redzone....so i was not given an "opinion" about the portability of the pats being successful on that last drive.

So for your first sentence. I root for NE. but this gets asked all the time, like other fans travel to other fans forum, nothing new..What I am doing here is no different than anything you would not see in a dolphins fan forum or even in a 49ers fan forum. What is the problem with me being here? I am have not taken any shot at the bills. and no I didn't give a opinion but a fact. Newton was careless with the ball because all running backs and ball carriers are taught to hold the ball on the outside to reduce the chances of a defender knocking the ball out, he was quoted and said it falls on him..because he is so use to holding the ball in his right hand, even though he was told and knows he should be handling the ball in his outside hand. I'm not implying that he is incapable, but that the situation calls for your QB to hold onto the football to give your team a chance to win. And as I described, it isn't something that only elite QBs can achieve in. and you want to act like the percentages aren't high for a offense marching down the field, ball on the 20 to score? OF course a lot can happen, but the percentages are high an NFL offense could score in that moment and no my post did not say the Pats would win...i said they "could" of won.

What was the question again? and no i am not contradicting myself at all because I truly do not care if you do not like what i like...just have facts not your opinions be correct....and when i say "you" I am not directly meaning you, I am addressing the whole thread....so i will wait for our reply. That game didnt have anything to do McDermott or even Brady. Because you can insert any other QB in that situation and the pats could of won. That wasn't a situation were only elite QBs take control of. They were at the 20. Most NFL QBs could handle that moment. Tyrod Taylor could of won that game given how it was setting up.

Cause i am free to be here....and there's this thing..where not everyone has to share the same point of view as you. And it fascinates me how off base people's sports takes are. Proof?

I know what the thread is about...yet there are still plenty of posters referencing the patriots..right? And how is the Patriots success more Brady than BB in just their first year apart. You can erase 20 years after 1 year..? Bills beating the pats after brady left..i think you should look at that game a little bit more...had nothing to do with not having brady and more to do with Newton being very careless with the football...because if you watched that game, the patriots where in seconds of winning that game....the bills with the pats JV squad were on their heels... and ultimately my argument is a lot of bitching about anything NE and you guys are having the better season and your QB is proving plenty of people wrong....but NE is still on the minds of a small group of Bills fans here.

i was referring to NE...i can give a damn about Patricia. I dont even want him back in NE. only other coach i care about is Flores and he is doing a fine job in miami. only took him 2 years to rebuild that team....most teams take longer than that. They weren't expected to win as many games as they did last year and even this year is a bit of a surprise. O'Brien actually was pretty good in Houston up until this year(well up until the moment he traded Hopkins). Even did a great job at Penn State. Won more playoff games than your coach right now.

Ha ha they have won 3 SBs since Spygate and deflategate.

Ha ha....yup it's all Brady. (Sarcasm) McDermott is 1-9 against him, barely beat him with his covid squad...and still gotta play him again. Just win one first and stop griping about the pats... 7-3, first in the AFC east and can't help but talk about NE...tortured.

speaking of data... https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2020/10/nba-playoff-ratings-decline-finals-record-low-sports-viewership/#:~:text=The 2020 NBA Playoffs averaged,and June (4.83M). Steep NBA playoff drop in line with broader trend asserts from the article: "While the coverage might make one believe that the NBA suffered a sharper ratings drop than any other league, the numbers tell a different story." "The 37 percent decline is in line with the broader trend facing the sports industry since the wave of cancellations and postponements in March. The NHL Stanley Cup Playoffs declined an almost identical 38% across NBC’s TV and digital platforms (from 1.53M to 953K) and the MLB Division Series sank 40% on TBS, FS1 and MLB Network (from 3.04M to 1.82M)." "Like the playoffs as a whole, the steep drop for the Finals is in line with the industry-wide trend. Even after losing half of its year-ago audience, the Finals held up better than the Stanley Cup Final (-61%) or the final round of golf’s U.S. Open (-56%), which were similarly shifted from June to late summer." " During the playoffs, the NBA delivered television’s highest rating in adults 18-49 on 30 of 41 nights. The final two games of the NBA Finals each had a 3.2 rating in the demo — well below last year’s comparable games, but TV’s best (non-NFL) rating in the demo since February’s Academy Awards. The NBA’s decline has generated greater media attention than those of other sports because of the perception that the league is being punished by viewers for its support of the Black Lives Matter movement. The data does not indicate any meaningful shift in the racial make-up of the league’s audience. Through the first four games of the NBA Finals, white viewers made up 45 percent of the audience. That compares to 46 percent last year." Sports viewing trend also note that soccer is not even listed on this chart. So you were saying??

yea it's a personnel preference and a regional thing as well. As you know college sports aren't popular up north here where we are, but down south of course it's treated like a major sport. Although i agree with what the game has become with the 3 point shooting and how it's viewed and it has taken away some aspect of the sport viewing wise, but if you are a fan, you are a fan. Yes the center position or a big man as you knew it is gone. But that has evolved "the big man" to an all around player. Sports in general evolves and grows as athletes grow (TEs in football : about 10 plus years ago where mainly used for blocking and pass catching once in a while-now today's TE can catch more than they block) The big man in today's basketball he doesn't just stay in the paint any more..he can dribble and shoot. It is a gift and a curse because for those who watch the sport see a luka doncic who can do it all for someone his height and it's great to see. You then get a Joel Embiid who does shoot from 3 too much and should be in the paint more.

Soccer is never gonna be dominate in the United States. That statement was made when MLS first hit and to this day it's still not being watched. ratings for all sports are down. For those complaining about basketball. The urban kids or kids in general are still keeping the sport alive. YOU(people complaining) may not watch it but it remains one of the more popular sports with the youth. H.S. school games are being played on ESPN, AAU is a big money marker for brands such as Nike, Adidas and Under armour. Game advances and doesn't worry about older folks complaining about it. also what you(people) are complaining about with basketball-people complain about football.....baseball...etc. All personnel preference.

Oh waaah....I am upset cause he didn't slap hands, "slap hands..." I guess 20 years of rag dolling ya...would get you upset.

Because BB sends players packing early instead of waiting before its too late. Plus Gilmore is coming up on a payday and BB doesn't wanna pay since Gilmore is getting older.. Football players don't act like fans... If your team is good or willing to pay. Free agents will come.

Oh also to put a end to this "hot take" The pro bowl selection by every team is for starters although he starts now Jason McCourty and Stephon Gilmore are the starters and were listed as the starters and were the ones put on the ballot in the beginning of the season so that is why he was not put on by the ballot..

This can't be true cause according to fans, BB has acquired any talent since Jamie Collins

Not saying you...but I hate when fans act like that...hating cause another player gets hype or gets overly hype..like its the media's job to sell stars. IMO "Let Jackson eat" he is no where as bad as fans make him out to be.

Don't understand the Jackson hate from NFL fans everywhere. He doesn't seem like a bad QB at all when he has to throw... If Allen could transform himself into a actual QB. I do not see why Jackson couldn't...

First off....do you know or understand how the drafts board works or how teams move up and down..clearly you don't. Sec. nobody knew how Brady was going to end up..so you can pick your QB anywhere you like if you have any understanding what other teams before you and after you are going to do. (Generally that's common knowledge to all of them in draft rooms) 3rd....why does it matter where he was drafted by the pats..what significance is it? Service absolutely no purpose at all...cause he was never going to be 1,2,3 rounder and you wouldn't pick him that high giving him that type of money if you know you can get him in later rounds.. football is chess they get paid to think like pros not salty fans..

Huh? Where in my post did you read me saying just that? Also just for the sake of your post. They could trade for a QB..just for the sake of the discussion.. Matt Ryan could become available Jimmy Garoppolo could become available..there are multiple ways of rebuilding your team...and I am just spit balling...

I am not arguing the grade of that draft or any of the pats draft.... You do not "luck" into a 6 round pick..ha ha not at pick 199..nobody including the pats knew he was going to be great...he worked at it...his coaches helped him...my point.