Ghost_002!

I do not understand what you mean or what are you trying to say? Where did I go wrong in responding to you about athletes kneeling? I don't even understand where I swung and missed the first time (shrug shoulders). I never said athletes were a special case. I said they were people like you an d I, where they work at is different than the average joe's 9 to 5. The major sport that they play in is govern different than again the average joe's 9 to 5. You are cool to have your feelings or opinion, still doesn't mean I can't or anyone can't have a debate with you. Also we do not have to agree either. I said that. Who is CK? You might have to give me more details about that situation? Where did i say, i agreed with Kaep wearing "cops are pigs" socks? I know i spoke about kneeling, never mention anything about socks!? And again, going right back to what i said before "i do not think i have ever said you or anyone opposite of my opinion on athletes kneeling do not have the right to your opinion or you do not have the right to dislike it" so in this post here police, ANYONE can have an issue with it. They also do not have to watch the sport, Again doesn't mean there can't be a debate or it doesn't mean someone's point or points on the matter can't be challenged. I am not quite sure what is your issue. Do you have a problem with anyone debating your posts? and for the 3rd time asking for equality is not political. What is DJT? Trump was not passionate about the flag for those who are, i can understand that and respect that. And others have passion for not wanting to see black people judge by the color of their skin. I want to be able to wear a hoodie and not have someone feel they are the law even as a neighborhood watchman and get into a confrontation with me and all I had was a bag of skittles in my hand or in my pocket. ( trayvon martin) Or not have a knee on my neck, or snow shoved in my face by the men and women who are suppose to serve and protect. (i am not saying all cops have done this) Again that is the reason for protesting, that was the reason for Keap kneeling....he wanted to bring to light a ongoing issues that some black people face. He found a peaceful way to do it but instead of it bringing positive dialogue it was met with distain and people not willing to understand the purpose, People trying to make it out to be something it NEVER WAS. About the military

I didn't lump you or anyone into a group. So please do not do the same to me. I am someone with his own thoughts and his own views and perceptive. I ask and this goes to DOC too. Because the main story is a teen lost her live, but your commentary to me, turned into trying to take a shot at the left and the media more than what should matter...to me you would be no different than the people, political party or posters you oppose. It's divisive in my opinion. Now yes I am new here so i don't know the whole story between you and whoever oppose your thoughts but both sides (republicans and democrats) do the same thing....stand there and point fingers at each other and talk about how each other are doing the same exact thing. I could be speaking out of turn, but in general that is why i asked a question and didn't "assume" anything.

I am curious about something. Do you care in this story you posted that a teen has lost her life or you more concern with it fitting what seems to be your agenda. "The left" bad and "the Media" bad too?

I agree what this bill is doing, and as I said the whole thing is "fishy" but we gotta be careful how we are wording it because for the sake of the discussion there are definitely plenty of white people in Georgia that did and want to vote blue. Again i do not know all the language so i could be wrong but my mother lives in Atlanta and just had knee surgery so can never stand up for a long period of time again. And my understanding voting in Georgia takes hours...hours to do so if the bill is eliminating or limiting "mail-in" ballots that leaves her at a disadvantage and that is b.s.

I honestly think, with these emotions starting from when kaep kneeling peacefully and getting the backlash from it, police brutality, trump fanning certain fires, the electionon, the "Karens" of the world... all of it has cause a great divide with a lot of black people thinking we are the hunted in every way. It's unfortunate but that is the cricks of the matter and why I said to a follow poster as a country if we speak to one another, have a discussions more...we do not have to agree but being able to listen and also talk things out. A lot of crap could be better viewed. of course the media does not help, from both sides though. Not just from the left, from the right too. I remember when all the rioting started I had a back n forth with a poster on another forum. I said if we want change as people we need to handle all of this responsibly. I understood the rioting immediately after Floyd was killed, but it needed to stop there after because it was going to take away from the overall message and that message is " equality". We as black people want to be looked and judge just like everyone else. Continuing to riot is doing a disservice for the true cause. Case and point. The decision has been made with the Floyd case but instead of us as a people looking to solve the issue between police and black people we have talking heads, and people in general talking about rioters and looters and how it affected the case. Like we took a step forward to move two step back. And of course a lot of this rioting is not for any of the right causes....

Gotta disagree with the bill being called "racist" and I am a black person. Although i can say I do not know all the "language" and understanding of the bill. I think how and why the bill is coming to pass is f'd up, suspicious and think it's a bunch of b.s., but It's not racist. It's not singling out a particular race. A political party I would say yea, but not a race, because in my opinion I think it's singling out voters who want to vote democratically but obviously not all democrats are black and/or brown.....Chinese, Japanese, etc.

Unfortunately there is a great portion of our society that just do not trust the police. From past events to present events it's just what it is. It's unfortunate but I think all of us, would understand or can understand...if you have a bad experiences or had a closet friend or love one who had a bad experience you too will be skeptical. And that is with anything not just police. It's a natural human reaction. For many, all they know from policeman are firing hoes on black people in the 60s, falsely accusing a black person of a crime that they didn't commit and the abuse of their power. Now I didn't say that is what all police do. I am stating how a large portion of the country sees it that way and its not because of cnn or fox news, tweets or any other media outlet. It's been that way for decades. Now the rest of your post I agree 100%. this is what I would like everyone, us as a people, politicians/law makers to focus on. Educating the public AND POLICE on how to deal with each other better.

Thank you for welcoming me and also willing to have a debate with me. Greatly appreciate it. So first, I do not think I have ever said you or anyone opposite of my opinion on athletes kneeling do not have the right to your opinion or you do not have the right to dislike it. We need "to go further than that" because it's what this country needs. "A discussion/communications/debates/talk" it's healthy, it helps everything become more understandable. You and I may never agree on this subject, but at least we had a discussion on it. and these quotes from you " If everyone is entitled to an opinion and thoughts on the subject, why do we need to go further than that? " "I’m not looking to players for any great life lessons" so everyone is entitled to their opinion, but athletes are not allowed to theirs? You are on here expressing your opinion. So does that mean it's only ok, if someone agrees with you but not ok if someone doesn't agree with you? And although I agree some owners my not like their protest they are certainly "allowing" the athletes to express their opinions. Again the protesting by athletes is done before a game that is for like 2mins, and if anything is brought up it's like in passing, or made mentioned for probably another 1 mins or so during the game. I mean i don't see where it hinders viewership. If you don't wanna watch to begin with then you were never interested. Some do talk about it after , but in my opinion who honestly sticks around to hear an athlete speak post game anyways in general. and again asking for equality is not political. What turned it into this political talking point was the ex president who seen it as a way to get voters, to increase his like ability, so he of course put two and two together and created a even bigger fire storm which that seems to be what his presidency toward the end was about.

Been reading this side of the forum and found it interesting. Never really had any intention to reply but this made me speak. First mistake is although football, soccer, bball is entertainment...its being played or performed by "people" just like you and I are So whether you agree with their opinion or not they have the right to exercise that however they see fit. Just like you and i. We need to stop viewing major sports as we do an average Joe's 9 to 5. It's not the same and it's not governed the same. So when they are in "uniform" they have the right to do whatever they like. I don't remember any athlete kneeling during a game, I remembered it being done before the game even starts so what is the problem? Men and women fought for our right to stand or not stand for the anthem so if it bothers anyone so much just change the channI. ..the national anthem is what....on for 2 mins before a game starts..I mean if we were to really look into what Americans are doing during the national anthem i am sure we will see plenty doing things other than standing and honoring the flag. And I will never understand how is asking for equality political... To me kneeling peacefully is a lot better than rioting n looting in my opinion.

Do your research....it's not hard to click on my name and see when and what I have posted here.

I am a blind Pats loyalist because I challenged you on a point you tried to make? Like don't turn around and get upset because someone decides to have a debate with you, whether you're talking bills or another team. Which you were talking about the patriots, I did nothing to be removed I didnt call you any names and didn't think I insulted you and i dont even remembered being negative about the bills franchise. The only thing i sat here and did as far as you are concern was correct your assumption you made. I have had plenty of peaceful back n forths with bills fans here, as I said i been here all season long. Apparently you can't take it. Well...just put me on ignore then, and I will just not pay attention to your posts myself since you get bent out of shape easily. Cool.

Ahh ok, but if you look, besides a handful of teams, the bar overall is not high. Every year it changes. The Eagles are how many years removed from their SB. Do they look like they are close to making another run? Seattle Seahawks had this over powering defense, and where are they now? Saints and Packers have HOF QBs and could only mustard one SB a piece. The bar overall is not very high and a lot of teams still can't get out of their own way. If the patriots can field a competitive team they can still be very successful because of who their coach is. Now i said can be very successful and I not talking about going on another 20 year run. No my post to you is not trying to attack. It was a general thought, i wasn't trying to come off as being abrasive to you, please do not take it that way.

See that's the problem....what they did would NEVER HAPPENED again! the league is not made that way and like you said lighting doesn't strike twice. But anyone with a brain is not thinking that way. the Organization itself ain't thinking that way. Of course the goal is to win a SB, its like that for every team. But it's far fetch to strive to duplicate that kind history. And seeing how you guys are acting, i know damn well you will be pist if they are still capable of winning a division title.

B.S. I hear this argument all the time, and then the follow up to this is * I spoke to a patriot fan the other day and they couldn't blah blah.* It's convenient that this scenario to a rival fan comes up and it's always followed by this example. Apparently you are coming across the wrong fan. Cause that is not the case even percentage wise. The team almost moved to connecticut back in 94 and it was fans who fought keep the team in Foxboro, Ma. I am sure there are fans born after 2000 that have a different perceptive obviously they never knew the bad times when their games weren't even televised but this selective examples are always funny to read from rival fans.

It's been one season bruh, ONE. As much as bills fan seem very scarred by not being able to compete over the years. You should wait more then just one season before thinking the Patriots are not able to compete anymore.

I think you should dig a little deeper in the "last dance" doc. if you honestly think Michael Jordan didn't have a hand in that doc you sound very misinformed. Which doesn't make a difference since I am pretty sure my point is pretty clear to you about that. You can harp on the PEDs all you want it truly doesn't matter to me, I just want to point out to you what you consider as wanting to be in "limelight" to an athlete is false. And winning 7 games with that roster is pretty impressive where as plenty of teams probably couldn't even drum up two wins..your last part about bill being an average coach is completely laughable without Tom Brady. He is consider the greatest if not one of the great coaches of all team..but random dude on the net says he is average...ha ha ok. And i been here since last season. ,

Sooo you want to argue semantics? How dare I say the bills "almost" lost. Really? that seems pretty petty to belly ache about how I addressed a game on top of the fact i acknowledge that the bills won. And " how the mighty have fallen?" I mean it's been one season and you are acting like it's been ten years and all the pats have mustard up in that time frame is 3rd place in the division. I really aint gonna pay attention to people b*tching about how the pats went about free agency.

And i said they won. Your point? New year...seems like some of you won' t be able to handle if the patriots are back being competitive in the division.

Oh this is gonna be fun.... point by point. Tom Brady just did "Tom versus Time" Michael Jordan just had his 3 part series "the last dance" where he had full control over what was produced, what was said and he was the narrator to it all. If you watched it you will literally see the guys behind the camera showing him stuff to comment on with a ipad. Lebron James just did a documentary produced about his son and AAU basketball. Also space jam 2 he is listed as producer along with his production team. Cam Newton has a documentary out about his come back done by "his" people. and there are countless athletes doing podcast... Opposing fans journey to other fans message board. It's not a new thing it happens quite often around the NFL fans message boards. And I didn't start this thread. A bills poster did. You can stay blind to it all, but Edelman doesn't have a bad reputation outside of rival fans, nobody in an NFL circle brings up his PED use. and I am only addressing this to you because i have no problem with the Bills and majority of their fanbase. But that's great you beat the pats twice last year(almost lost the first game) but you have a long away to go to make up for the 20 years that you seem so hurt about, and you have no guarantee on what the coming season will be for both teams, so really i do not have to comment any further on that.

No..no dont get me wrong. I am not arguing for him to be in the HOF. I was just saying I have heard different NFL outlets have the debate and stated if there is an argument for him it would be off his playoffs stats. But "IF" though.

Ok let me say this a lot slower.....you commented on him having a tough time being out of the limelight and you brought up because he made a documentary of his self. which at this time and age, athletes do a lot of that and that is also the only thing you can point at as evidence of him being in the "limelight". That is not enough to support your argument/opinion. You can cry all you want about the PEDs and all that other crap. As i said he was never the first and surely wont be the last. And i am pretty sure he is looked at as a positive role model, it would be that rival fan that got blasted by the team for over 20 years who will take it to the extreme. This ain't church league.

That was Welker not Edelman.

if there is a case, or even if he gets in it would be off his playoff performances(stat) if he does. I have heard this debate on diff NFL outlets....if there is even a slim chance.

Nah I know exactly where I am at. and for the most part this site and a lot of the posters here have been great so i like to come here, every now and then i just call people out on their b.s. and your comment fit the bill(no pun intended) to a tee.

Oh yes they are, no doubt about that! I am sure they will retire as bills, at least they should.