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I'm sure we all want that, but how do your wants prove Josh peaked in 2020 and hasn't improved in any of these factors since then?

Since you offer as evidence Josh Allen's season stats from pro-football-reference.com, I'll offer you an opportunity; please share exactly what it is about those season stats that you believe proves Josh "peaked in 2020"? Please also loop back and give your answer to the evidence I presented elsewhere: in the 2021 season, Josh scored a TD on every drive vs NE against the playoffs on 1-15-2022 - a performance so outstanding it moved "student of the game" HOF coach Bill Belicheck to visit the Bills locker room after the game to offer congrats. He then completed 73% of his 37 passing attempts for 329 yds and 4 TDs against KC the following week. These are objectively far better results than the 2020 playoffs vs Indy, Bal, and KC. Please explain these statistical results in light of your hypothesis that Josh "peaked" in 2020 as well as from watching all of these games. I pointed this out before, I don't believe I saw a cogent argument from you in response, but perhaps I missed it.

Facts: Diggs was 4 receptions on 10 targets (a catch % of 40%) in that Bengals game. Knox was 5 of 7 for 65 yds. Shakir was 2 of 2 for 40. Milano had 10 tackles, a PD, 2 tackles for loss, and a sack. Obviously Diggs was the only one who wanted to win that game.

This is like a narrative from a fan "romance novel" section. Tanya Harding is the "toughest girl" skater because her husband kneecaps the opposition. Baloney, all those sequined little jumping jacks are tough as nails to take fall after fall after fall on ***** ice and get up and try again day after day. Brady refusing to shake hands with his opponent after he loses and it's justified as he somehow just hates losing so much more than anybody else. That's a big crock. He just never bothered to force himself into the basic form of good sportsmanship once he got famous enough to get away with it, until Fitz chased him down on the sideline one day. Plenty of guys on that Bills team wanted desperately to win, every bit as badly as Diggs did. Diggs just behaved worse than everybody else, during and after the game. He missed catches he could have made. He doesn't acknowledge his mistakes or take public accountability for them. Allen chose to throw to Davis, who had the ball knocked away on a very good play by the defender, and Diggs chose to try to distract Allen by yelling at him, when he's sitting with his QB coach working on decoding the Bengals coverage. Wow, that sure SHOWS US that he's the ONLY ONE ON THE TEAM WHO WANTS TO WIN! Where do you even come up with this stuff?

Negative. After trading a next year's 2nd round pick for a WR under contract for 3 or 4 more years at a reasonable (to them) cap since the Bills ate all his amortized bonus.....Houston turned around and VOIDED all the additional years of Diggs contract, adding his guaranteed money for next year into this year. They then converted most of his salary to signing bonus to pay him up front and amortized it over 4 void years (meaningless, unless they re-sign him) So Houston now traded a 2nd round pick next year, for a 1 year rental at a total cost of $22.5M fully guaranteed, structured as $5.88M this season and a $16.64M dead cap hit next season. Basically, Houston went "all in" to make sure Diggs would be as happy as possible this season; Diggs structured his contract to make sure Houston has cap space this season at the cost to them of a huge dead cap hit next season. Can't make this stuff up https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/stefon-diggs-16872/

He's got a good voice and a good sense of rhythm but that guitar playing.....eeeek! (doesn't help that it's over mic'd relative to his voice) Some folks here got a Brudda from Another Mudda in the replies: "instead of singing learn to throw better you neanderthal"

Who the hell is his QB? Just as I watched Mason Rudolph and James Washington jumped out at me - watching this film "who is that QB?" jumped out at me. Penix, right? Polk does make it look like he just pressed a big red "easy" button when it came to catching those bombs, though.

Correct on Beasley; his comment was in response to a meme suggesting that Allen, like Iowa's Caitlin Clark, was being expected to win it without talent around him. Beasley's point was that from 2019 on, Allen had talent at WR. He's not wrong, albeit whether it's been "enough" talent either in 2019 with himself and Brown but not Diggs or a Diggs equivalent, or in 2022 as he and Sanders were gone and Davis/McKenzie were expected to step up (and did so inadequately), is a fair ask

What do you think of the suggested trade up, though (swap 1sts, Bills give up a 2nd next year and 2 4th round picks this draft)

So question: do you think he plays faster than his 40 time? I sometimes think too much is made of the "underwear olympics". Not that speed isn't important, but as you note, there are guys who put up fast 40 times, but who just don't have burst off the line or suddenness when changing direction. Some scouts seem to think that Polk has burst, strength, and explosiveness which may be more important to NFL success in a WR than just ability to run fast 40 yds in a straight line.

OK, point made Ooooh, not good - Sorry Elam, but you were making technical mistakes during pre-season. New DB coach got to put the oven mitts on ya.

Not to mention he fumbled a catch and let a ball go through his hands earlier in that very game

You're shooting your shot wide right here. Greg Cosell is not a click-bait headline generator, and he stays relevant because of the widespread respect he's built across the league as a film analyst for literally 40 years.

Oh, Decisions Decisions. Who to believe, professional tape watchers like Greg Cosell who say unambiguously that Diggs is no longer a #1 WR at this point in his career, because he has lost the abilities to separate more than 10 yds past the line of scrimmage? Or someone whose chosen screen name leads off with "Bull"?

https://www.howtopronounce.com/adonai Your choice Well, then - Boom or Bust guy with immense physical talent, who may or may not respond well to coaching Beane saying:

Former St Louis Cardinals fans be like:

True, but since he was pick #32 of the 2001 draft some have argued that's effectively 1st round. I would also like to know this.

That's actually not a bad thought - the "Jerry Hughes for Kelvin Sheppard" phenomenon. I think McDermott has been on record multiple times stating that players really develop and take a step in their 3rd season. So I think the Bills still harbor hopes for Elam developing. Time will tell.

They drafted Elam in the first round because 1) he was legit regarded as a 1st round prospect 2) it's Beane's 'jam' to value traits you can't "coach up" - athletic skills - over a high level of demonstrated performance in college where the system, talent, and opposition are more variable. It's one of the ways Beane tries to compensate for having a team that has been winning and therefore drafting near the bottom of each round for the last 5 years. It's why we got players like Rousseau, who had a high physical ceiling but only played 14 (fourteen!) games in college. And FWIW Rousseau grades higher than any other DL taken in that draft by PFR's wAV metric (higher than Jaelen Phillips and Kwity Paye who were drafted above him). Then there's Josh Allen, who we all know about as a high ceiling, sub-basement floor prospect It's great when it works, and of course subject to second-guessing when it doesn't. But the opposite tactic - taking a guy with a high level of demonstrated performance in college, but who may be near his "ceiling" and not able to make the jump to perform at the NFL level against more uniform talent on the opposition - has its pitfalls too. Witness Boogie Basham. And then there's the injury wildcard. I do think that Beane needs to adjust his drafting strategy somewhat. He's been very free with trading 3rd and 4th round picks to move up, partly on the theory that the roster was pretty well set so, it's worth it to go after a guy you really want vs. taking on more players who may not have a legit chance to make the roster. Except now, our roster is not pretty well set so we need those rookies to come in and 'bring it', so I think Beane should assign a higher value to those 4th round picks.

I think what you're describing is "the blessing and the curse" of fandom. It's like when some here point out that we watch almost every snap of Josh Allen, but maybe only highlight reels and occasional games of other QBs. So some here get hyper-critical of mistakes that Josh is making and fail to realize that every QB makes mistakes and has bad plays as well as good or brilliant plays - it's the overall balance. So you're watching game after game of Elam, but perhaps not watching game after game of the other DBs in the draft and the other players in the draft. But the scouts are watching film of many players and looking for that balance. I'm not trying to argue that you're wrong about Elam, BTW, just that ascribing the pick to "hubris by the Bills staff and FO" is probably not a reasonable take on your part, given the above.

There's no talkin'

You can project that, but the fact is, Kelce had been in the league for 5 years and had 2 - 1000+ yd seasons before Mahomes took the reins. Do you really want to try to make the argument that every 5th year player with 2 seasons with 80+ receptions and 1000+ yds is "on a HoF trajectory"? Do you know how many receivers would be placed on that track with those parameters? Mahomes took over and Kelce had an immediate bump - from 80+ to 100+ receptions, from 1000+ to 1200, 1300, 1400 yds.

Can I ride shotgun in your Lambo?

With all respect to Ayjent, here is Kaiir Elam's draft profile: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kaiir-elam/3200454c-4155-0002-a198-92eda6859fa9 He wasn't regarded as a Day 1 starter, but he was regarded as physically talented and projected to go in the 1st. https://gatorswire.usatoday.com/2021/11/17/florida-football-kaiir-elam-espn-draft-mock/ https://www.si.com/college/florida/football/florida-gators-kaiir-elam-mock-draft-br-top-ten https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Kaiir-Elam-DB-Florida Now of course, all these pundits who don't have accountability should be taken with a grain of salt, but the point is, he wasn't regarded as a reach in the 1st and some even predicted him as a top-10 or first-half of the 1st pick.

You can say anything you like, and stand by anything you like, but you need to bring some receipts to show that Andy Reid was regarded as a HOF offensive HC before Mahomes. Same with Kelce and Hill - they were regarded as talented, but factually Kelce had 1 - 1000+ yd season in 4 years before Mahomes was drafted. That ain't the Highway to the Hall. Similar with Hill - his rookie year, before Mahomes was drafted, 61 receptions for 595 yds. They both had good years while Mahomes was 'watching and learning' on the bench his rookie season, but a single 1183 yd, 75 reception season for Hill and 2 1000+ yd seasons in 5 years does not make a HOF receiver. It's a bit of a strange "Hill to die on" for making your "factual statement" stake