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I didn't, but this is actually a pretty great case study in box score reading. (by the way, the box scores on pro football reference are currently AFU) Bottom line: ST miscues by NOR, giving up field position, and failing to punch the ball into the endzone when they had the chance. Field position: 1st possession: NOR tried to be Dan Campbell-style aggressive, going for it on 4th down on their first drive. Result: SEA ball at SEA 45. TD in 6 plays. ST was big: 2nd possession: punt from their own 29 after 3 and out, SEA returned the punt for a TD 3rd possession: punt from their own 30, SEA blocks and recovers the ball on the 11 yd line, punches it in in 2 plays At that point it was 21-0 and they weren't out of the 1st Q. And next possession started with a 60 yd KR. NOR had 3 nice, long sustained drives in the 1st half: 65, 42, and 69 yds and came away with 6 points total (2 FG and a missed FG) 1st FG was after 1st and 10 from the SEA 15 2nd attempted (NG) FG from SEA 33, so SEA got the ball at the 42 yd line 3rd FG 1st and 10 from the SEA 20, but only 13 seconds in the half. If they'd have managed to punch those drives in, could have been a much closer game.

Dude, you're funny. Violating rules is, in fact, a form of cheating. The fact that it's taking place on many plays in the hope the refs don't call it, doesn't change that fact. The fact that it's motivated by hoping to gain an advantage doesn't make it not cheating, either. That's the motivation for most cheating: trying to gain some advantage in the belief that it's likely to go undetected or unpunished. No argument there. Actually, it's more his constant and continuous "illegal formation" positioning that gets to me. And yes, I would say that's also cheating.

In somewhat defense of Daboll, he had some awful teams to work with as OC. Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson under Eric Mangini with the Browns - ugh. 2011 with Matt Moore on the Dolphins, he managed a decent offense. 2012 Chiefs, he had Matt "Noodle Arm" Cassel who thought his excrement had no odor and the team as a whole has all kinds of stories about putting the dys in dysfunctional under Scott Pioli. There's a reason Romeo Crennel and Eric Mangini haven't gotten head coaching opportunities since (though I guess Crennel did with Houston in 2020). I've had people argue with this POV, but I think Daboll got a bit full of himself in Buffalo with Allen. I think he got to believing he could mold any QB with an arm and some running ability (like Daniel Jones) into Josh Allen. Allen could handle Daboll's form of coaching; not every player can. Daboll in Buffalo managed to have a good offense (with some spectacular failures like the Jags loss and the season opener loss to Pittsburgh) even though he seemingly said "Lalala" with his fingers in his ears any time McDermott told him that the Bills needed a competent run game. Then, when Daboll went to the Giants and had success his first year 2022, it appears his ego just exploded. There's a saying "nothing fails like success" and I think winning COTY in 2022 led to a feeling of entitlement. Some references to back up the above: https://sports.yahoo.com/ms-silver_colt_mccoy_browns_brian_daboll_112411.html https://giantswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2024/06/28/ex-new-york-giants-coach-on-brian-daboll-we-were-all-trying-to-get-out/79593871007/ (This is about 2023) I wish Jaxon Dart the best. Do you think Wilson was the sum total of the Giants offensive struggles?

In other news, Water is Wet. It's violating an NFL rule. It's a penalty by rule. I guess it depends on if you want to call violating a rule cheating or not. You do you, but it is against the rules. Yes.

I think you should get the ban-hammer for this thread topic. 20-0 Baby!

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Detroit confused Lamar very successfully with delayed rushers (or keeping multiple "spys" Am I wrong that the Ravens got away from the rush? Only 85 yds on the ground.....were the Lions just crowding the box all night to bait the Poe-birds into passing, then smothering Lamar? 4 rushing 1st downs (all 4 in the 1st half) 19 rushing plays (11 in the first half, only 8 rush plays in the 2nd half) 85 yds on the ground (66 of them in the first half - only 9 rush yards in the entire 2nd half, WAT?) Looking at it ...the Lions were just smothering the Ravens rush offense in the 2nd half. 2 yds, 4 yds, 3 yds, 3 yds, 3 yds...several sacks near or at the LOS that may have been LJax rush attempts. Wow.

There were a lot of habits Josh had, and a number of habits he apparently didn't have, when Daboll was here. We'll see what happens with Daniel Jones in Indy, but from early returns one does kinda got to wonder if you have a point and Josh developed to some extent, "in spite of", instead of "because of"

But isn't it a bit strange to attribute him being the "new shiny object" in his 6th season, to not having lived up to his potential before, when he actually performed (arguably) better in this first 3 games of 2023?

You could watch their D visibly wilt after Wilson's 2nd interception. They were on the KC 23, they should have at least come away with a FG and gone into halftime with a 9-6 lead I think there's more to it. I think when Wilson was younger, he took more coaching. He also had players to match his skillset. I think towards the end of his time with Seattle, he had become entitled and felt he was above both his teammates AND hard coaching. Remember "I'm the best QB in the league right now" and "Let Russ Cook"?

It's. Week. 4. Herbert had more passing yards (939) and as many passing TDs (6) in the first 3 games of 2023, plus fewer sacks and no INT

No he doesn't. It's before the trading deadline and he's completed 6 seasons in the NFL

Since when is Herbert the new shiny object? This is his 6th year in the league. We're going into week 4, plenty of season to play out good or bad. Their D was excellent. But it starts with being assignment sound.

Now That was a very good football game. The Lions D put on a Clinic for the importance of Mind Your Gap and how to tackle, and it won for them in the end.

I maintain that Brian Daboll has naughty pictures of John Mara There's also the fact that Daniel Jones looks like a totally different QB so far in Indy. He looks natural, at ease, poised, and confident. Time will tell.

I think @Simon would smite that I SMH over the decision to acquire Wilson after last year on the Steelers. Course, I SMH over the Steelers decision to acquire Wilson for last season AND the Steelers decision to hang their hopes on Rodgers. So we'll see.

That's how I heard it. Josh was talking about grass vs turf and said he has a couple turf burns on his legs that make him really like grass. Then he turned to the double entendre about McAfee (well known for his marijuana use as a player and as a podcast host) liking grass and McAfee ack'd it saying he was in a medical only state but they'd get a card somehow.

You are ON to him. That's exactly what Pat was setting up, and Josh was not taking the bait.

Jones looked good. Solid. Give it more than 3 games. LOL at how Collinsworth and his sidekick kept going on and on fluffing up how excited the Giants were about Dart.

That's hysterically funny but also too close to truth for many of us dealing with our health insurance

Easily. Good Golly Miss Molly that game was hard to watch. I will give Mahomes props for that play. Stud play and it fired up his team I think. But Wilson and the Giants offense repeated ineptitude sucked the heart right out of the Giants offense. Can he do anything but throw moonballs up for grabs these days? I see no lies

Did you actually write this yourself, or are you quoting someone else's writing? Clever if the former

It's pretty common on this board that folks think players they don't like somehow have tremendous trade value to other teams. This is the last year of Epenesa's contract. Players on the last year of their contract generally don't have tremendous trade value unless they're "that special player" the other team sees as the "missing piece" this season. If he's not a special player here, why would other teams see him that way? Epenesa was a 2nd round pick and if he's not in the Bills future, he ought to bring a compensatory draft pick. Vested veterans don't typically come down with "mysterious injuries" that put them on IR. That's for drafted rookies who would otherwise be cut and have to compete for a PS slot here or elsewhere (instead of getting the higher rate of pay on the rookie scale and having a "home"). Why would Daquon go along with that, in the last year of his contract when he probably wants to show that at 34, he's still got some decent play?

LOL actually I didn't see Hard Knocks Ramsey I grant, but hasn't he a history of being "the disaffected" everywhere he's gone? IDK, I hear Sexy Rexy coming for McDaniel and calling him "nerd boy" but it's hard for me to take him too seriously. I mean, Rex himself should know a team that lacks physicality and doesn't play with passion? Personally my take is "Vitamin W deficiency" and I just hope they don't get a dose on us.

Will Jaylen Waddle Follow Storm Duck to the bench? Squish the Stinkin' Fish

I actually thought the Jets D played pretty well. Seemed to me they had a very aggressive pass rush and very aggressive pass coverage. They got bitten a bit because of Josh's pocket presence and escapability, and because the refs actually called a few DH penalties and a RTP on them. On the other hand, they got Josh for two intentional groundings (rare) and our WR for an OPI and OH.