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1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
Tua predetermines most of his throws too. Works out most of the time with their receivers.
It’s his first read every time…they’re gonna end up givin the dude a huge deal and I feel like most competent veterans can do what he’s doing with the dolphins roster
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1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said:
I think you gotta blitz Tua. He’s not a good athlete and he doesn’t have good arm strength on the run. You can’t let him sit back there and throw in rhythm. If you give up a couple big plays so be it.
I don’t even know how unless you’re gonna try to press…tua is getting the ball out pretty much instantly
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3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:
No you’re definitely right in that sense.
But i think that’s the game plan against any great offence.
Make them go down the length of the field, play cover 2 high etc.
The part that sucks it looks like Miami has entered that elite category on offence if that’s how defences are playing them
I think teams know their shtick is going to be considerably less effective with the back of the end zone as a defender so it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to try to press their receivers or anything. If you try to press tyreek and whiff it’s a free 7 points I’d rather make them work for it.
tonight’s kind of a perfect example, they’ve gone up and down the field all night and if the pats had a lick of competent offense it would be a close game
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1 hour ago, MPL said:
Don't the Bengals start 0-2 every year?
They also have developed another trend of getting whooped by the browns seeming every time lol can’t imagine giving a qb big money that gets absolutely owned by a division rival.
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18 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:
That was an educational game for Allen. Showed him how good he and the offense can be when he doesn't force it. Hope it stays with him now
Hopefully it translates when he sees a defense like the jets again…I’m sure he never felt like he had to force anything in this one lol
all the underneath stuff/the running game was working today but the jets were all over both those things and it seemed to psych josh out a bit.
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18 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:
Cheifs not looking quite so dominant and Kelce only has 1 catch for 7 yards in the first half.
Do we dare dream that Kelce is in decline?
Their oline and wrs are sure in decline lol
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Think he just faced two real tough defenses in a row in cincy and NYJ
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Just now, streetkings01 said:
Offensive line looks terrible!
Side note ……nice seeing Koonce in a NFL jersey…….I remember him as a young man growing up in my hometown Peekskill!
Seemed like they held up pretty well on that 3rd down play 🤷♂️
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1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said:
The safety was lined up with such inside leverage, Josh was "baited" into that throw. @Beck Water pointed out, we've ran that route concept ALOT.
Gabe's route was just average. With the safety lined up that far inside Gabe was getting to his "spot". Yes it was 'rounded off' route, but Josh put that ball in a horrible spot AND late (bigger problem in general).
I thought Diggs was coming open on the underneath crosser, would have to go back and watch.
But to me, this was another 90% Josh mistake. Gabe could have ran a better route, ball was still late though. Dorsey could have dialed up something better. But if Diggs is coming open (as I expect to see), it's mostly all on Josh. He wasn't seeing the field well and made poor decisions. Same story as end of LY.
(Not directed at you, but just thoughts):
There were a few moments Josh "anticipated" and made great reads. The Diggs pass down the seam in 1st half, then the end of 4th qtr drive was amazing. That's what he's capable of every drive and what he should be doing. Somehow he's become hesitant/lacking confidence/too emotionally low at times/in his own head...thats where the coaches and leaders need to sit him down. Week 1 is just week 1, but it becomes concerning when it's a "mini trend" (Bengals game to this one).
Agree to disagree I guess…route looked far from average to me. Throw was off target though no question…wouldn’t disagree with that at all. I’m not trying to put all the blame on Davis by any means…this all came up in the context of ‘josh stared him down which caused the int’
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10 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Good grief. Of course the route chart from one individual game isn't all the Jets are looking at. You said that Davis is always running go routes.
The point is, he's not.
The second point is, the defense, the safety in particular, isn't looking at Davis routes in isolation. They are looking at patterns, route combinations. What are the other receivers running?
I'm not sure what "last play against the Ravens a few years back" you're talking about. I think you might be confused between Davis and another, sometimes un-crisp route runner John Brown and the 2019 Ravens game. There was a last play where Brown was unable to pull in a contested catch in tight coverage where it was clear if he'd run a better route, he could probably have gained some separation and made the catch. Our two more recent games against the Ravens have been wins, and Gabe Davis was not involved in the last couple of series much less a "last play".
I mean that first part was a bit of a joke I don’t think it was worthy of a good grief 😂. But the point is he predominantly runs go routes when you look at the season statistics and easily could have sold one there had he put in any amount of effort. This idea that he has run so many corner routes that it is telegraphed is a massive over exaggeration imo and cherry picking one single game route chart doesn’t prove anything. And to the pats fans original point, ‘staring down a receiver’ does not give away the route when the throw is out before he makes his break. If anything, it could further make the defense think a go route is coming.
Ah yes that was brown you are correct. Either way davis’ terrible route last night reminded me of that. It is objectively an issue with Davis that has cropped up quite a few times but I definitely misidentified him on that play for which I apologize.
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12 minutes ago, cgg716 said:
D got eaten alive on the ground, good pressure yes, but if that's what you give up against Wilson, just wait until a real qb is on the schedule.
Kincaid and Elam are examples of the disconnect between the FO and the coaches. 2 TE offense should help in pass blocking and the run game, with lots of play action and runs from under center, like Gronk/Hernandez way back when, that won't work out of shotgun. And elam is a press man corner, doesn't fit into this trash scheme either. Beane definitely knew these things, and drafted them hoping for change, and stubborn clappy didn't budge
Maybe this is a philosophical thing that I differ in, but giving up yards in the middle of the field doesn’t matter a whole lot if you’re tightening things up on your side of the field. Seemed to be the case last night.
Kincaid looked good last night to me…he was open all night and on the field a ton. 55 snaps and 38 routes. Not his fault joshs brain somehow disintegrated at halftime.
Gotta completely disagree with you on that one. Wouldn’t disagree about elam though I’m assuming they thought he was coachable to be a scheme fit but it may not have worked out
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9 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
I’m too dumb to know how to add pics here haha but cover 1 has his route percentage at nine route 19% of the time and corner 5.6%, post 15.3% for last season. Shouldn’t have been too hard for him to sell a go route there he just made absolutely zero effort. Kind of reminds me of that last play against the ravens a few years back where he ran a very much uncrisp slant route and couldn’t beat the single coverage
not sure a route chart from one individual game from 2022 is all the jets are lookin at lol
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3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Dude, get off his eyes, they don't matter here. The defense watches film. The Bills and Allen have become too predictable.
What exactly else, what other routes, did Allen have to look at, that you believe would have moved the defense?
You are correct.
The problem with the read is, the safety knew he could jump the route because it's been on film with Allen to Davis, a bit too often.
And if the Bills don't fix this, and fix this fast, every other safety they play is going to be watching for that.
Idk gabe seems like he’s almost always running gos to me lol maybe that’s anecdotal and I only pay attention to him when he’s running deep though
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1 minute ago, Beck Water said:
You're correct that there was no "staring down of receivers", but staring down or not, other teams have seen that scene from the movie before - the one where Josh hangs in and is gonna throw it deep to Diggs (or Davis) regardless. The safety knows there are pickings to be had and where they're gonna be.
It's true that Davis did not run a route that faked out the safety, but here's the thing - that's a route that Davis has run (and Josh has burnt teams with) a few too many times. Davis could have had shifty hips like Diggs and the safety would have been "Not Today, Fella".
There's a phrase "going to the well once too often". In this case, it's going to the well many times too often.
Gabe is wide open if he runs a crisp route there literally for the reasons you mentioned earlier in the post lol other teams have seen the movie before and he’s usually running a ton of go routes. Probably the laziest route I’ve ever seen. Still an off target throw though
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1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:
All 3 INT he never took his eyes off the receiver.. All 3! Yes 2 were deeper but he never used his eyes to move the defense.
Lol I’m not objecting to them being bad decisions but I think looking off the receiver was low on the list of problems with those two deep ones 😂
the pick to gabe was a horrendous route…the safety knew exactly where gabe was going from the snap...I don’t think any amount of looking off changes that one. I’m fine with that read though
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12 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:
EVERY QB will go into the Jets game with simple instructions not to turn the ball over.. throw it away/take the sack.. etc. the Jets D is good but they were helped by dumb mistakes like staring down the receiver before throwing the ball.
I’m genuinely confused at which play you’re referencing lol two of the picks were bombs into double coverage and one was a play where the ball has to come out before Davis made his break. It was the right read but the throw was too far inside and Davis ran an absolutely atrocious route as he often does. The safety had no business being on that route gabe just made no effort selling that he was going deep
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Teams that can get a ton of pressure with 4 and stay disciplined enough to plug up his running lanes are always gonna give him trouble..I think he’s just gotta learn to turn into a game manager in those situations.
unfortunately for us we’ve seen it twice in a row now with the bengals and jets.
this team just doesn’t seem built well to overcome that, feels like we were only focusing on the chiefs then a bunch of other teams came up with really disciplined defenses. The no running game is an absolute killer
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Just now, Buffalo03 said:
The Bills had a good oline in 2020 and 2021?
Certainly better than last year and it’s hardly debatable. Ok/pretty bad can still be much better than awful lol
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4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:
The offensive production is because of Allen… not the “talent” around him… but when his head is in scrambled egg mode you get what you saw last night.
Seems to me that when things aren’t going his way he tries to do even more himself to get a shot at redemption and sometimes it snowballs like last night.
3 minutes ago, VaMilBill said:Not a knee jerk reaction. Some here were calling for Dorsey to be canned after last season.
I agree on the daboll point. I personally think he’s overrated and an above average OC but nothing special.
I know they don’t grow on trees, but we need someone from the shanahan scheme that can scheme this offensive to success and not rely on josh to make amazing plays all the time.
Josh trying to be elite and make splash plays constantly is an indictment of Dorsey’s scheme. Josh doesn’t believe in it and thinks he has to take things into his own hands.
Well yea if you agree with the Daboll point I take no issue 😂. Dorsey isn’t noticeably worse than Daboll is all I was saying…doesn’t bother me where people want to rank both those guys
daboll just surprised first year as a head coach so people are elevating what he did with the bills. I think it’s likely gonna come crashing back to earth this year though
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1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:
If you watch the replay, it's easy to see the guy didn't swing his leg. It was an effort at a low block--certainly the way everyone here would have called it if it was the Bills game winning return.
That may have been his intent but it was absolutely unquestionably a trip lol idk how anyone can say otherwise. Jets more than likely still go on to win regardless though so it doesn’t mean much
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4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
It's more frequent now. You're telling me he hasn't been worse the last 2 years ever since he started to get more popular and star in commercials? He's getting a big head. He did literally next to nothing commercial wise or popularity wise in 2020 or 2021 which, ironically were his 2 best seasons
Yes I am lol. If you gave him the 2020/2021 bills oline last year he is the mvp bad elbow and all and the bills have a chance at 17-0…it has nothing to do with commercials.
when you have disciplined linebackers that can plug up his rushing lanes and pressure him with 4 he’s gonna struggle…he always has. the jets did both those things extremely well as did the bengals in the playoff game
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9 hours ago, peterpan said:
Allen is obviously regressing BAD. It was evident last year with Daboll gone.
allen obviously needs better coaching, and I believe that can only happen with an offense head coach who will be here for a long time.
I still cannot fathom this point…seems like a knee jerk reaction after a bad game. There were plenty of games with Daboll here where the offense was useless and now that he’s gone people are misremembering imo. This board was constantly criticizing Dabolls playcalling and mostly happy when he left.
the offense was statistically great last year despite having two horrendous offensive linemen and a qb with a bum elbow for half the season…it has nothing to do with Daboll leaving
teams like the jets and prime tj watt Steelers have always given josh problems
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1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:
It's more a case of making an example of Josh - you're not listening so sit down and think on it - rather than expecting anything good out of Kyle, to be honest.
The question is how would Josh deal with public humiliation from the coaching team? Will it help him reset or just make him more nervous and desperate? Again, the coaches have to make the right choice.
You think public humiliation will help him mentally? Haha it’s all kind of moot because there’s a 0% chance they do this
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7 hours ago, Bleedingreennc said:
A great run defense isn't needed to win a SB? I would figure a team facing Zach Wilson would be able to stop the run considering that dude can't pass worth *****. I would be stacking the line against him. So yes, a great run defense is necessary to win a SB. It forces the other team to throw more and make more mistakes.
I can kind of see both sides…maybe people are used to the chiefs who can’t run the football against a light box.. it’s a lot more nuanced than ‘oh you know they’re gonna run it should be easy to stop’ though too. There’s a lot of different ways a running play can be presented. Bills gave up some big runs last night but that’s gonna happen every now and then when a team is hammering the run. They also make plenty of huge stops in the backfield too
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Fish v. Pats
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Almost did that too fast lol 3 minute drive there and a td and the game is over. It’s verrrry likely over anyway so that is just splitting hairs at this point