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16 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Some of us did not like the 2022 offseason at the time and it has proven to be pretty much an unmitigated disaster:
Free Agent signings:
Jordan Phillips - $5m
Tim Settle - $9m
Daquan Jones - $14m
Von Miller - $120m
Roger Saffold - $6.25m
Ryan Bates - $17m
OJ Howard - $3.5m
Jameson Crowder - $2m
Extension:
Stefon Diggs - $96m
First round pick:
Kaiir Elam
I know he had some decent success with some of his later picks - Cook, Bernard, Benford - but it is by any standards a bit of a disaster of an offseason.
Mixed bag I’d say…overall it’s bad but ‘unmitigated disaster’ is a stretch imo.
They got 5 current starters all in the good-great range that year (shakir,cook,Bernard,benford,Daquan jones)
von is complicated, if he had underwhelmed his whole time here I’d put 100% of the blame on beane but von was an absolute beast pre injury. Maybe he bounces back a bit, time will tell. Tre was virtually useless the season after his knee injury and looked exponentially better the season after that-
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7 minutes ago, Mat68 said:
Diggs will be productive in Hou. Curious how his target share will look. Averaging 160 targets over 4 years is an incredible amount. Even the games he did not produce he had his targets. Imo Allen will benefit from being the guy on offense. Every skill player in the draft will be over the moon to play with Allen. Hit the open guy, win and move on. Everything else is just noise.
Last year even some of his big games were horribly inefficient imo. When you’re getting 16 targets against the giants, you’d expect more than 100 receiving yards and 0 tds I’d think.
that stretch of Jax-Tampa where stuff went really sideways for the offense was too many Diggs targets with too little return imo. A lot of his damage against Jax was with the game pretty much over already
5 minutes ago, Mat68 said:What will they do with Dell?
I really don’t understand why they did this for this reason lol like they got a good deal for diggs but there’s a nonzero chance it blows up on them
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6 minutes ago, Andy1 said:
I think Diggs probably has wanted out since last year and Bills knew he wasn’t going to play nice with a new alpha receiver the Bills plan on drafting. That would only make the diva drama worse so it was time to cut the cord now for team chemistry. Diggs is on the downside of his career trajectory. Some alphas can’t live with another alpha. He probably wanted no part of teaching his replacement. That’s just the way uber competitive guys are sometimes.
I agree with that this and for that reason can’t imagine things will go better for him in Houston after the honeymoon period is over
I think you could make the case hes the third best receiver there right now
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13 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
This guy is a joke.
Bills even with their struggles probably win 14+ games playing a last place afc south schedule last year without Diggs lol
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14 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:
not surprised by the move. a bit surprised there was a trade partner. his salary is immense for the production he put out last season along with his age. not going to pretend to know what was going on behind the scenes at OBD, but, Diggs was a pro, a team captain, took a pounding and always showed up, until recently. maybe he wanted out, maybe he dogged it a bit to force his way out. we do know that he wants to play with his brother, so moving onto Texas at least gets him closer. ty for your time here Stefon, was exciting nearly every week.
to all those that see this as an incoming homerun swing into the top 5 to nab a receiver, be careful, receiver is the hardest spot to transition from college to the pros. top guys flame out or take years to produce, all the time. sure theres been a handful of guys lately that were plug and play, but thats not the norm. short of grabbing Harrison Jr, i wouldnt even bother. ideally what you want to do is exactly what Beane did those years ago with Diggs, you want to find an established guy 1 or 2 years into showing consistency, and trade for that. the draft is a crap shoot.
Looking backwards to what diggs used to be makes it a bad trade, if you extrapolate diggs’ 2023 finish to this season it’s a good trade…his value would’ve tanked. Nobody would’ve taken him on and we would’ve been tied up with a mentally checked out 30+ year old wr
A lot of the review depends on how diggs plays this season and even if he has a bounce back year with Houston we’ll never know for sure if that would’ve happened here.
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5 minutes ago, Mango said:
Diggs was a better teammate this year than I thought he would be. He had some outbursts in the past. But I also think part of that was him being a good soldier to get out.
I think the hope is for the offense to be more in line with the the old NE and current KC offenses that feature the TE, pass catching RB's, and slot receivers.
That said, I think they want Shakir on the outside, but I won't be shocked if he takes over for Samuel inside. I am pretty high on KS.Oh yea I don’t mean he’s gonna have public outbursts, it seems like his fire is gone and he’s just goin through the motions when someone else is featured in the offensive gameplan. He just seemed less willing to fight through jams/make contested catches whenever I’d be watching him…could be anecdotal/wishful thinking now that he’s gone for sure though 😂
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Just now, NickelCity said:
Diggs is going to be SOLID this year. A motivated Diggs is a force.
That's agnostic of my feelings on the trade.
I think each pass that someone not named diggs catches cuts into diggs’ personal motivation a small percentage lol it’s gonna happen pretty quickly in HoustonIn public statements though he’ll be a good teammate to try to disprove the diva label but over time that will fall by the wayside too
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1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:
I still think Diggs is better. Put Diggs on that team with all those HOF, what’s it look like? No slight on Reed…Diggs to me is the best we ever had
I don’t think diggs is the same when he’s not the main dude though which seems to be the issue imo…I’m really interested to see what happens in Houston where he likely isn’t the first option
putting him on a team with other great offensive weapons seems to take away from diggs somehow 😂. Just my opinion though
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Just now, Cash said:
FWIW, I was fully on board with those trades at the time, even though I was bummed to lose Darby. Thought we got a good haul for both, and didn’t think Watkins would be much of a loss. (He wasn’t.)
I wasn’t happy about the Dareus trade, but that one was mostly wishful thinking on my part. Dareus was so good until he lost his motivation.
As for this trade? I’m not raging out or crying doom & gloom, but I’m not happy either. Just feels like we’re gonna be told that a 2nd next year is just as good as a 1st, when the Bills trade way up to get a guy who’s not as good as Diggs in 2024. Now, if we keep next year’s #1 and hit on our top WR pick anyway? That’ll change my tune a bit. Also if Diggs does nothing in Houston, that would recalibrate this trade for me.I think the ‘dareus was so good until he lost his motivation’ is exactly what happened to diggs honestly. The guy likes being a star but just doesn’t like playing the game anymore it seems like. When other players start becoming the focal point of the offense it likely doesn’t sit well with him. Felt like his effort level dropped right when Kincaid started makin a name for himself
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3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
Houston is building their team right. Going all in on OFFENSE. This is an offensive league and whoever scores the most points wins. The Bills are trying to run the ball more and play good defense. Someone needs to tell this isn't 2005
This kind of stuff always makes me chuckle when I read it. Chiefs defense stepping up in the playoffs is as responsible for their superbowl wins as their offense is.
Where is this supposed superstar receiver we just traded whenever we play the chiefs in the playoffs? oh yea….locked down by the chiefs secondary lol
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1 minute ago, BuffaloBill said:
You assume they take a step back - I do not see it that way - Diggs was a non factor in the second half of the season. The Bills have the opportunity to upgrade and move on.
So funny the way this board works…for months last season diggs was washed up,old, dead weight.. now that we trade him we let go of an apparent superstar lol
Houston is betting the change of scenery will help him but I’m not entirely sure.
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1 minute ago, BillsfaninChicago said:
In fairness I then proceeded to demonstrate that I have no idea what I am talking about…
It’s kind of an ironic ending that a massive wide open diggs drop caused ‘the process’ to fail last year lol
diggs wasn’t right for months…not sure if it’s his motivations and maybe new scenery will help him out but he just wasn’t nearly the same player the latter half of last year
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3 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
LOL, Samuel's had plenty of opportunity to be HUGE and has never even sniffed those results. 7 seasons to be precise.
The trade compensation was this year's 6th and next year's 2nd and 5th.
And you're right, Samuel's role is now HUGE, but honestly, anyone expecting that to materialize in the way that we need is going to be incredibly disappointed.
He ain’t gonna be any worse than diggs was the second half of last year to be fair 😂. This could be anything between ‘Texans fleeced us’ to ‘we fleeced the Texans’ depending on what diggs has left in the tank lol
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4 minutes ago, SCBills said:
I mean.. Diggs isn't prime Tyreek.
We're getting a '25 2nd Round pick, but it's the Vikings pick. Good chance that pick is in the top half of the 2nd Round next year.
Clearly part of the calculus is using a high pick next year to move up this year.
That’s what I’m thinking…the tyreek hill trade has warped everyone’s compensation ideas a bit. Diggs isn’t even remotely close to the player tyreek is at this stage in their careers
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3 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:
I don't mind trading Diggs and I like the cap relief next year... I think they were just done dealing with him tbh...
But the compensation is terrible and I don't care what anyone says... Not getting something in 2024 is a massive failure for Beane because this may very well be the best WR Draft in recent memory. Sure Beane can dig his way out of it. But come on... He could not even get them to throw in a 3rd this year? Houston has 42, 86, 123 and 127 this year! He could not get ONE of those picks in a WR heavy Draft? It's not great...
I’m assuming that second is getting used in a trade up package this year but you never know
I really don’t think it’s that off value wise assuming we’re getting at least a second…the tyreek hill trade just distorted everyone’s expectations. If diggs was 5 years younger it’s a travesty
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1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said:
Terrible return on this trade.
Diggs tanked his value as a parting gift to us lol. Dude was garbage for months
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2 hours ago, H2o said:
He's been consistently meh the last two years. I don't expect much more than a depth signing.
He’s your classic pretty good player that pff inexplicably hates 😂
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On 3/12/2024 at 6:36 PM, Saint Doug said:
Shocking. Didn’t he say he wanted to play for them while he was still under contract?
He sure did lol surprised people didn’t talk about that more
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17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Yeah Brown had a Davis-esque catch percentage of 50.5% last year. That's why he is signing a one year prove it deal.
It's a good signing for them though. He will give them at bare minimum a better version of MVS's role last year
I was just gonna say that lol. Like he has stats…much like Davis does, but based on opportunities both guys bungled they should be even better than the stat sheet says
the classic receptions/tds/yards that everyone looks at doesn’t really tell you the full story.
MVS def stunk at times in the regular season but he made some massive plays in the playoffs. He made a pretty wild tightly contested catch against us for a big gain
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9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Allen has the 7th lowest playoff INT percentage of all time (minimum 100 attempts). Mahomes is 8th.
The difference in playoff success between the two is that Mahomes has had arguably two or three Hall of Fame teammates at any one time and a Hall of Fame coach. Allen hasn't had a single one.
I can’t believe spagnuolo doesn’t get more credit for the chiefs success haha their playoff defense is insanely clutch every game that terrible Daniel Sorensen doesn’t get forced into the lineup
surprising he never got another shot at hc
Just now, FireChans said:The other difference is that Allen throws away a couple games during the regular season that costs us byes and #1 seeds.
This I would be 100% behind if mahomes didn’t do exactly that against the raiders this year 😂. He pretty much solo lost that game
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4 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:
Josh did not walk into a “sh-t scenario.” He was developed perfectly by Daboll. Ideally, he wouldn’t have started year 1, but by his 2nd he had serviceable skill positions along w/ a pretty good defense. Things could’ve been a million times worse. I thought the coaching staff did wonderful and obviously other teams did as well considering how quickly Daboll & Schoen were snatched up.
‘Ideally’ he wouldn’t have started but he did start his first season with one of the worst supporting casts I’ve ever seen a rookie qb have lol I’m struggling to see how things could’ve been any worse it was the ultimate trial by fire 😂. Wr1 was kelvin benjamin who was terrible and cut midseason
the situation mahomes stepped into was farrrrrr better and I don’t think it’s even remotely debatable. I think josh made Daboll a household name much more than the reverse and Daboll’s time with the giants will likely prove that
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9 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:
Not kidding, I like Hollins a lot. I thought he would break out when ATL replaced Ridder with Heinicke, but he played equally as bad as Ridder.
He got some buzz on the raiders a couple years ago…def could work out. Atlanta was an absolute mess last season
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1 hour ago, JMM said:
Yikes, looking at the replies on Twitter the Philly fans are literally laughing at this signing. All I know is that the LB and secondary were trash for them last year
Not sure what they’re laughing at…we might’ve won the Super Bowl last year if you swap Klein for morrow lol
they must think he’s starting?
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14 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:
Know who else sucks at pass blocking…Travis Kelce.
Kelce is a pretty good pass blocker and probably a bit below average in run blocking. Gesicki is one of the worst blocking TEs in all of football. Even at just blocking these guys aren’t close to comparable lol
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Does Josh Allen still work as hard in the offseason?
in The Stadium Wall
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Mahomes and his wrs were out of sync pretty much all season weren’t they lol I think this chiefs wrs season is pretty strong evidence that maybe offseason camps is too much football
to use the bills as an example, someone like Gabe Davis played on the team for years and was still consistently on the wrong page. Idk how much an unofficial throw the ball around type get together could’ve possibly helped 😂
then you’ve got your Stefon Diggs types that are closer to hitting a mental wall if they’re overworked and it can be a negative thing.
I do think josh did extra work with Kincaid last offseason