Dukestreetking

Thanks to @JGMcD2 for article (I'm not a subscriber) and cogent analysis. One thing we seem to forget amidst the shoulder injury discussion: JA's been playing w (significant??) knee and ankle injuries during/after Week 12. Nature unspecified, but bad enough to be consistently listed on the Injury Report. Indeed, last week was the first time I recall he was not wearing the knee brace, but don't quote me on that. So, like...triple-tough-greatness.

Good take. Not sure I agree 100 percent, but gotta tip cap to nuanced thinking.

That thread, imv, is a fair representation of an under-dog fan base going into a WC game. Weighted toward the optimistic side but, as many have noted, considerable pessimism/realism. Re latter, my favorite is this pithy offer: "Buffalo should rest their starters". (Btw, classy entry on pg 5. Well done my friend @Inigo Montoya)

I see what you did there...well played sir. Well played indeed.

@Big Turk you are killing it lately. Thanks for another good find.

Good catch. This is absolutely true; read also. Oh, I love the smell of Fish Pathos. Smells like: victory.

For no particular reason, I flipped thru 200+ pages of the Fins game thread. They were crying for Bills to take out starters (esp Allen) after the first freaking TD! Post second TD, it became biblical begging: rending of clothing, sheep slaughtering, etc. Enjoyable read actually.

This. And, don't me wrong, I absolutely love JK. But watch (nearly) any full game YT vid fr that era, with the value of perspective and time. The evidence is clear, imho. Thurman was an other worldly dual-threat...the McCaffrey of his time only better. And he did it w that same quasi-draw play fr shotgun, over and over! How JA is doing this is amazing. I mean, I do like Motor and Moss, but does anyone scheme around them? I ain't no expert, but doubt it. JA is it. That said, I don't really care if he gets MVP, only SBVs

F**k yeah @Stank_Nasty

Someone please tell me @Stank_Nasty called a ST TD for this game.

Holy hell Doc! What style of internet-fu did you use to find this thing?

Actually, interesting question...my impression is reduced. Follow-up: what changed and what does it mean (aside from the obvious, for the pedantics out there). Sorry, no answers, only more questions... I'm a Miyagi-do wanna be.

Perfect. Another 34 pages of back and forth b/n us, followed by angry replies from yours truly. Mayhem, murder all about. (Yes, I'm picking up your sarc)

Same. Thanks for taking the time and effort... regardless of whether there's agreement on this or that point.

Transient: normally I get nuance, but I suppose it was my day just to fly off the handle. Anyway, same sentiment back to you and yours. Respectfully, Dsk

Fair enough re "adults" comment. For that I apologise. We are sometimes too quick on the trigger. In return, I suggest calling someone a cartoon character (someone you don't know) might also require some reflection, if only for better situational awareness. Now...I'm going to rely on oldmanfan and balln for my updates. (N.B., "we" means those who've probably been down-range for too long.)

Huh? I was not replying to you or in any way being disrespectful. If you see my reply, I was asking for your insight. More generally, across this entire thread, I've been extremely careful in NOT saying I--or anyone--could diagnose from afar.

Roger. You can look up (I don't remember off hand), which specific tissue gets metabolic nutritious blood flow (aka, innervation). I'd be sincerely interested in your views, as your insight would be well past my own.

Ok, I'm going to try to be kind-of-nice in this response. But wtf, over? I've made perfectly clear where I am on this issue. And you compare me to some Simpsons character? A quack Doc, no less. In case you haven't guessed, I've gotten a little med cross-training. That's what happens when you've been f***ing fighting in war zones--did you know we have those?--for 17 years. So, crawl back in your safe space little one, and let the goddamn adults handle the bad guys...and this discussion.

This is why I don't think it's ACL/season ending. For all reasons stated above, and b/c it looked like they were doing a "McMurray test" on sidelines, which is for meniscus, not ACL. IF it is meniscus-related (I don't know that) the short answer: diagnosis known quickly, but prognosis is...well, tricky.

Damn, I promised no further replies but--unfortunately as suspected--it is a knee (not further specified). Back2buff is correct in noting a prognosis issue w swelling. If meniscus as suspected, this in part relates to blood innervation...some meniscus tissue gets it, others don't. If former, pretty good news, as intervention may not be required. Just time. Further still, an elite athlete can still play w certain types of meniscus damage. Pain tolerance and stability issue. Hello brace, and good to see you Mr Toradal injection.

Yes. Spleen. And it's terminal. Bring up Duke.

Copy all Straight, good discussion...Med conference part trois (promise last one): From tape, IMV, he clearly has a withdrawal reflex immediately after L leg hard plant, as one sees the (unconscious) effort to de-load, along w slight ankle/lower leg adduction. This is the body protecting itself for the last gazillion years. Example: hit yourself in the leg/arm w a hammer. Does the limb fling out? No, you automatically draw inwards toward the thick, protected part of the "shell". For someone his height, a very rough calculation is that this cycle would take about 3/100th of a second... which would happen before other kinetic activity described. Possible also that this is a double whammy?Knee, then stepped on?? I'm wind spitting here.

Emphasis on not being a doc...but I did tear meniscus this way and have fair amount of experience. Plus I was a trainer in an earlier life. Also, my view emerges not just fr vid, but also how they are dealing w this (what little we know). Anyway, re vid: when he plants L foot...hips are square thru his toe (though that doesn't per se mean knee is "straight") while he is trying to neutralize his momentum (i.e., slowing forward velocity). Meanwhile, knee at perpendicular flexion (or extension, choose whichever), w upper body weight posterior to knee. Result: meniscus is doing it's job--shock absorbing and distributing load--but that load is huge in this position. Logically, chance for injury higher. Note: obviously, no idea if it's lateral or medial, stable (horizontal) tear, or even any injury at all!! I've had a couple of so-called flap tears, aside from ACLs. When "flap" is "in place", it's not bad actually. But when it "shifts" there's pain (not awful) and knee catches/swells. Does require surgery, but not big deal. Please don't flame me! Just trying to bring semi-semi (did I note "semi"?) informed view.

Further to my comment up-thread. Forgot to mention that I'm currently being treated by BB ortho team, one guy very close to OBD (another ACL...yes, living the dream). Anyway, these boys and girls def have their sh*t together. Extremely thorough, medically creative, energetic, etc...even for a schmuck like me. Imagine, then, what they've done for Beas? Probably MRI'd him 10 times already, and probed every orifice. Bottom line: they KNOW what's wrong with him. Given that, "week-to-week" ain't exactly terrific (I'm not pitching doom and gloom). Still "believe" it's meniscus-related, but won't get into it here.