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7 of the 8 top receivers last season made the playoffs lol. 8 of the top 9.

Nah, they cut him after 2025 and he's only getting $81M total for 2 years. If he puts up 22-25 TD's per season over the next two years, that's a little less than $2M a TD.

Do you just want to grandstand here? You admit they are not a valuable position. You're right that they don't make much compared to their peers. But they also don't have to play in the NFL. If the owners' unilaterally decided tomorrow to increase the cap $10M, RB's would still get paid peanuts because they are WORTH peanuts.

I think they all have potential to look REALLY bad, but I think Jones has the potential to be the least crippling because they can get out the year after next, and their roster is so bad that one more year at his price tag won’t be as prohibitive.

The NFLPA argued for the rookie scale contract because they didn’t like vets getting out paid by rookies. Any system designed to increase RB pay scale artificially is going to impact every other position negatively by decreasing their money. So that will never ever happen. The NFLPA works for all the players, not just RB’s. Christian McCaffrey ain’t arguing that centers need to get paid more. just like punters, if you wanna get those $100M contracts, you better be involved in passing or stopping the pass. If you can’t, you’re probably not gonna make as much.

It's not a big deal to have a top flight RB. Because they aren't valuable.

Highest paid positions are ones that are based on either passing or stopping the pass. it's why ILB's who can't cover have gone the way of the dinosaur. It's why nickel DB's are paid way more than they used to be. If the punters all wanted to get together and said change the rules so we are more valuable, they are welcome to do so, but the reality is that they are not that valuable TODAY.

Top 8 backs don't win Superbowls. Only 4/8 made the playoffs. 7 of the top 8 QB's in passing made the playoffs and one of them won it.

Have you heard of the salary cap lmao.

What's not talked about is that the NFL and NFLPA BOTH wanted the rookie pay scale in CBA negotiations 2011. The owners didn't want to negotiate with the Bradford's and Russell's of the world and pay them giant contracts before they stepped on the field, while the vets didn't want first rounders getting paid way more than them. The owners got the better of that negotiation as it turns out. Now, almost all of the newly drafted players are cheap options compared to the vets, which means you'd rather have a rookie 2nd or 3rd rounder compared to a $4M 26 year old solid player in both the long and short-term. And while a first round RB may be a lesser use of resources, it's still far better than paying a 27 y/o RB big money. Now the RB market is dead and has no chance of returning. It would have been better for the RB pay for the top flight college RB's like AP or Zeke or Gurley to get their money up front. You also make a GREAT point about RB's. These dudes cannot play other positions. Tiny guys like Singletary and Ekeler aren't choosing to be RB's instead of DB's or WR's, they are choosing RB's over not being in the NFL. And they are still making pretty good money.

The cap is a zero sum game. There's only so much money to go around. How can NFL fans sit here and know that QB's are the most important position and thus are paid the most % of the cap, while kickers/punters/backups are some of the least important and least paid, but not understand that every position (including RB) has to fall somewhere on that spectrum?

John from Victor has such a nice ring to it.

It’s certainly possible. Not sure I’d say definitively.

Exactly. That’s why turnovers are bad, and more turnovers makes a worse offense.

Sample size of what? Total drives?

How do you figure?

Yes lmao but I got them backwards: Time per drive: 20 - 2:59 21 - 2:54 22 - 2:47

I don't think PFR includes those in their points per drive number. Looking at their PF total and adding ALL points from the 16 games does equal 455 (and I know Milano had a pick six in there somewhere). But when you divide 455/# of drives, you get 2.66, which is much higher than their listed 2.52. I don't know about productivity either man. 2021 scored more total points but they had an extra game too. I think the offenses were different philosophically. Recency bias aside, Josh went deep A LOT more in 2022 compared to the other years. 9.2 intended air yards in 2022 vs 8.2 in 21 and 8.3 in 20. That's gonna give you high variance when it comes to efficiency. Now, maybe we went deep more because Diggs was being bracketed and Gabe can't run short routes, and we've come full circle as to how bad this team missed their prime Cole Beasley and how much we really needed an upgrade at WR.

Got them all from PFR https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2022.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2021.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2020.htm Now to your point about SoS. I do think that the numbers support that the 2021 Bills had an easier schedule. And that would also potentially explain the offense looking "easier." But most of the numbers do suggest that the 2022 offense took a hit, efficiency-wise.

Man, I just do not agree. Compare the Bills to, say, themselves. Points per drive: 22 - 2.52 21 - 2.56 20 - 2.80 Percentage of drives ending in a score: 22- 45 21 - 45.2 20 - 49.4 Time per drive: 22 - 2:47 21 - 2:54 20 - 2:59 TO% 22 - 15.2 21 - 11.3 20 - 11.8 RZ% 22 - 60.3 21 - 62.4 20 - 61.8 Now, relative the league, they were of course not what I would consider a mess. But to my eye, it felt significantly more laborious to score and maintain drives to years past. And the numbers do bear that out.

Shoot me in the face.

They structured his deal intentionally so that they have an out in 2 years. Which makes his contract ripe for a restructure or just being flat out cut. Besides, DJ got drafted in the top 10 and Hopkins was the bottom of the first. Which is why he had a $20M head start.

He probably won't.

Starting to get on the Beane sucks train. Our lack of star impact players in rounds 1 and 2 and lack of receiving talent is actually becoming crippling.

Truth hurts. Can't be drafting ninth Pro Bowl alternates in the top 10.