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Who lied? Quote where this was said. Quote where this was said. Sorry @GoBills808, not sure why it quoted you. I’m asking @Alphadawg7

Ahem, I think this is what we call “moving the goal posts.” ”I didn’t mean the posts I’ve been furiously responding to for the last 24 hours! I meant the other posts…. somewhere…… I swear!” Game over my friend

can you move the goal posts if you said exactly the same thing you said initially? Tough scene. If you had only read the posts you responded to, it would’ve saved you so much time looking foolish lmao. What a waste. Maybe next time I’ll do an @Alphadawg7 edit where I bold things so you can follow along better. Gotta appeal to the lowest common denominator of reading comprehension. Who WOULDN’T be satisfied with a 2nd, two 3rds and a 4th at RB in 6 years?

I don’t disagree there’s a case by case basis with some of this stuff. And imo the most important thing is separating results from process. Because results can be fickle. I can think throwing seconds and thirds at RB’s is generally poor strategy, but if you do it every once in a while and get a dynamic threat like Cook, that’s fine. If Coleman becomes Mike Evans 2.0 and Shakir becomes Diggs 2.0, then all the hubbub about process becomes irrelevant. My biggest belief in the NFL is that you can be right for the wrong reasons and wrong for the right reasons. It’s why I don’t kill Beane for the Von Miller deal. We needed an elite pass rusher, we just lost in an OT shout out to the preeminent dynasty of our time, our #2 WR just had one of the greatest games in playoff history. An elite EDGE player, who was yes, long in the tooth and an injury concern made a lot of sense. It didn’t work out and that sucks. I do think there are some prevailing strategies that Beane cannot or will not follow. And that goes beyond this off-season. He’s a receiving target that plays TE. He doesn’t play WR. And I specifically said WR, multiple times. So you lose, again.

Of course he was drafted as a receiving threat. You don't take a TE in the first round to block (at least I hope they wouldn't). He's not going to be paid as a WR, he will be paid as a TE. Which is a good thing. The top 5 TE contracts in the NFL would be the 10th, 13th, 13th, 14th and 14th WR contracts TODAY. Those will all get bumped down a couple more places when JJ and Higgins and Chase get their long-term deals soon. That kind of highlights part of the reason why I'd like to draft more of them. If they hit and are a Pro-Bowler, you are getting tremendous value compared to their open market value. That's why the Eagles drafted two more this year while having AJ Brown and Smith under contract. Because they are valuable and it's not a bad thing to have 3-4 of them (see Trent Sherfield in the playoffs).

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4385690/dalton-kincaid DALTONKINCAID Bills #86 TE https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KincDa00.htm Dalton Kincaid Position: TE What position does he play? WR or TE? You know what? Find me a source that says Dalton Kincaid plays WR and not TE. I’ll wait. The whole reason your point is so silly is because acquiring WR’s isn’t just about putting talent around Josh, it’s about recognizing that the WR market has completely exploded and these guys are going to get harder and harder to pay. It’s about recognizing the league value as a position. Kincaid isn’t going to get paid like a WR. Just like Kelce hasn’t. Because they are TE’s. Because they are “weapons.” Because they AREN’T WR’s, which is why I didn’t ***** mention them when talking about WR’s. FFS, annoying AND wrong is a dangerous combo.

Levis plays the exact opposite of Tannehill. Shocking comparison.

Yes they have. They have spent more on WR’s. That is what I said. You keep changing it to “weapons” (which I never said) so you can include Kincaid lmao. I thought we were making up our own arguments for the other person then knocking them down. Right? Water is wet! You’re wrong. Don’t get upset that I took your game and went pro.

@Alphadawg7 can’t admit the bolded. He has to do the whole “argue a different point than what was made, then declare victory,” strategy. Unfortunately for him, I was trolling TBD when he was a twinkle in his father’s eye. He can’t fool me.

Hey @Alphadawg7 the sky isn’t green dude, it’s blue. You’re wrong! I win!

We already have a QB. So I’m not really worried about drafting a worse one and paying him and starting him, right? What I do like is the Eagles’ approach to team building. Appropriately dedicating assets to WR (they just signed both their starters to long-term extensions and they still drafted 2 in the best WR draft in a while.) Emphasis on OL and disruptors on DL. Understanding the RB market and drafting a single RB above round 4 in the last 8 years. Not afraid to move around the draft board to target their players. You’re right, it could be all Roseman and maybe Halaby doesn’t have the same juice. But I much prefer that team building style (of a team that has gone to 2 SB’s and won 1), over the Carolina redux style (that went to 1 SB and got embarrassed because Cam was throwing to trash cans). I’m talking about WR’s. Jesus Christ lmao. This is getting sad. See I said: “The back to back champs have invested a lot more at WR than we have. Same with their opponents in the Super Bowl” and then you make your gibberish post about weapons. I didn’t say weapons. I said WR. Read the posts you’re responding to before you waste your time writing 3 paragraphs I’m not going to read. And CEH was a horrific pick. They certainly should have took Tee Higgins, which I said at the time. So good one?

The back to back champs have invested a lot more at WR than we have. Same with their opponents in the Super Bowl. And Kincaid isn’t Kelce 2.0 yet. Like I said, the fact that you have to include Kincaid in a discussion about the Bills WR investments is proof positive you have nothing here lmao. “We drafted Knox 4 years ago, how can you say we don’t invest enough in WR’s?”

Oh, they should have fired their HC. You know the Eagles were in the Superbowl a year ago, right? With a far worse QB than ours, right?

I definitely would have. You're the one who finds that so outlandish. We traded for Diggs 4 years ago. That's a long time in the NFL.

So you think the Bills have done a good enough job at getting WR's? Because of Cook and Kincaid? Is that the take?

I don’t know? If i knew they were gonna be who they ended up being, I’d draft them a lot higher.

You can draft WR's in the second round AND the fifth round. It's a pretty awesome feature of the draft. Go ahead and take out Skyy Moore lol, the math still doesn't favor us.

We can compare all the picks if you'd like (not including playoffs because that's too much math). Bills WR production of their two fifth rounders: 49 catches 772 yards 3 TD's Chiefs WR production of their 2 seconds and third: 163 catches 1772 yards 11 TD's Yeah, looks like a landslide.

Rashee Rice did a lot better. He had over 900 yards and 7 TD's. Another 262 and another TD in the playoffs. ~1200 yards and 8 TD's in a season? That's better than Shakir's whole career combined.

No, but the Chiefs have spent: 1st 2nd 3rd 2nd on WR since 2022. The Bills have spent: 2nd 5th 5th lol.

I'm going to watch. But I'm also not going to bend over backward to defend BB as doing a great job. He has crossed the Rubicon for me. Who did we lose? Latty Murray? The 60th rusher in the league with 79 carries? We needed to spend a fourth on an RB for that? Ookay. Day 2 picks are bad investments for RB's. Singletary, Moss, and Cook were all day 2 picks. You are right that Davis was a fourth. "So in 3 of the past 5 drafts the Bills have invested a 2 first round picks and a 2nd round pick on a receiving weapon for Josh." If you think the Bills are investing enough in WR, there's really not much else to say lol. It speaks VOLUMES that you have to play pretend that Kincaid is a WR.

6 targets per game is 102 on the season. That would be 40th in the NFL last year.

I just answered. tough scene

I don’t care about narratives, I care about reality. The REALITY is that our run game was good enough last season. The pass catchers were not. The REALITY is that EVERYONE knows day 2 picks on RBs is horrific value. Yet this regime has taken 4 in 6 years. The REALITY is this regime hadn’t drafted a WR in day 2 since Zay Jones 7 years ago. That’s ass backwards. This stuff is indefensible. It demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of positional value in the modern NFL. They are dinosaurs. Alec Halaby.

I would keep McD and fire Beane. If the new GM wants a different coach, then sure.