Simon

<casually slides a bit further down the bench>

Yeah, that's pretty much what it's about if you want to compare them to rooms around the league. From this chair it looks so subjectively close that choosing a "side" is splitting hairs, imo. My guess is that would be the case for about 20-25 teams all occupying the middle ground and then a handful that might stand out on either end. I'd place the Bills smack dab in the middle of those 20ish average teams, with some potential to move up a bit if Coleman develops and Samuel gets healthy.

Did you just put an adverb at the end of a sentence? 🫢

Ingram's the same way, possibly even moreso. I wonder how much influence Taron Johnson (or Poyer for that matter) has had on them.

First, if you want to talk about the room, you should be talking about 5 guys, not 4. And I'm not sure I would put them below average as a whole. At #1 and #2, yes they are probably below the league norm right now(with the caveat that Coleman could change that before year's end). But Samuel is better than most (if not all) #3's, Hollins is better than most #4s and MVS is better than most #5s. So they are below average at two positions (for now) and above average at three positions. As a whole, I'd put them in the middle of the pack. If you want to factor in their TE's and RB's as passcatchers, they become inarguably above average, imo.

I agree he has been slow getting to the QB thus far. But I have definitely seen him making an impact against the run game, whether it's making solo tackles or just beating a Guard to blow up a run play.

You're trying to compare the Bills #4 and #5 WRs to other teams #1 Wrs that you listed? And then suggesting that the Bills WRs aren't good because they don't match up in that comparison? Of course our 4/5 guys don't match up with other people's #1s. The question that started this thread was about the Bills WR room compared to last year. While they took a step back at #1, I think they are arguably better at #2 through #5. If you want to stretch that comparison to start involving other teams and whether this is a good WR room or not, that's fine. But if you are going to bring the Bills #4 and #5 Wrs into the discussion, you better be bringing other teams #4 and #5 Wrs in as well. Otherwise you are just trolling. Again.

It would save you money on golf balls. And there's always this.... ( I did kayak the Verde River when we were there)

Michael Jordan who?

Was in the Sedona area for a week last spring and realllly liked it. Sunshine year round, a lot of things to do both nearby and within an hour or two, open highways, plenty of room for expansion, Phoenix and Flagstaff within an hour or two, etc.... Definitely had me thinking about the potential for living there 9 months/year and spending summers split between traveling and at our camp back East. I've had a beer in 48 different states and that was one of nicest areas I've ever been to. 25 things to do in Sedona

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And then got cocky and lost twice as much next week? Or broke an ankle jumping around when he scored? Or partied like a champion and ended up with a DUI? Don't regret fate; even the wise cannot see all ends

He'd be a hell of an upgrade on the outside. Hard to say no to that if they can make the numbers work.

It was 3rd down and right at the sticks. He absolutely should be firing in there to to stop a guy hard or knock the ball out to force an incompletion. He did exactly what he was supposed to do. The fact that it resulted in an injury because Taron's forearm was right on the ball was nothing more than bad luck.

Agreed he was a problem last year; although the more snaps he got, the better he seemed to get at keeping his head up and his eyes open. I don't know how it's going to go this year, but Taron's injury was not his fault; he was doing exactly what he was supposed to do, defending the sticks on 3rd down and trying to knock the ball out to force the incompletion/punt. The fact that Taron's arm happened to be right where the ball was was just bad luck and nobody's fault.

Rapp did nothing wrong on that particular play; it was just ***** luck.

If they can't win in February, I'm doubtful that it will be because Allen didn't have the luxury of an All Pro in the WR room. If there's 5 of them and they're all genuinely good? Good luck with that; it's a tough ask of any defense.

Memento Mori

Have we seen him kick outside in December under pressure?

Thank you for adding the word "moreon" to my vocabulary

Ummmmmm........

In Buffalo: > Spencer Brown going full dancing bear > Josh Allen reading short to long and actually liking it > Jamarcus Ingram running around wanting to whip everybody's ass > Watching 3+ qrtrs of Bills football with the horses in the barn Elsewhere > Aaron Rodgers still physically intact > Minnesota running away with our draft pick in its mouth > The mass destruction of survivor pools > 0'fer Cincinnati pining for Andy Dalton

I think he was so shocked that Jones let that ball go that he was too stunned to get his hands turned properly in time.

The kid seemingly breaks some sort of NFL record every other game.

So that's what that Pink Floyd outro is... Thanks!