Mikie2times

Ya, I always liked the name, they're actually a pretty good team to check out in that neck of the woods. Sylvania, Perrysburg, Toledo.....over a decade, love the cost of living. That's about it.

As a former Toledo resident I'm offended. I also offending myself for being a Toledo resident.

To say this could be the end as we know it would be to undersell the situation

Shakir was a hit. Davis was a hit. We actually aren’t that bad at late WR picks. Maybe we didn’t value the guys in your board. My argument is it’s pretty funny watching people say the difference in this being a good draft or not is a 4th round WR. This is getting more clear to me. We had to trade for Aiyuk, take one of the big 3, or take two in the first two rounds. That was basically the standard I’m seeing. It’s just being packaged differently by posters because they know such an ask is getting closer to fantasy world than reality.

4 picks in the 20’s. Three consecutive picks to end the first round and start round two. Do you really think the level of talent in those players was going to be the difference maker for us at WR? What if we took Worthy? Legette with the last pick in Round 1 would that have past the test for you? Just make the full leap to completely irrational please. It wasn’t one of the best WR drafts of all time. It was top heavy. Then the rest of the talent was significantly lower in rank than then the big three. Who cares who KC picked, have you seen the track record they have drafting WR? Rice is the best guy they have taken since Mahomes was drafted.

Buffalo and the rest of the NFL for that matter had 4-10 at end of round one / start of round 2. The only 1st rounders to pick were the big 3. Everybody after that was an equal crapshoot. Which is why we traded back. The idea that a 4th round type would have elevated this class to acceptable makes me really question the perspectives here.

I'm getting his Christmas card ready early this year

I prefer Coleman ahead of anybody outside the Big 3. Regardless if you do or don't, enough people exist on both sides of the argument to say a consensus doesn't exist. 4-7 aren't guaranteed to be better. It wouldn't even be categorized as likely. It's a total crap shoot right now. If that is the case the trade back actually makes some sense. Would you have wanted to see 2 of the top 8 come our way? Clearly we wouldn't know if that would solve anything I'm just asking for context of what would have made you feel we made the correct amount of effort.

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Void of a trade up for one of the big 3 or for an established player I didn't see a scenario where this draft concluded and we could declare we had what we needed. If we did make such a declaration we would be wrong. From my perspective MLB was in even worse shape last year and that worked out ok. I'm excited to see what Coleman brings as I actually like the pick. Kincaid could turn into a pro bowler this year as well. I think a few other things could work out at WR to our benefit but sure, we could likely stand to have another hitter. I know everybody wants to take the next step at the position and give Josh some elite weapons but if we could say that isn't happening because we only took one WR and not a 2nd deeper in the draft I would say the logic is faulty and the perspective is poor. The draft wasn't going to solve all of this.

Last year Houston was largely considered to have the worst WR core in the NFL.

We don't have Morse, Poyer, Hyde, Diggs, Tre, and Gabe. Allen is the only remaining captain on the roster. Regardless of what moves we made did it really require Beane saying we are in transition? It seems sort of obvious given the roster changes. Transition also doesn't have to mean we won't be competitive. We went 6-1 the last 7 games with Diggs and Davis contributing 46 catches for 571 yards and 3 TD's. They just didn't exist. To me it's not unreasonable to think Kincaid will increase his contributions signifgantly. Knox could increase as well. Shakir is likely to keep getting better as he has each year he has played. So I ask myself, can Kincaid/Shakir +1 year, along with Samuel, and Coleman best last years group the 2nd half of the way when we went 6-1? Why not? Then you shift to defense. What did Poyer and Hyde have left in the tank? Poyer was brutally slow. Hyde couldn't stay healthy. Tre was a leader in spirit more than body. So we add Cole Bishop to that group. Rapp gets more familiar with the system. Bernard has another year. AJ has another year. Groot, ED, and oh ya, Milano comes back. Jones is healthy. Perhaps Von gives us 10+ sacks, which I think he will. So why again won't the defense be just as good with potential to be better? They're younger and more athletic. I actually think with all of our "transition" this team will be better next year. We won't have better depth. We might also take some time to come together as always is the case. But it's not very difficult to see how we replace what we have lost and how that could even grow. Now does all this give me confidence that we can win more than a wild card? Not really. I can't view this team as clutch and mentally hardened until they show they're on that stage. But if the questions is can we get back to find out this year? Sure.

You can see why he clicked with Josh. He has that playful kid like demeanor to him. Super confident. Sort of a breath of fresh air to be honest. I don't recall a lot of Bills like him over the years.

Josh Brown, Cole Beasley, Khalil Shakir, Deonte Harty, Jamison Crowder......are these big body WR's? Is James Cook a bruising RB?

I didn't conveniently stop anything. They have gone on to win two Super Bowls without him. Stop moving the goal posts. You said Bean draft slow player bad, KC draft fast player good. Not Beane don't draft WR. So what is the complaint and how can you irrationally link it to this draft? While you're at it, outside of Hill, let me know the names of a few pro bowl burners who have won a super bowl the last decade. Hardly a prerequisite of anything.

Honestly dude, you have no clue at all. I don't either. None of us do, not even the teams that make the picks really know. I don't know how on earth you see Gabe Davis with Coleman but you're going to see what you want to see.

Why do you assume KC has been good at picking WR's? The premise of your post is, big player bad, Beane like big player, Beane bad. Fast player good, KC like fast player, KC good. As I said, it's lazy. KC has drafted absolute trash at WR since they picked Mahomes. You would be better off betting against who they picked at WR a significant amount of the time.

I could agree but I would have to dismiss Beasley, Brown, Shakir, etc. I think in the scheme of things he’s actually been fairly balanced. Albeit without seeming to highly value a burner.

They're both tall black men, don't you see!

Lazy comparisons

I haven't gotten a good sedrick van pran-granger since high school

Everybody is shouting out Detroit nowadays. Sort of funny. They have a decent fan base but a lot of my friends never mentioned the Lions to me in 30 years of living there. Now it's all "us, we" talking about the Lions. They're similar to us in the abnormally trendy trajectory they had.

Sort of looks like if Singletary and Moss had a baby