Mikie2times

Pegula values stability more than being number one in my opinion

Traditional passer rating maters for a QB to win the award. That will always be something that hurts Josh's chances.

I don't think Pegula will replace him. Even if we miss the playoffs.

What evidence do we have that a team is more likely to win a Super Bowl if they maintain the head coach? The only coaches in NFL history that would have taken longer than McD to win a Super Bowl with the same team would be John Madden and Bill Cowher. That list will turn into just Bill Cowher if we don't win next year. 10 other coaches have won a Super Bowl with a new team or starting a career in the first two seasons. If this was a table game in Vegas nobody is putting money on McD. It's bad odds at this point which has been pointed out by many. What do you think our competition thinks on this question? Do you think Andy Reid and Zac Taylor would rather face McD and Allen or somebody else and Allen, somebody who is unknown at this time. I don't think either would hesitate to prefer the devil they know. This team is a flick away from a potential dynasty ender. They don't want anything that is rocking the boat in Western New York. Status quo is what they want.

No he hasn't

Ravens are probably getting close as are the Steelers. Not that these men aren't great leaders and coaches, but after enough time elapses sometimes even great leaders have a more difficult time being heard. I agree with Larry Bird https://www.basketballnetwork.net/old-school/larry-bird-didnt-want-coaches-to-stay-in-the-organization-for-more-than-three-years-if-they-werent-winning#:~:text=Bird said he's been part,and that's how I feel." He basically said coaches become stale after 3 years. I don't suggest you flip your coach every three years but I agree with the argument against continuity at all costs. Growth is more likely to occur out of friction in my experience and the NFL is littered with historical examples of a new guy coming in and getting it done. I also don't feel like McD is the reason we have consistent success. It's much more likely in my opinion to be Allen. I think BB and the Patriots taught us as much. So while you're forcing me to say we can only be consistently successful with McD I don't believe that is the case. We can win a Super Bowl and still be consistently successful and that's because of Josh. But if you forced me to choose between the Ravens and Bucs, I would say Bucs. I have been a fan since the Kelly years. I want to see one in my lifetime. I would trade a lot of AFC East Championships for just one. I think McD was beneficial in our rise. But if you want to get a few more horsepower out of this thing he is not the guy to figure out how. If that means a increased risk of being inconsistent I don't care. Even thought I don't believe that's what it means I still wouldn't care. I feel like as it stands our fate is already decided. We are talking about getting past the divisional round. We haven't even got to a Super Bowl which is the actual goal.

I don't think Allen can grow anymore with McD and I don't think McD leaving would result in a reduction in performance by Allen. So while I agree you can give him credit in the ways you discuss I don't know what that means for future growth and development. I don't really care as much what our defense can do outside of a few names. Josh will clean up what happens outside of a few games. Teams that have a QB with over a 65 QBR (which is Allen every year) have over a 70% winning % since 2020. Allen will clean up a lot of noise with these average squads. He needs help on the other side of the ball against the above average ones or he needs more weapons to help him win an arms race. What he doesn't need is more weapons to the defense and not getting the gains. That is on Sean. I do hold Sean accountable for the defenses performance in all of these games. Otherwise it becomes difficult to track what actually counts. We have some people not counting 2023 because of injuries. We have some people not counting 2022 because circumstances. Eventually they just have to count. Eventually we have to consider if this is part of a broader trend. Appreciate the response, just different POV's clearly

No actual response. You give him credit for Allen, so what is it based on? If it's just being a strong leader I can support that. I promise you, not one actual Bills fan exists that wants Sean to fail. We want nothing more than for him to be hoisting the SB trophy as his most avid supporters rain I told you so's for the rest of eternity. Most people who "don't like him" don't think he can get it done past the Wild Card and have a lot of information to support that view. Specifically how the defense has performed which is his biggest area of focus on this team.

So is McD going over progressions with Allen? Coaching him on his technique? Diagraming plays for the offense? Working with him on fundamentals? I don't believe I have read one article since McD has been here from Allen or McD stating that he has had that level of oversight offensively. He has no offensive coaching experience in his career. So if McD gets credit for Allen, I guess that it's a pretty clear reason why people have different opinion of him.

Perhaps it's the undersized speed, no man coverage approach that doesn't work as well come playoff time when you can push people around more. Hold more. I'm not sure but in some cases, like KC, we can at least slow them down in the regular season. Then we barely become a speed bump postseason. The injury issues are relevant to some extent, certainly in 2023, but it does not explain how far back this goes and how severe it is. When you look at the EPA data for defense on our side it is even more stunning. 2020: We had 3 game all year where the defense allowed at least 20 EPA, KC dropped 30.34, 6 points worse than the next closest game 2021: We had 2 games all year where the defense allowed at least 20 EPA, KC dropped 32.62, 12 points worse than the next closest game 2022: We had 1 game all year where the defense allowed at least 20 EPA, CIN dropped 22.03, 9 points worse than the next closest game We have had 6 occurrences since 2020 where the defense has allowed at least 20 EPA, 3 of theme in the playoff losses. With the only two instances where the defense allowed 30 more and both came in our playoff losses. Perhaps we just aren't prepared schematically for the additional X's and O's that go into a playoff game. I keep quoting Burrows opening drive stats vs us because I think it speaks to our inability to build a game plan at the level required to be successful in the divisional round. Burrow is 18 for 18, 181 yards, and 3 TD's on his three opening drives vs the Bills. Injuries don't explain that. Nothing does really.

The narrative about us being dominated on defense is based on nothing but data. We have allowed an average of 33.5 points, 441 yards, on 62.75 plays over the four playoff losses to KC and the Bengals. That is an average of 7.02 yards per play. No defensive team in the NFL has finished worse that 6.3 yards per play since 2020. So we are averaging almost a full yard more than what the worst defense in the NFL averages as they go thru a season. Based on EPA the 2020 Chiefs had the best offensives performance they would have all year against us, in the playoffs. In 2021 they had the 3rd best offensive performance they would have all year against us in the playoffs. In 2022 the Bengals had the 3rd highest performance all year against us in the playoffs. These teams aren't just playing well against us. They're turning in some of the best statistical outputs they had over 17-18 games. McD will force us to win shootouts. Not what you want from your defensive minded HC. Writing has been on the wall for awhile.

It was the same way in the Bengals game. We had injury's, so did they. The only divisional collapse this is even a conversation with is the last KC game yet some posters want to blanket this excuse as a catch all Mahomes stats facing teams more than once in the playoffs. We can't even present a speed bump. How can anybody expect that to change? It's three games not just one. I've said this before and nobody has ever responded. I don't think a response exists. Joe Burrow has 3 opening drives vs Buffalo (including the cancel game) he is 14 or 14 for 181 yards and 3 TD's. Bills fans think KC is the only team where McD's shortcomings are relevant. We have shown no ability to hang with the Bengals regardless of when the game is played. Our undersized zone defense gets abused by land and air when it matters.

It's not exactly bad luck if Terrell Bernard misses time when he has missed substantial time in more seasons than he hasn't since college. Which version of our LB's since we started playing KC in the playoffs would have slowed Kelce down? Maybe I missed the time we did it before. Plenty more teams get past the divisional round. Something we only did with Lamar in a wind storm. KC was missing most of its offensive line when they lost to the Brady led Bucs. We got to face Miami's 3rd string QB in the Wild Card round. We have had Allen healthy the whole time. So I guess I don't really know the proper deduction we should use on the "unlucky meter". I don't remember the status of most playoff competing teams in the NFL over several years to blame that. I can barely remember if the stars played. All I know is this seems like new thing to me in pro football. Blame injuries for outcomes over a long period of time. Especially if your stars are mostly healthy.

Pretty sure the Bengals steamrolled us with one or two starting offensive lineman left. Even if you're willing to chalk it all up to injuries at some point you have to consider if its systemic.

We have not faired well against Burrow or Mahomes in the postseason defensively. So while I recognize injuries play a role in some of these outcomes it appears to me like we underperform against divisional round competition or higher. Not just underperform based on it being a more difficult team but we play worse than what an average team would produce in such situations and we are much better than an average team in the regular season.

We never did in the playoffs. I do think it's important that we make some distinction between the two.

Why do you think we would have slowed the Chiefs offense down or do you think we would have won despite not slowing them down?

Trained with him last year as well

The Brahmas are coached by Wade Phillips and the defense is a lot of fun to watch. Wade can just flat out coach defense. I was curious what Bryce Perkins for Michigan would do until he went down last week. I enjoyed watching him at Virginia. Martinez can also be fun to watch. Really enjoy Hakeem Butler, former Iowa State player. The rules are different but I have come to appreciate them. No extra points is a really big deal. It creates tons of scoring combinations that can lead to more excitement. The onside kicks, super challenges, and level of access they give is really interesting. I'm a huge College fan so I like seeing these players. It's good football. I was surprised. This was my first year watching and I enjoyed it.

Michigan has 5 teams? Rutgers can even exist on this?

I was bullish since we signed him just because it was so out of character for us. He's young, that level of success at his age is hard. Sometimes people need to bottom out to rebuild themselves and sometimes you never really know where the bottom is. Happy we took a chance and look forward to seeing what he can do!

The rest of the NFL is 211-73 (74.3% winning %) since 2020 when they have a QB with a 65 or higher QBR on the year and at least 10 starts. The wheels are not coming off our AFC East dominance if we move on from McD. Andy Reid is 15-3 in the playoffs since Mahomes. Prior to that he is 11-13. What is the big breakthrough you expect we will see with McD in the playoffs to make his situation comparable to Reid? Then for my all time favorite we are eternally screwed stat of McD. Against Joe Burrow on opening drives Burrow is 14 or 14 for 181 yards and 3 TD's. Forget about how Mahomes QBR sky rockets against us at a much higher rate than other teams and even more so in the playoffs. Burrow becomes the baby of Joe Montana and Tom Brady. It's not like we don't have time to consider alternative strategies either. It's not like we don't have time to say, ya, this dude has literally killed us so lets try something totally different. We have had three different opening series and he is yet to throw an incompletion. Totally. Bengals had like 2 healthy offensive lineman when they ran us of our field in a blowout.

Well, just look at 9/11, that was the first time those guys had a chance to do what they did and they executed at a high level so I'm not sure experience plays as big a factor as some other people think....... Next Question...

The Bengals and Philly both had leads late in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl. Are you really trying to say the WR’s they have are more of a reason why they didn’t win the Super Bowl vs a reason why they got there? Who cares about the Dolphins, horrendous QB play, inability to beat any quality teams. I’m not trying to argue either side but these examples don’t tell us anything.

People are debating if he can become an NFL starter. How about you argue if he can be more than Kameron Cline or Kendal Vickers, two players on our practice squad you can't name or make comparisons with because you didn't know they exist.