Mikie2times

We disagree somewhat here, but appreciate the good conversation and not getting crappy with it.

If the Iranian people overthrow the regime I will become more bullish over these actions making a difference. Khomeini is prepping his son to take over. His internal network historically has been enough to hold back the Iranian people. While many are pro west, the old guard has been hard to make any progress with. Seeing Trump say today that he doesn't want a regime change is disappointing. I know why he said and I don't think he believes it, he wants stability, but still, disappointing. Certainly part of the cease fire agreement, it had to be. Regardless, can we trust Khomeini or Netanyahu? No. Not as far as you could throw them. What happens if the ceasefire doesn't hold? If it doesn't the real threats haven't even started. That was always the risk of handling things this way. It's the 1st quarter at this point. A lot of time to see what this ultimately results in. Said only the people doing the bombing. Iraq has WMD's right? No experts have said they were as close as what was presented.

Israel has been fighting, based on your definition of fighting, since 1948. Never in that time have the defied the United States in having a direct military operation in Iran. What don't you understand about that?

You're painting this like the US has no control over what Israel does. Yet for the entire existence of Israel, despite wanting to attack Iran for most of it, they didn't do so until now. All I had to do was use nearly 80 years of Israeli and Iran interactions to come to such a conclusion. So lets throw in your version for consideration, it still results in Israel thinking Trump is a weak, dumb, or both. No other outcomes. Your version means Israel held the strongest military power in the world hostage and forced our hand. Then even got us to get involved. That would be even more of a schooling than the version I laid out. Logic isn't your friend, friend.

It's right in front of your face. Are we supposed to believe that Netanyahu was not aware of this 60 day deal and that it was just a coincidence Israel attacked on day 61 with an operation that clearly took extensive time and planning? Perhaps long enough to date back to Trumps first term? Further do you think Netanyahu was not aware at how limited Iran would be in negotiating with Trump/US on this subject? It was a simple check mate from a smarter leader. Hell, he even pulled us into it. You would better served arguing that it was all planned by both of them the whole time.

So what will allow that to happen now? Regime is still in place. Pursuit of Nuclear capability will still happen. Region will still be engulfed in holy wars as it has for nearly its entire existence. What exactly was accomplished again? A temporary slowdown in Irans nuclear capability?

Since its founding in 1948, Israel has faced near continuous hostility or tension with neighbors and regional actors, including multiple wars and ongoing threats from non-state groups like Hezbollah and Hamas. Israel and Iran have never engaged in a direct, multi-week military conflict. Despite years of mutual hostility, Israel and Iran have mostly fought through proxies (e.g., Hezbollah in Lebanon, militias in Syria). As of now, no prolonged, direct, declared war has occurred between the two. Previous U.S. administrations blocked or restrained Israeli military action against Iran. The U.S. has consistently pressured Israel to avoid attacking Iran directly, especially when it might trigger regional war or undermine diplomatic efforts like the JCPOA. Netanyahu has long pushed for action against Iran’s nuclear program for over a decade, Netanyahu has publicly called Iran the greatest threat to Israel and advocated military preparedness. Netanyahu played Trump and will do so again. He knew to a certainty Iran wouldn't negotiate out of this. He leveraged Trumps fake powers of negotiation to get a US approved military action against Iran. Something he wasn't able to do before. Then for the cherry he pulled in the US military to do his bidding. Now we celebrate Trump? Please. This is the story teller Trump doing what he does. He got played by a more intelligent regime plan and simple.

Things started escalating when the conflict between Palestine and Israel started. Which has been going on for longer than either of us have been alive. When do you expect Israel to not have issues or conflict in the region? It's a Jewish state in the center of the most radical Muslims in the world. A holy war will always be going on. Did we just help sponsor Israel in that fight under false pretenses? We absolutely did. Now I get we want say all that we accomplished in doing so. But here is the reality. A liberal and free Iran still doesn't exist. Khomeini is still in power. His succession plan is still in place. All the actors that lead to this exact place are still there and in all likelihood an Iranian nuclear program will keep going.

What did I say that you would disagree with? In this direct of way? No it doesn't. Nothing you posted here involves a direct military effort against Iran as we saw the last two weeks.

He wasn't a critical component in why this even started? Israel was not going to attack Iran without US knowledge and agreement. Trump gave that agreement in the form of his 60 day deadline to Iran. It's not some huge coincidence they attacked Iran day 61. It's pretty clear that was part of the Trump and Netanyahu agreement. Give me 60 days to negotiate and if it doesn't work out you can proceed. It take absolutely zero leaps of logic or thought to see how that played out. So why again didn't it play out this way with Grandpa Joe? Probably because he wasn't dumb enough to give Netanyahu a green light if he couldn't negotiate an agreement. We just let one foreign country attack another under false pretenses. Joined that countries bidding and now here we are. Why are we celebrating again?

Evidence of what? They were trying to build a bomb. Nobody would dispute that. Why did Isreal choose not to attack until now? What is different right now (hint, it's not progress with a nuclear weapon).

What part isn't verifiable by Trump himself?

Trump Tells Netanyahu he will negotiate with Iran, to wait 60 days and if he doesn't get anywhere, then he can proceed. Trumps own intelligence agency tells him Iran is no closer to a bomb Despite no evidence that Iran was closer to a bomb, Netanyahu finally attacks Iran (under the pretenses that a bomb was "imminent" and with the approval of Trumps based on his failed negotiations). Israel kills a bunch of Iranian military leaders and strikes at nuclear facilities. Trump joins Netanyahu hoping a direct strike on Nuclear facilities will appease Israel. He simultaneously provides a path for Khamenei to retain leadership in Iran. Since it is entirely possible Iranians removed nuclear research and enrichment materials prior to the srike, we really can' t be sure if Iran has completely removed nuclear capability. But we say they have. Which again is an impossible statement to make, but who cares. So in summary, Trumps failed negotiations empowered Netanyahu to start a conflict under pretenses that were not agreed upon by the intelligence community. Which then pulled the US into this conflict. Now we should celebrate Trump for getting both sides to stop? Did I miss anything?

Imagine living in a country where people can disagree and shouldn't have to leave if they do so. Let me know if a place like that exists anymore.

Because the guy desperate to call his actions spectacular on everything from taking a #2 to bombing a middle eastern country would only ever give it you you straight and his intelligence community is certain those assets were not removed prior and are completely destroyed? They're desperate to appear like they had 100% success because if they didn't this was a big nothing. MAGAs have directly said they don't trust any "news" but somehow you're eating up the "we destroyed all nuclear capability" as if it is irrefutable. Rising to new standards each day friends.

Open and shut. Let’s see how things age with this. We all know the presidents is misleading at best. If this hold up over several weeks we can credit him to forcing Israel to pull back after he allowed them to start.

He’s just so desperate to come off as something. This time peacemaker. This is a pretty complicated situation. A few days ago no US intervention, then “unconditional surrender”, then “regime change MIGA”, now god bless Iran. I can’t keep up with him. Hes changing what he says every day at this point. Do you think this will hold up? Color me a lot of skeptical. Even if it does, are we to celebrate his actions? Far as I can tell Iran most likely still has its nuclear assets. So again, he creates the problem. He sort of solves the problem (maybe? Sometimes?) he then celebrates himself. Why do you think Israel was so ballsy to start? Was it maybe because he felt he could negotiate with Iran because he’s a Fool and to satisfy Israel he said if this doesn’t work out, in 60 days you can bomb them. Well shocking, it didn’t work out. This one is supposed to though? At least he broke the story.

I can’t comment on the presidents obsession with breaking stories on social media? He’s like a 6th grader. He can’t help himself. It’s going to bite him sooner or later and it wouldn’t shock me if it’s sooner.

Time will tell D Man, time will tell

The president, so obsessed with social media and attention, broke this cease fire story. It will be a highlight of his presidency if neither country agrees with his tweet.

Agree, OKC seems really tight as well. Pacers truly have nothing to lose. Will be a very interesting 3rd quarter. I think OKC will start attacking more. They settled for a lot of threes in the first half.

OKC really isn’t playing well. Feels like the energy of the game changed a lot after that injury. Pacers are just impossible to dispose of

Oh Jesus, you saw that calf pop he’s done. Serious injury. 🥺

Fun project! Nice work! I personally don’t like air yard stats just based on the system dependency. Allen had a considerably different profile under Brady vs Dorsey. Really that profile extended into other advanced stats. Higher efficiency stats across the board. Which we should credit Josh for but at the same time Dorsey systems would never allow for that efficiency, no matter how elite he was. Which is really the rub in some of these stats. How much is the system influencing what is happening? Like Daniels. Certainly a rising star but better than Burrow or Lamar? Not yet. But he’s playing in a hyper efficient system. Which is giving him a bump vs others in several categories. I think EPA pass needs to have a place here as well. Perhaps clutch drives. Lot of ways to do it. But neat concept for sure. Thank you!

They played us that way on the division deciding game to end the season the year prior. Running all over us in the first half. Part of the issue with that strategy is the Bills often get ahead a few scores and they can’t stay with it. We also are very effective at run blitzes and TFL’s which can get them behind the sticks. To your point I think he will stay with this approach, can they execute it for 60 minutes?