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I usually bow out of discussions using that chart, because you just cant truly quantify what a player is worth on a static chart like that (not to mention I've been told by more than a couple NFL front office people that they don't even consider it in their trade discussions)... All that said and just for funsies... I'd say high -- like probably multiple valuable picks high. You have to take the whole picture into the equation: We're right in the middle of our SB window As established, I believe this staff thinks highly of everything he does for us His youth and athleticism His knowledge of the defense (even if you think one of the rookies is a "better" player, they absolutely will have a learning curve that could either create problems OR cause us to call a more simplified defense) Free agency isn't exactly flooded with great MLB options, so you're not going to find a 1 for 1 replacement there. Then there's also the consideration of not wanting to trade him to a contending or division team, which narrows your trading partners down by at least 1/3 of the league... So your takeback in an Edmunds trade is going to have to offset ALL of that. Does that exist? Maybe. Is his contract situation a potential reason to move him? I can see the argument. But speaking realistically, I think his value to us, is more than a team out there will want to give on top of a long term contract. If it were me, and I'm absolutely trading Edmunds, I'd be trying to position myself to land Jameson Williams, Breece Hall, an OL upgrade and a CB in the first 2 rounds. Sign a FA to man the spot for a year and a heir to the MLB spot in the 3rd... Would the Steelers give us their 1, 2 and something else to unite the Edmunds brothers? (1230+ points) Texans 1 and 2? (1680) Vikings? (1620) Just not a lot of obvious fits out there where you can talk yourself into the other team being interested... (and for the record, I don't think any of these are realistic)

Yeah I agree on all of this -- wasn't necessarily targeting you, more the larger narrative around him. I think this staff really highly values what he does for this defense, and between all of that, his age, length and athleticism, I don't think there's a better option walking in that door anytime soon. The numbers are what they are, and yes they're "worse" than previous years, but again, I'd also suggest that the staff is probably more concerned about the implication data of those recs, rather than the recs themselves in a vacuum -- what those look like, I don't know.

The problem with independent defensive player analytics like completions when targeted is that they don't encapsulate the whole picture. Like NewEra said, we actively schemed and funneled targets TO Edmunds. I'd want to know how many of those completed targets yac'd more than, say 3 or 4 yards? How many converted 1st downs? How many resulted in missed tackles? This is what anti-Edmunds people are missing. The degree to which this coaching staff trusts Edmunds to be the QB on the defense, make adjustments at the line, communicate and get everyone on the same page and then to also be the guy they want the ball going to, tells me they think he's the anchor of this defense, and it's been one that's been pretty good the last few years. Oh and by the way he's still young and athletic. To be clear, yes, I'd love to see him be better in coverage, OF COURSE it'd be great to have a Deion Sanders-like shutdown guy at MLB, but to expect a rookie, or frankly most of the NFL to do all of the things that Tremaine does for this defense, is asking for trouble.

This is a good thing. McDuffie was a horrendous pick.

Devonte Wyatt is a pretty screaming value at this point, multiple IOLs are high up the board, as is Dax Hill who seems like a great fit for what they do. You do you, but I'd be absolutely floored if they chose a WR at 20...

I'm guessing they'll pay him, but regardless, I'm not sure that justifies using such a high pick on a position they've proven over and over they can squeeze productivity out of for cheaper.

Wow. I don't think I have WR in the top 5 or 6 needs for the Steelers, especially considering their ability to find values later in the draft...

would be for a WR

I didn't think the idea to trade up for Stingley was a particularly good one, but THIS scenario at 20 feels perfect. Steelers and Bills owners are friends. 21-24 could all very conceivably take WRs. We'd have our pick (minus London) of any of the WRs on our board. 25-20 would be a much easier jump to make. If its true that the Steelers are looking at QBs, they can likely get a little more value and still select the same player at 25 that they would have at 20...

Not wanting to hold the draft hostage waiting for trade offers (about to leave for a business dinner), with the 12th pick in the 2022 NFL Draft the Minnesota Vikings select safety, Kyle Hamilton. Looking a bit like Tom Cruise jumping on the couch, WE'RE IN LOVE WITH KYLE HAMILTON, WE'RE IN LOVE WITH KYLE HAMILTON!!! It's never a bad thing when your largest need lines up with the best player in the draft, easy decision... The Texans @MrEpsYtown are on the clock with #13...

The Vikings are very open to moving around at pick 12, should anyone lower in the draft be interested...

Agree with you there, my point was more that when there's 5 or 6 wrs to be voted on (vs., say, 2 cbs) , everyone is going to have their favorites when it's not the actual Bills making the decisions... So if "WR" got 35 votes spread out over 4 or 5 guys in this exercise, vs. say Gordon and McDuffie splitting, say 25, in the real world, you would hope/think that the Bills would be taking WR (such that the right one is there/makes sense) over the CB. It's never as easy as "swap 'player X' in with 'player y', if X goes first" but the splitting of votes feels worth noting...

Though this is kind of a fun exercise, there's certainly some vote splitting going on here... Drake London may end up being a top 10 overall pick, and somehow he's on the outside looking in for what would ultimately be our "top 20"... I know ordering by position can also be messy and isn't as much fun as players, but if we're looking at WR in the first, I have to imagine a guy like London -- even if he's not the #1 or 2 WR on our board, probably would absolutely be the priority over a guy like McDuffie or Gordon.

@Virgil I'm in if there are still spots open. Put me wherever.

Agree to disagree. Beane flat out said we wanted a CB in the 2nd but the one we wanted went too early. There were only 3 CBs drafted between our 1st and 2nd picks (one of them was Campbell, who went immediately after we took Groot) so it's literally either him or Asante Samuel Jr. Of the two, Joseph is a way better fit for how we like to draft, so that's where I'm coming from...

This guy would've been our 2nd round pick if he'd gotten anywhere near us. Pretty crazy...

Pickens is a beast. The WRs in this draft are all very talented, so it's very much a "pick your favorite flavor" in terms of who you think is the best, or what kind of player fit you're looking for, but I've been saying for weeks on this board that he'd be right there with the other top names if it weren't for his injury... I'd be ecstatic if he were our pick at 25.

Some of that is earmarked for James Bradberry

"Boom" (but only in the John Madden voice and coming immediately after about 12 muttered, indistinguishable words strung together) "Whoooop" (only Chris Berman style) "Jacked up" (must be screamed by everyone present in the room, in chorus, as loudly as possible, immediately following a massive and obviously illegal hit)

Speaking of stoned to death... Taking a punter in the 2nd round should get our entire front office stoned to death. That's football malpractice for ANY team, let alone one who set a notable streak for, *checks notes* NOT PUNTING.

I'm very obviously biased, but the Thibideaux stuff absolutely floors me. The kid played hurt for a significant portion of his college career and was double and triple teamed on nearly every play, OF COURSE he took plays off. I'm not sure I've seen another player in person who was a more fiery and emotional leader, yet some how that all loses out in the 'narrative' part of the draft process to the guy having other interests and recognizing his business value early. It won't matter for us cuz there's no way we'll get him, but I think he's going to be the player we (the royal 'we', not me, specifically ) look back on and ask "what were we doing ranking him that low?"

1. CB 2. WR 3. LB 4. CB 5. TE 6. OL Black

100%, and to further complicate things, those variables VARY by position! I don't envy GMs these days

I like Cross a lot. And maybe under Daboll the Giants pivot to the route of airing it out like we've done with Josh, but I think it's a tough fit when your best skill player is your RB. To your point on Andrew Thomas, he's a "run the ball" draft pick, obviously a new regime so the philosophy could absolutely change, but I think I see Icky as being a better, more well-rounded fit to the Giants. But yes, as a prospect in general, I like Cross a lot too. On the Panthers, hard to see them just shutting it down for a year and also not getting whatever value they can out of trading McCaffrey. Rhule may be a dead man walking in the sense that he won't succeed and will eventually get fired, but hanging onto CmC and also not drafting a QB and also not firing their coach and wiping the slate clean... feels like purgatory to me...