Ethan in Cleveland

I totally understand your take and mostly agree. But you have to admit stats matter to a large degree. You can lots of players matter to the success of their team. Look waht happened to Dolphins without Tua. Dallas without Dak. Take Daniels away from Washington and they win 5 games. Take Lamar away from Henry and Henry is not getting anywhere near the rush yards he has. It goes both ways with Jackson and Henry. I do think the turnover narrative was real and ultimately prevented Allen from winning it last year. I don't understand why people think there is a narrative for Lamar to win the MVP. Don't know where that comes from. The media love all great QBs. In the end I think Allen wins it but my cases for the other players are still valid. I get your point. And yes no playoffs and no way he is in MVP discussion. So when Allen was great last year and the Bills defense was garbage almost missing the playoffs, it was still an MVP performance. But when Burrow overcomes a trash defense it is not. I got it.

I think it is on in Cleveland too. I'm rounding in the hospital and someone sid my patient was watching the Bills

I'm at work. Did Mitch fail two QB sneaks??? Lol. He can't even fall forward

Why? Garrett publicly basically said he wants out of Cleveland. Browns are most likely going to blow up the roster as the oline has gotten old quick and they have no QB. Very good chance Garrett is traded. Probably will take two #1s and a huge contract extension. Problem is Bills first round draft picks will be very late round picks. Browns won't trade to Cinci. But there is probably a team that is out if the playoffs and has a QB now that might make the move. Maybe a team like Miami, AZ, or the Bears.

Offense regressed from last year. Watson of course was the major issue. Dorsey got a bit screwed with oline and TE injuries. He got Jerry Jeudy over 1000 yards. Nobody can fix Winston's high INT rate. He needs to go back to college at this point.

Going to get flamed here, but in most other years Allen is the runaway MVP. He yet may still win it this year. This is the best he has ever played. No player means more to his team than Allen does, even Barkley. Being the first NFL QB to get 40 TDs 5 years in a row is unreal, but MVP is a single season - regular season award. Lamar Jackson going for 4000 yards and 900 rushing has never been done before - I know 17 games vs 16 but it is still unprecedented. He has 13 more TD passes than Allen and his TD/INT ratio is ridiculous. His passer rating is 18 points higher than Allen's. This season is also the best he has ever played. Burrow leads the league in passing yards and TDs, and has a higher passer rating than Allen. He has lead his team with one of the worst defenses in the league to a possible playoff spot. You can make an argument even with how great Jackson has been, Burrow has been the better QB. Barkley's rushing season is more historic than Allen's. His season is 8th best all time, and he is one decent carry away from a top 5 all time season. In any other year Allen is MVP, but in this one year you can make a case he isn't even in the top 3.

Anyone know the personal issue for Cooper? Practice quick punts on 3rd down

You have the 2nd round picks backwards. Bills will be picking 64 th in second round. Vikings probably around 58.

Has to he one of the worst QB drafts in quite some time! Some dumb team will overvalued Sanders. On the flip side, is there a consensus non-QB top player? Hunter? I don't think there is a Myles Garrett type guy out there either.

Really? Why? I literally just posted the opposite in another thread. White can make plays. Trubisky has been bad every time he gets a chance to play. Wouldn't you love to see a flea flicker? The entire world is expecting a hand off. Would be the easiest TD pass of his career.

100% agree. No idea why these coaches don't call real plays for the backups to get real game experience. You can still be safe Also, I don't think you really want to see Mitch. He's proven he is bad. Honestly hope he is awful this weekend and White looks good. I'd much rather have White in an emergency in the playoffs.

That's only partially true. Fumbles are luck. Like Shakir fumbling last game but ball immediately going out of bounds. Interceptions are mostly not. Even a tip ball INT requires skill to get hands up and then react to the tipped pass.

If there is no signing bonus and not guaranteed then it doesn't hurt your cap if they cut him next camp. Just keeps him in the fold until next year. Probably much cheaper option than Trubisky if they do keep him.

Yes

Almost zero chance he dresses Sunday It makes no sense. The whole reason he was signed three years ago was to play in the post season not in a meaningless regular season game.

Almost all of them. McDermott costs us a game or two a year and Allen usually is responsible for a loss. Last year it was the Jets opener and this year it was the Texans. Outside of the Rams game, the games were all decided win or loss on how Allen played. Beane has barfed all over the DL. That's the biggest weakness on this team. Rousseau is too inconsistent and Oliver is woefully even more inconsistent. Epenesa made his two impact plays of the year. Other than that he's a massive liability against the run. This next draft will see Edge and DT taken with two of the first three picks and maybe all three. He had a top 3 WR in the league for several years in a row. He's made some bad FA signings but Davis, Shakir, Knox, Kincaid. And even Hollins have been solid.

You forget Cinci has to play defense too. They are putrid on defense. McDermott's Achilles heel has always been physical teams. Honestly KC is one of the best matchups in the AFC. Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and LA all have tough physical trams with tough coaches. Those are the real challenges. It's going to be Denver in the first round anyways

Nope. You need to win four games. Nobody cares who you beat if you win it all

I understand it's mostly meaningless. However It's brought up when talking about their legacy. 20 years from now when we argue if Cook was better than Joe Cribbs or Travis Henry we will quote ProBowls. Lol. The fact Kincaid is a fifth alternate(whatever that is) is a joke too. He's been a total disappointment in year 2.

https://www.nfl.com/news/2025-pro-bowl-games-complete-afc-roster-revealed Only two Bills! Allen and Dawkins Cook beat out by Joe Mixon??? That is a travesty. Spencer Brown beat out by Tunsil No Taron Johnson and no Christian Benford. Wow this is a massive slight!!

Agree with OP. Van Pran is a possible starter in the future.

I'm terrified they face a HC that commits to the run.

You are forgetting the SuperBowl they lost when both starting OT were lost to injuries in the playoffs Yes. They have played 4-3 a few times this year. Baltimore and recent Jets game come to mind. Usually they switch to it after getting gashed in the run game. But quickly go back to nickel. Baltimore was a disaster because Morrow was the third LB.

Terrible non call on targeting call on final drive of regulation. Bad choice to blitz 4th and 13. ASU was mostly outclassed but blew an upset opportunity

Incredible OT. I hate Texas and Sarkesian