WideNine

I could see them trying to out-tank the NFL for 2 years.... process the "Miami" way.

Wax on wax off...

I have peace with it. I like Rosen, but I think defenses can get to him and he is not very mobile. Would rather have Rosen down there than watch the fins tank all the way and pick up that Clemson QB.

DK has some kind of stank on him right now. Butler gets the drops and we all know how we feel about that. Ridley is a box of rocks but a very good receiver. Isabella is a sure handed slot guy IMO

Well workout videos and abs aside, I think it is the medical and team doctor's take on the neck injury - that and he can only run in a straight line (and yes, I am exaggerating before I make the DK folks blow a fuse).

Yeah, I was not too scared off by it... seemed to grow up a bit after his transfer. That Vols program seems to me to have been pretty toxic.

I like Josh and Preston. The kid was wasted in that Colorado offense, but they used him everywhere... outside, inside, on sweeps. Good size and decent hands.

Ack.... its a run on my TEs ?

There goes Jenkins...good pick by GB to groom at C to protect Roger's.

Inspired is coming ....Raiders are on the clock swinging for the fence.

Good pick, good value at the position.

Not every player can get a Bama scholarship....jscholarship....just got to find the men amongst the boys. That fits Oliver. He is a great fit for this defense.

How about the other Oliver in this draft. Josh Oliver. 6'5" and change. Runs a 4.6 40, had the largest hands out of the class, graded very well in all the combine drills. Excellent receiver with surprisingly good blocking fundamentals but lacks strength. I believe I read that he had some basketball and snow boarding background and thought those translate well to a TE having good to excellent balance and being able to track and highpoint the ball. The knock on Oliver is he came out if a smaller program at San Jose St. and will need some NFL level coaching up to get stronger and refine his game. He was their program's go-to guy and a man amongst boys which is what you look for in weaker conferences and teams. There are a few more TE prospects that I will be alright with the Bills taking, but that's my TE pick for the Bills. I can't shake the feeling that the Pats will take him before the 4th with one of the 5 picks they have in the 2nd and 3rd round.

Wonder if the players will prank him this year and present him with a Bills' jacket to wear on the side line?

I don't think that either is the wrong QB, they both bring their own set of skills that can lead to success in the right situations. I like some of Darnold's game and he does not have to suck for Allen to be good.

All I know for sure is that NE (working the comp system) has 5 picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and it is very likely they piss me off tonight. Just say'n.

Evolving term to take into account both traditional defensive ends and smaller players that are closer in size to linebackers like Hughes in our 4-3, or going back in history like Lawrence Taylor was to the 3-4 defense. Taylor who was labeled a linebacker would be labeled an edge rusher today considering how he was used. Basically it is easier to give those players who primarily rush the passer off the edge a scheme-neutral label "edge rusher" Makes the position more flexible in terms of scheme and what kind of players can be used to fill it, by focusing on the defensive role. Also they may not be lined up on the "end" of the d-line at all, as teams like Seattle made splitting those guys off into a "wide nine" position more popular. Just my take.

It is ok to like both players. Hockenson did not have to be a terrible, risky, or a "mouth breathing" disaster of a prospect for me to like Oliver more and rank him a few spots higher. I don't get too caught up with position in the draft other than knowing you have to mindful of how competitive it is to fill some roles ( good QBs come to mind), and what your team needs are (not desperation need, just guys that can be plugged into a meaningful role). I also look at whether the prospect is a standout player at their position who has a high probability to step in an contribute. I felt Hockenson was that kind of blocking/receiving offensive talent who could do that for a team with a shorter learning curve than most. Glad he went to Detroit rather than a team in our division. He should be a good player for Matt Patricia.

The Bills scheme will have Oliver attacking the gaps with plenty of added twists and stunts to take advantage of his bend, ability to shed blocks, and speed. Our d-line has too many guys on it now who tend to get tangled up with blockers struggling on the wrong side of the LOS. The main reason RBs were hitting our 2nd level LBs and safeties with a full head of steam. We need players that can be disruptive on the other side of the LOS. Oliver and a few other DTs that went early last night fit the bill.

I rated Hockenson much higher than Fant because he catches everything, athletic enough to beat coverage (check the cone and shuttle drills), was awarded the Mackey award as the top TE in the nation (first time to a sophomore), declared early so still has room to grow, but was also a well above average blocker in just his first full year. So it would be like having an extra o-lineman to in pass-pro or to open holes for your RB, who could also beat LBs, S, and DBs for passes. Fant may develop into that all around TE and he is clearly the more freakish athlete, but the drops and subpar blocking left me leary and BTW they were rarely used on the field together which gave Hawkeye fans fits with how Ferentz was using them. I did not have any other TE's graded in the 1st, and if we pick up one later I don't want just an over-sized WR, I want a guy who has at least the foundation for becoming an effective blocker too. I had Oliver going to the Bills even if Hockenson was available.

I really like the Oliver pick, but am hoping they are able to pickup a good TE prospect later that can both catch and block. I feel like the Bills have not had an offense that featured an impact TE for 20+ years - time to join the rest of the better offenses in the league who seem to have a clue about how to take advantage of that skill position.

Fits their mold of that guy who can operate in traffic and make contested catches.

So you don't like tight ends being rated high in a draft as they do not impact winning or losing and edge rushers do. OK - fair enough, as I have not done any comparisons against a team that had 2 edge rushers go in the 1st. Would think things like coaching, your QB, and how competitive the conference was would factor in the W/L column too. Maybe too subjective to prove either way.

So...is your point that since IA is great at scouting and getting Tight Ends NFL-ready, that they should be winning more games, or are you upset with the fact that they produced two Tight Ends that went in the first round?

Plenty of decent receivers left no need for folks to panic AJ Brown Hakeem Butler Deebo Whiteside N'Keal Preston Williams Riley Ridley (the slow blinker, but good WR)