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2 hours ago, BmarvB said:
10-6 looks doable to me, but 9-7 seems more realistic with this schedule. Matt Parrino is calling for a split with the pats. I have my doubts about that one.
This is a tough question and I found myself thinking about this in past couple of days. We have gotten better there's no doubt but I see about 12 teams in the AFC that are gonna battle for 6spots . So basically we have to beat out 4 other teams for 1 of 2 wildcard spots.
AFC East, Pat's, Bills , Jets
North Browns, Steelers, Ravens
South Colts, Texans, Jags, Titans
West Chiefs, Chargers
That's 12 teams competition will be tough. I'm thinking Allen must take a huge leap forward if we are to compete and win 10-11 gms.
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23 minutes ago, blacklabel said:
If you think Mahomes would've had the same success here as he did in KC you're mistaken.
And I compared Milano to Hurst to show that a guy drafted in the fifth had more of an impact than a guy drafted two rounds earlier. Milano also made more game-changing plays which is something you feel their draft picks lack. You came back with "oh, you can't compare a linebacker and a DT" except you didn't point that out in your initial post. You just said their picks haven't been game-changers and I highlighted a draft pick of theirs that has made some game-changing plays in terms of turnovers.
I dont consider Milano a game changer i consider him a borderline pro bowler. Which is great for a 5th rd pk. He makes plays there's no doubt but that's not all that makes a player a game changer in my opinion. A game changer is a player the other teams must account for in a major way in there gm plan a player that opens it up for other teammates. Milano plays well in our system and is a great fit for Mcd. But he is not a game changer yet.
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27 minutes ago, SoTier said:
Well, being named a "starter" on a team that doesn't have a competent starter at that position isn't quite the same as being named the starter over a competent veteran who could be starter on most teams in the league. Stephon Gilmore was gone before Tre White was drafted. Cordy Glenn was injured in 2017 and then traded away in 2018, and when Dion Dawkins didn't have Richie Incognito helping him out in 2018, he sucked. In 2018 Allen, Edmunds, and Teller had absolutely no viable competition to beat out, and in Allen's case, the Bills brain trust of McDermott and Beane made sure of that by trading away Taylor before the draft and McCarron before the regular while keeping Peterman on the roster.
I understood you perfectly. You claimed that the Bills lacked talent before the arrival of McDermott and Beane, and that's simply untrue. They had talent but chose to get rid of it rather than build on the foundation that they had. So, the absence of Gilmore, Woods, Goodwin, Watkins, Brown, Glenn, Taylor, Dareus, etc and all the others are very much in play in any discussion of the McDermott-Beane regime.
Talent recognition is the major function of any team's GM or HC/GM combo, and at best, McDermott and Beane have done a mediocre job at best. They shed good talent for nothing or next to nothing. They have overpaid and/or totally missed on poor talent like Jones and Peterman. They gamble on projects and apparently think that hard work and practice can somehow turn poor players into good ones when the talent simply isn't there.
If White beat out Gilmore for the starting job, THAT would be an accomplishment. Beating out air ain't nothing to brag about. If Dawkins beat out a healthy Glenn, then he's the real deal. Beating air ain't nothing. Allen beating out Taylor would be a big deal -- that's exactly what Mayfield did in Cleveland -- but beating out Nate Peterman is less than nothing.
No I didn't claim before they arrived that's were u misunderstood me. I was talking in reference to the rookies that started like Wallace and Foster . Basically we didn't have talent so they got there opportunity to play and prove there worth. If they went to a more stable situation they would still be in Flux. Maybe not even in the league at all. I wonder how many players are just a casualty circumstances.
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53 minutes ago, blacklabel said:
Hindsight is always 20/20. You never know how a pick is going to work out. The consensus on Mahomes is pretty much the same across the board: if he hadn't landed in KC with Reid and that supporting cast he's probably nowhere near the QB he's become. And look at the other players you mentioned, they're all playing with franchise QBs, except maybe Kittle because he did what he did last year without Garoppolo. Kamara has Drew Brees and Sean Payton, one of the most creative offensive minds ever, JuJu has Ben and now he'll be "the guy" without AB there, Galladay has Stafford and Kupp has Goff. Maurice Hurst was diagnosed with a heart condition at the combine last year and fell down a lot of boards. He racked up 30 tackles and 4 sacks last year, I wouldn't exactly call that game changing. Milano, drafted two rounds later than Hurst, had 78 tackles, 13.5 of them for loss, forced a fumble, recovered three fumbles and had three interceptions. That's six separate times he got the ball back for the offense. I'd say that can be game-changing. It's easy to sit back and say "oh they missed out on that guy!" once that guy has an outstanding season. But guess what? 31 other teams missed out on that guy as well. It's just how it goes.
I actually follow the draft pretty closely every yr it's a hobby of mine . Mahomes I had him rated #1 that yr and I wish the Bills had taken him. U can say all u want about hindsight if u like but don't know me buddy.
Now to your football acumen. You compared Hurst a DT3 to a Will LBer in Milano. Cmon man. 30tks and 4sacks is great for a rookie DT on a horrible team. How many times did Hurst get to tee off and pass rush while his team was winning gms? Not many huh.
I said the Bills were headed in the right direction but it's getting borderline overboard with the Beane love when we haven't done anything yet. Imagine had we won 11gms last yr the Beane posts would never stop. Don't get mad at me for pointing out mistakes this administration has made these last 2yrs. Btw I was saying these were mistakes during the draft so I known I have a foot to stand on.
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1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:
Yes, buy you said was the team had an overall lack of talent, and since we were talking about the team two years ago, when McD arrived, there wasn't a lack of talent. They had Gilmore, Wattkins, Dareus, Hughes, Kyle, Incognito.
It wasn't the talent McD wanted, but if was talent.
I know what I said and u must not of understood me. The team was gutted so u can't bring Sammy or Gilmore into the discussion. Opportunity for guys like Foster and Wallace to prove there good NFL players come from the lack of talent on this team. If Gilmore and Sammy was here the only opportunity these guys would of had was watching them perform on the bench . Teams that suck usually find more UDFA then teams that are great. Matter of fact the better UDFA choose to go to those teams because they have more of an opportunity to stick on those teams.
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1 hour ago, mjt328 said:
Wow. Do you apply the same standards to every NFL front office when it comes to drafting?
Every successful player that we didn't draft is a "big mistake"? Do you really expect us to walk out of every draft with 7 All-Pro players?
If you look around the league, a successful draft will yield about 3 starting-level players and some quality depth.
A fantastic draft might get you 4 starters and some depth. Getting more than that is extremely rare.
Either way (good or positive), it's really too early to determine how well this regime has drafted. You really can't make a definitive judgment on a player until at least 3 seasons. Which means certain players could still move up or down. Some of the young guys on our team could still BECOME game-changers. The 2017 class could yield us a few Pro-Bowlers and some solid starters. It's also possible we only get two long-term guys out of this group. So far:
- Tre'Davious White looks like a future Pro-Bowler.
- Zay Jones had a bad rookie season, and an OK second year. At this point, he's not starting material, but can he continue to progress?
- Dion Dawkins showed promise as a rookie, but slid backwards last season. Can he turn it around and become a dependable starter?
- Matt Milano was good as a rookie and even better last year. If he keeps progressing, we may see him in the Pro-Bowl too.
It's really tough to say anything about the 2018 class. Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmunds, Harrison Phillips, Taron Johnson and Wyatt Teller - along with Levi Wallace and Robert Foster (UDFA) all flashed various levels of long-term starting potential. But it will be another season or two before we can be confident whether they will work out or not.
I was just pointing out it wasn't as fantastic as some suggest. I think a average gm should get 3 starters out of a draft the great one can get 5. I like Beane just think we should scale bk the man love here for him. I mean how many posts do we need here where people are given this guy to much respect. Beane has done a reasonable job so far . He's built up the teams overall depth added a potential Star QB and LB in Edmunds but like I said this team RIGHT NOW IS DEVOID OF GAME CHANGERS... Yes we have some potential in Tre White, Milano, Foster , Allen & Edmunds but none of them are there yet. I'm just saying let's see this team earn the recognition the Gm is getting in 2019 before we have a post about this guy every 2 secs on this board.
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20 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
I think it's pretty hard to make your case. Bills were 7-9 and 8-8 for the two years before those drafts, and they had crappy coaching except for Lynn in the second tear. How bad could the talent have been?
It's obvious they gutted the roster that's why.
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43 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:
I know people will talk about Beane not being GM yet but him and McDermott have their fingerprints all over the 2017 draft.
Just off the bat , these drafts were 'Franchise Changing'. We're going to have 8-10 starters from these drafts entering week 1 of the upcoming season! And most these guys are high end starters. That's pretty amazing.
Milano - Edmunds
Tre -Taron - Levi
Totally rebuilt the D in 2 years, that's incredible.
5 legit starters that all played a huge part in the #2 pass defense.
Harry Phillips plays a key role and can only improve.
Siran Neal is okay depth but again , he can only get better.
Even minus Neal , we added 6 legit contributers on defense in 2 years.
Dawkins - Teller (?)
Allen
Foster
So there's 3 legit starters , including Franchise QB .
Then you got Zay , Teller , Croom as good depth and should be major contributers.
That's 6 legit contributers on offense going into next year.
In that 2 year span we averaged 4 starters and 6 impact players. That's amazing when you think about it. These 2 drafts already have and will continue to have a huge impact on this franchise.
This is how you build a team and set them up for long term success.
If we can continue to draft this well , we'd have long term,. Sustainable success. I've been saying that since they were hired . I've just had this gut feeling about them . 15 wins with their rosters is extremely impressive. Both seem to have the exact same vision and blueprint and work well together. Calculated, intelligent , patient . Big things are in store for this franchise.
I would say they did a solid job and part of the reason we had guys come out of nowhere was from the overall lack of talent that was on this team. That gives young players more opportunities to showcase there talents. But at the same time u have to give credit to Mcd and his staff for developing these players.
On the flip side we also made some big mistakes these last 2 drafts. Mahomes was the major mistake then follow that up with a ton of young skill position guys they missed out on. Kamara, Kittle, Juju , Galladay, Kupp are a few that come to mind in 2017 and in 2018 we had Maurice Hurst just waiting to be drafted and we took another run stopper instead in Harrison. These kind of mistakes are costly as now we might spend a 1st rd pk on filling that hole at the 3T . I think overall this administration has done a good job and we are headed in the right direction but we lack game changers on this team and that will be the hardest part of this team building . Otherwise we are building to become the next Tennessee Titans a 9-7 middle pack team.
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19 hours ago, HOUSE said:
Andre Dillard - OT , Geeeez,
This pk would make me throw up a Lil in my mouth. Lol . So would a corner.
18 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:IMO Dillard is being artificially pushed up people's boards because he is seen as the best pure LT prospect in the draft, where most of the top tackles are RTs and people are preemptively deciding that teams are going to move Jonah Williams to G. He might be a decent prospect, but he is not a top 10 player in this draft.
This OT class is very uninspiring in my opinion.
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2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:
You have to watch out with the trade backs - it is easy for any other team who wants a player to leap frog you. The only problem I have with Hock is that more than likely there will be a blue chip DL/OL players there that you shouldn't pass up if you are truly BPA; if any QBs get taken before us, the chances for top tier talent is there for our picking.
I want a TE as much as anyone, but I couldn't take Hock over an OT/Oliver at 9. I'm thinking we might not make it to Hock, but Fant or the guy from Notre Dame may be a good target for us and more realistic for us to get.
I see Hock as a blue chip TE . Let me ask u this question what's more difficult to add to your team an elite TE or DE? I see elite DE getting traded or on the block for a trade . U never see elite TEs in there prime even being mentioned in a deal. Once a team has 1 they don't even think about letting him go. I realize a elite pass rusher on the Dline is essential to a team but elite TEs are not in abundance. It's a supply and demand sort of thing.
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17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I agree on the second point. Still think pass rusher is in play for GB at #12.
We actually might be the perfect trade up team for the Pack if they want Devin White @9.
Bills trade 9,40, 5th for 12, 30 & 4th
#12 DT3 Wilkins
#30 TE Fant
Or package some pks and move up for Hockenson
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8 hours ago, Da webster guy said:
I'm not a fan of him for our team simply because I think we have 4 guys that have proven themselves to be able to get separation and move the chains, and I can't stop thinking about how embarrassing it was when the Patriots were simply handing off the ball and Sony Michel and Burkhead etc. gashed us for almost 300 yards, over 6 ypc.
You can have three Julio Joneses and still not win a game with that kind of defense.
We just can't ignore that kind of shredding, and if we're in a position to land a game changing defensive guy who can help us stop the run I believe we need to do it.
U can't knee jerk to one example of getting our butt whipped by the Pat's. If your looking for help look to free agency if your looking for difference makers then look to the draft.
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5 hours ago, #34fan said:
Look, from day 1 Hockenson helps us move the chains. If he's anywhere near what he was in college, the Bills start moving the chains AT-WILL.. Which, in case no one's paying attention, is exactly what the Patriots do to us. (Every single time
) No matter who your pick is at 9, you can't ignore that type of ability on draft day.
I see Hock as a bona-fide All Pro just like Q Nelson from last yrs draft. Hock will have a major effect on the lucky team that takes him. He's a baller and ballers no matter the position should go high in the draft.
Teams that live by those old crusty rules of not taking certain positions high in the draft those are the same teams that will be wishing they had Hock on there team the next 10yrs.
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14 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:
If Taylor or Oliver are there at 9 - we snag them at 9. I am not ruling out a trade back in rd 1 for Hock though; how we pull that off is another question.
Everyone keeps saying trade back and take Hock . It's not happening he won't be there. The Pack will take him at #12 no doubt about it.
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If we go Dline at #9 I'm thinking and hoping it's either Oliver or Wilkins.
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3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:
Jon Ledyard/The Draft Network
Traits assessed:
production
NfL Combine performance
Arc/Burst Speed
Bend/Flexibility
Rush Moves
Counters
Run Defense
Character/Work Ethic
Bosa, Burns, Allen were only ones he graded Round 1
I'm going on record these DEs are overrated and I would hate for the Bills to waste a pk on any of these guys. Unless Allen or Bosa falls which is not gonna happen. I'll pass on
Sweat
Burns
Ferrell
Gary
3 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:I'll be honest, if the Bills do take someone on the edge, and early I'd hope to ***** its Burns.
I honestly think there could be a case made for Ferrell too. Would be a little high for my blood, but could see why they would possibly go that route.
Ferrell is Shaq 2.0
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17 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:
I will start with WR - based upon Spotrac both Brown and Beasley are around 30th to 35th WR contracts in the league. So that is low end starter level - so what would I expect - at that level and price - I expect complimentary pieces that are going to make plays and keep the offense moving.
I am not expecting 1500 yards and 100 catches from either. At that level we should be looking for 60 catches and maybe 750 to 1000 yards for Brown - maybe mid 15+ YPA and for Beasley probably 50-60 catches - maybe 600-750 yards and a bunch of 3rd down conversions.
I do not consider John Brown a high priced piece based upon the recent WR contracts as he is paid as one of the lower starting guys in the league with additional FAs and contracts
18 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:The two high priced cogs in the Bills offensive machine are McCoy and John Brown. What level of performance will be considered good performances for the investment this year?
I realize there are no substitutes for winning, so if the team goes 19-0, no one will care even if they are cut. Just a question on what would be considered good results for the investment. (I also realize McCoy is a sunk cost, but still what are people hoping for from him to consider his season a success? )
I think when it comes to Brown it's not just stats which I think will be reasonable. He'll get about 700yds and 6-8 tds. It's the attention he will command that can really be the difference for this offense.
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3 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:
I’ve had Sweat going to GB in my brain for a while. He seems like the perfect 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE tweener for Pettine’s defense. I honestly think he has more value for a 3-4 unless he can perform at the higher weight.
The Pack added Za'Darius Smith and Preston Smith to there defense I can see them going either Hock or DK at #12.
3 hours ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:I’m not a fan of Sweat... I don’t think his production matched his ability, and he always looks light in the rear when he is engaged with a blocker. Reminds me a lot of that DE from Oregon that Miami drafted when we drafted Kiko.
His supposed “highlights” were very ‘meh’ to me... and those were his best plays. As someone said before, Polite is WAY better IMO.
Sweat is much better player then Dion Jordon coming out of Oregon. DJ was a master of none type player a true tweener. Bad comp.
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13 hours ago, Virgil said:
How is Fant ahead of Hockenson in more of the rankings I’m seeing?
Because the underwear Olympics has a effect on people's judgement of football talent.
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11 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:
There won't be a need for that because if he doesn't fall to us that just means an equally talented player like Williams, Allen, Wilkins, Gary, White or Ferrell will be there. Though I'd prefer Oliver you really can't go wrong with the 9 pick.
The odds are against every single one of these players being good in the NFL.
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12 hours ago, NewDayBills said:
DISCLAIMER: Not all of these players would be wise to take at 9. At 7 you will start to see a drop off in talent in which case I would desire to trade down if necessary.
1.) Nick Bosa
2.) Quinnen William's
3.) Josh Allen
4.) Ed Oliver
5.) Devin White
6.) Jawaan Taylor
7.) Noah Fant
8.) Marquise Brown
9.) Greg Little
I got Little with 2nd rd grade.
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We need Game changers on offense and defense. We have a really good complementary pieces in place.
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23 hours ago, TBBills Fan said:
To have a Front office and coaching staff that seem to be more than competent with a specific plan on how to build and develop a club for sustained success.
Having lived through the 90s greatness and all the pitfalls we have seen since with coaches, front office personnel...it seems like the sun may be finally rising for us Bills fans!
Its nice to not be scratching my head at moves made and thinking wtf....
Sustained success is a real possibility
Go Bills
I think there headed in the right direction . But the real work begins with these 2 upcoming drafts . We need Game changers on offense and defense. It's easy to find complementary pieces and we have done a great job doing this but we need those difference makers if we are to become contenders. Right now we got 3 guys that need to grow into those roles Allen, Edmunds and Tre White.
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21 hours ago, RyanC883 said:
I think trading is a possibility. Say LB White is available. The Steelers NEED an ILB. They would likely swap 1st and give us a 2nd or 3rd. That'd be hard to pass-up, esp. if we think one of the Iowa TE's is available at 20, and get an Edge before the draft.
ON THE OTHER HAND:
Say something crazy happens like Bosa, Williams, or Allen is available at say 4. I could see a trade-up. The Raiders are crazy? Perhaps Zay Jones and our 1st to trade up.
Most likely: we stay where we are and choose between White and Oliver. A great problem to have, IMO! Then trade back into the first and grab an OT.
I would want a 2 and a 1 next yr to swap with Pitt. 11spots in this draft is huge drop off in talent. But I do agree take the TE @#20.
All Troublemaker Team
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by BillsFan1988
How bout the all tough guy team. Right off the top of my head. 70s-present day
QB Jim Kelly
QB Brett Favre
FB Larry Csonka
FB Sam Gash
RB Walter Payton
RB Marshawn Lynch
WR Hines Ward
WR Steve Smith
WR Andre Reed
TE Rob Gronkowski
TE Mark Bavaro
RT Jon Runyan
RG Kevin Gogan
C Bruce Matthews
LG Ritchie Incognito
LT Tony Boseli
DE Mean Joe Greene
DE Reggie White
DT Steve McMichael
DT John Randle
MLB Mike Singletary
MLB Ray Lewis
MLB Chris Speilman
OLB Lawrence Taylor
OLB Bill Romonowski
OLB Kevin Greene
CB Antoine Winfield
CB Rod Woodson
SS Ronnie Lott
FS Steve Atwater
This team is gonna need some extra Lawyers, Doctors & some physiatrists
I know I'm missing so many but this was right off my head. Anyone feel free to add as u like.