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1 hour ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:
I don't know whether there is really a sweet spot for trading up or not. It seems to me that things like teams moving up to draft QB's or a serious run on a particular position create the opportunities to trade up or down. Nine may not be high enough to get one of the coveted QB's and it may be so high that the run on a particular position has not materialized. Some posters act as though Beane merely needs to decide to trade up or down and it will happen. It takes two teams with agreement over the price of the trade. After reading a lot about this draft class, there are about 12 guys that look to be very high quality picks. The next tier seems to be valued more than other years and may include the next 40 players. If you can get one of those top 12 and two of the next 40, you've done a good job. This would require a move up toward the end of day one or early on day two.
I'm hoping for teams moving up to snag a QB. This may create a chance to move down and still get one of the players that they value but with a lower pick (plus gaining an extra day two pick).
I made this post explaining why Sea/Balt can be sweet spots for a deal at 21/22 . They will be moving unless a player they have ranked very highly falls to them book it.
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18 hours ago, mannc said:
So the team that fielded one of the worst offenses in NFL history for most of last season should give up premium picks to move up for an interior defensive lineman in a draft that is absolutely stacked with defensive line talent? People just never learn.
90% chance none of these guys available at #40 . So if u want one u definitely have to trade up.
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I should of added in case we take Taylor or Dilliard at #9 who we can trade up for at #21/22.
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Even though I have grown to admire JA as a person and a player I still think we messed up not drafting Mahomes the previous draft. But for last yr we did the right thing.
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Just now, racketmaster said:
I’d love the second scenario where we draft Oliver/Sweat but trade back up for AJ Brown. Bills would add 2 immediate impacts on both sides of the ball.
That's definitely a possibility I should of probably added more Wrs to the list but figured the Bills would wait till #40 because the value is great at that pt for that position.
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I don't think the Bills will trade our 1st in 2020 to move up in this draft so I'm listing the teams where we can move up to that meets the value .
Top Players the Bills will target to move up for Bosa, Allen, Quinnen or possibly Oliver
#5 Bucs- The Bucs have needs at LB, Pass Rush and possibly Oline so there definitely a team that can entertain moving back with the Bills if there's a player or players they identify at #9 . The cost could be a 2nd this yr and a 3rd in 2020 or and even more to move up for us.
#6 NYG- Same as the Bucs the Giants have many holes to fill can be willing to move bk 3 spots to #9 , price possibly a 3 & 5 to get there .
Bottom of first
21/22 Seahawks or Ravens I listed these teams together because there pretty much in the same situation . They both don't have a 2nd rd pk and there both teams that love to take BPA . Knowing this draft has the same type of players from 20s to 40s these 2 teams will look to move bk. The Price is a 2nd, 3rd , 4th & 5th . I also have been hearing multiple reports that these teams are both seeking to trade bk.
Now depending on who we take at #9 these can be the player or players we move up for.
# 9 - Hock, if we draft Hockenson the Bills can possibly move up for either DTs Wilkins, Simmons, Tillery or Lawerence and at DE Burns or Ferrell.
# 9- Oliver or Sweat- if we go DT or DE I wouldn't rule out us trading up for the other position on the Dline . Same players I listed above can be there . Also if we are seeking a player on offense the targets can be TE Noah Fant or WR DK Metcalf.
The question is what would be the best combination to trade up for in this draft. These are just a few examples here on the bottom feel free to come up with your own.
1. Hock and Wilkins
2. Oliver and Fant
3. Oliver and Burns
4. Sweat and Simmons
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On 4/4/2019 at 5:18 AM, njbuff said:
The Bills can find a quality starting TE in the mid rounds in this draft.
That's where a lot of NFL starting TE's are found anyways.
Very few Kellen Winslow Sr's out there who were high draft picks at TE and immediately turned into superstars.
The game is changing teams are catching on to the importance of the TEs . 3 of them will go in the 1st rd .
How many TEs go in the first rd on a yr to yr basis not many 1 at the most on average maybe less then that. I expect that number to start to rise now that on the college and high school levels there starting to put the best athletes at this position.
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On 4/4/2019 at 7:16 AM, XABI64 said:
no thanks
he can't block. TE's who can't block don't last long in this league. Hockenson is one of the best TE prospects to come out in years. he has everything. no way you take Fant above him lol
That's actually false he's a good blocker just not as great as Hock .
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I think ex Bills back Derrick Holmes is locked up for murder also .
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1 minute ago, mjt328 said:
Depending on the discussion, I think you hear about both.
The point about Clay's drop in the Miami game is a legit one.
We aren't just talking about a close game, where a few plays could have made the difference.
We are talking about one play, where Clay's inability to make a pretty routine catch was the obvious difference between 6-10 and 7-9.
I'm not saying anything wasnt legit just saying i hear this kind of talk all the time. What it does say though is that we played tough against some teams and that's a good sign of things to come.
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On 4/8/2019 at 3:41 AM, Fred Slacks said:
Just been watching games from last season.
1) Special teams cost us at least 2 games last season
-Texans muffed punt giving them the ball inside the 20. Texans end up scoring. This game was close all the way through. Also a blocked punt. Not sure Bojorquez is the answer at punter but we better have this sorted out.
-Titans weird fake field goal. We end up winning this game but atrocious by all means.
-Second game vs NY Jets blocked field goal. Haushka gets hurt on this play too.
-Coverage unit just never was good. Hardly any punts downed inside the 20 compared to years past.
2) Defense was good but not nearly as dominant as our 2nd ranking showed.
-We need to improve pass rush and severely our run defense. DT and DE should both be in serious play at #1 draft spot
3) Charles Clay/TE’a were featured but either bad throws or couldn’t make plays.
-I think Croom is a bigger part of their plans this season.
-I also think TE is more coveted than we are giving this front office credit for. Maybe not at first pick but I think it will be in the first 3 rounds for sure. If I were a betting man I’d put money down.
4) Offensive line was bad. Really bad. Getting stood up when they should be pushing on run plays. Getting walked back into the QB on pass plays. I believe we we have improved greatly here. However once again I wonder with all the 1 year contracts if this regime is posturing to make other clubs doubt our desire to draft OL in the first round. With the solidifying of the line I’m very confident McCoy looks 2017 form. The poor old man was getting hit behind the LOS at a ridiculously high rate. Also this should improve Josh Allen’s passing (for obvious reasons).
5) Zay Jones is liked by this regime. He hardly ever isn’t in on offense. Also he seems to get decent separation. I don’t think this kid is going anywhere unless he gets naked in a hotel hallway again. That being said I want another playmaker at WR personally. I’m just not sure our front office sees it as big of a need. I have a feeling TE is a higher priority in their eyes. Zay made more plays than this board seems to give him credit for. The Titan game alone he converted multiple third downs. They were just very short yardage completions.
6) Allen’s jump from the first half to the second half is a stark difference. His pocket awareness and lack of sacks in the second half are markedly improved. Makes my confidence in his growth that much higher after watching the games again.
7) I feel like FA was even more successful for our team after watching these games again. Also the fact that we’ve met with Ziggy Ansah gives me more confidence in this front office. I do think he is still in play if they don’t land a DE in the top of the draft. FA was definitely designed to give them flexibility in their selection at 9 if they stay there.
8) Good Gravy I cant believe Nathan Peterman will ever get another shot in the NFL. Head scratcher. Have to believe eve we are significantly improved by not ever having someone like that take a snap here at all.
Those are are my main points I took away. I’m sure there are more to be taken from it. It’s really hard not to be optimistic about Josh Allen. Especially knowing he will be getting the necessary reps with his WR’s. But imagine this: Bills win the Texans and Jets game. Also the other Dolphin game. That’s a 9-7 season same as the year before. Imagine this on top of that: Josh Allen is healthy for a whole season and we have a decent run game and a top 5 defense. I think that is what we are looking at this season and I feel 10-6 or 11-5 is not an unrealistic expectation.
I wonder why in recaps we always hear about the games we should of won and not the games we should have lost. I say the record is what it is.
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19 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:
Huh? Why Williams I wonder? With all the improvements we've made along the offensive line (especially the interior), wouldn't you think they'd want to draft a day 1 starter at 9 overall? Maybe they truly view him as a LT? I just don't see him being successful at either OT position due to lack of size/strength, but I'm certainly no expert. Everything I'm reading lately has him slotted as an OG. I've even heard C might be his best position in the NFL. I can see Dillard and Oliver, but I can't imagine why they'd be considering Williams at 9.
I like what McBeane is doing this offseason but player flexibility thing is going to far. We keep taking guys like this we will have alot of players that are Jack's of all trades master of none situations.
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5 hours ago, Scorp83 said:
Just wanted to share this... I've must have watch 3 Ole Miss games this past season. I still love DK... but I'm starting to see AJ Brown as more then just a slot WR. There also seems to be alot of draft experts that's also thinking he could improve his development on the outside at the next level.
Right now I think he's taking my #1 spot in the WR category:
1. AJ Brown
2. DK Metcalf
3. N'Keal Harry
4. Hakeem Butler
5. Miles Boykin/Hollywood Brown
Other then physical attributes I don't see why people have Boykin rated highly. I got him as a 4th, 5th rd pk.
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3 hours ago, Laughing Coffin said:
Could an option possibly be that we trade down from 9 and pick up something in the 20s + a 2nd and 4th, then we trade that 1st round pick in the 20s for Frank Clark straight up
Also very possible it's the Cordy type deal where we just swap firsts. We get #21 they get #9.
If I was Beane I would just wait till after the draft. If we get Oliver @ #9 then offer the Seahawks a 2nd in 2020.
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Pk #9 can actually be the best pk of the entire draft or pk #99 or #199 when it's all said and done . Don't overthink it.
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2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
You can demand these deals. But they don't have to say yes. They could easily say, "OK, thanks, we'll work something out with Cincy at #11 or GB at #12, or whatever."
To get these premiums you need a desperate team. Last year we were desperate and everybody knew it. I don't know that a team with Carr on the roster should be as desperate as we were last year.
Also worth looking at the Rich Hill chart as well as the traditional Johnson model.
#24 - 237
#27 - 216
#35 - 170
equals 723
Bills #9 equals 387
Supposedly teams are moving towards the Hill model.
Personally, if I'm Oakland I don't make this trade.
In any case, I'm not convinced Oakland is going after a QB. I guess they are building around Carr. We'll see. I generally like trading back, a lot. But IMO if Oliver is still there, we snag him.
I wouldn't demand anything that's what I will ask for that's what makes moving bk 15 spots worth it to me. They can say yes or no after that. But I sure won't just take 24 & 27 and flip them bk #9 & 112 .
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Yes we got Hock baby! . Now let's hope either Tillery or Simmons fall to #40 or we could trade up for one of them at the right time. I'm just practicing my reaction ?
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1 hour ago, NewEra said:
Joe in Winslow had to make one of the most curious moves in nfl draft history by taking Oliver over the clear #1 DT in the draft. Quite possibly the best player, Quinnen Williams.
at least it adds suspense to our pick now
Expect the unexpected on draft day. I got Oliver off the board before we pk also anywhere from 4-8 . Maybe Gary or Sweat will be there for us on the edge but if I'm the Bills I'm taking TJ Hockenson at that pt.
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25 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
I agree. Last year the Bills lost in the point chart 1910 to 1500 to move up for Josh Allen so there's your approximate 20% premium. Same thing with the Jets gave up 2,956 points for 2,200 points just to move up three spots with the Colts for Darnold. It's the price you pay for a quarterback.
Other possible trade partners that might want to leapfrog the Broncos are the Bengals (pick 11) and Redskins (pick 15). We could still get our coveted player and pick up some more draft capital.
The Raiders pks
#24 - 740
#27 - 680
#35 - 550
= 1970
Bills =1350
So 670 pt difference , that's the deal we should get from them. Maybe kick bk a 4th for good measure
#24 - TE Fant
#27 - DT Tillery
#35- OT Risner
#40 - DE Winovich
#74- Isabella
Luck Charms Scenario
#24 DE Brian Burns
#27 TE Noah Fant
#35 DT Jeffery Simmons
#40 OT/G Dalton Risner
#74 Wr Andy Isabella
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2 hours ago, Estro said:
Less than 3 weeks out from the draft and there's a lot of rumors and smoke, most of which is nonsense, some though truth.
And it's my belief that the Bills would like to trade down in this years draft. Of course they're doing work on a lot of the top 10 guys, as they should, you always have to be prepared to pick a guy at your spot.....but like I said if they had it their way I think they'd love to move down and pick up another premium pick. This sentiment has been tossed around by a few of the twitter guys I think tend to have good info, Eric Galko being one of them. That brings me to the 2 teams I think might mesh with the Bills desire to move down:
The Raiders and the Giants.
I think both teams would love to take a premium non QB player with their top pick, and then use their second 1st round pick as part of a package to move up and get their QB. The kicker is I don't think either team wants Haskins.....I think it's Daniel Jones and/or Drew Lock that'll be the guy that goes at #9 if the Bills are able to pull off a trade down. Here's how a potential trade down with both of these teams could look:
TRADE w/ Giants: Giants get: #9 & #74 (worth 1570 pts. on the draft trade value chart)
Bills get: #17, #37 & #95 (1600 pts.)
TRADE w/ Raiders: Raiders get: #9 & #112 (1420 pts.)
Bills get : #24 & #27 (1420 pts.)
I'd love either of these scenarios, as I'm always a fan of trading down. I think we have a good chance 3 weeks from now!
When it comes to QBs u have to pay threw the teeth . I dont like what we are getting here. Last yr we gave up 2 2s to move up 5 slots. The Raiders call I want 24,27,35 I'll be willing to give them bk #9 and # 112. The Giants I want 17, 37 and a 2nd next yr.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
Got to go with Metcalf. Kid is a freak and based on last years draft Beane likes him some super athletes.
Ik some are freaking about combine stats but i was a big fan of his before i knew about his workouts. You could see he was a star in the making at Ole Miss.
Definitely have to do our homework on Metcalf he's super talented.
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I've seen games were most of these top prospects were dominated. GMs have to be able to project 2-3 yrs from now on these kids.
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I like Christian Wilkins but I think we need to pump the brakes on him a little bit here. He's played next to 2 beasts and can only get 11sacks combined over the last 2 yrs. I see Wilkins as a Donte Witner type prospect he'll be a solid pro but nothing special.
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4 hours ago, dubs said:
The five best ones
I don’t think you pass up the best tackle in the draft because of what the bills did in the offseason.
At some pt we gonna need impact players for Allen. I think we've done more then enough to solidify the OT position for now. Btw top quality OTs can be bought in free agency nearly every yr there's some available. U know what u can't find top notch TEs these guys never available via free agency.
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All Bills Team?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by BillsFan1988
Players that were snubed at first glace
DT - Mount Washington - I'll take Teddy Mt Washington over any of these DTs any day of the week especially on Sunday's.
MLB- Chris Speilman- although Speilman didn't play long he was fun to watch as a Bill and was still a really good player.
CB - Antoine Winfield - AW was a lock down corner that can flip a TE with a big hit he was awesome.
WR - James Lofton - Lofton is a Hof player should I say more.