YodaMan79

What the offensive coaching staff has done, and last year to an extent with Knox and Hines is confusing. Why invest the assets financially and draft wise, if they don't/didn't have a plan for them in the system. I watched Harty (Harris) with the Saints in 21 (with garbage QB play), and know he was an All-Pro KR specialist in 19. The young man has a quick twitch this team could use. I envisioned a Percy Harvin (Vikings 09-12) role to some extent, with that being a ceiling, and Tony with Chiefs being the floor. He could really help with those quick throws in space, making an opposing DC think a little more about pressure and zone packages, because we know the run game isn't going to garner any respect. Besides Diggs, who has the ability to be a game breaker? You give Harty a respectable contract for a WR coming off an injury, why, if you're not going to use him? You sign Knox to an upper tier TE contract, and then proceed to ignore him for huge parts of 22. You take on Hines' contract, for what? Yes he's hurt, but they were committed to pay him upper tier backup RB money. What was the plan? They could use what this guy brings to the table:

They're not normal people. I referenced that they have best recovery tools anyone could have at their disposal. Mentally and physically. It's not a viable excuse in todays world.

They're elite athletes, not parents looking to recover after a family trip to to Europe, acclimating back into their jobs. They have access to the best recovery tools, diet and performance enhancement professionals. We shouldn't accept a jet lag excuse. They're not flying cattle class either, like the rest of us.

We don't have a true assessment of the talent we have. Who's to say they'd know what to do if they acquired another "blue chip" talent on offense? It took 6 weeks to scheme up a play for Harty, a guy who flashed with Saints whenever he touched the ball. Cook is open in short passing game with space. They have talent.

Correct. I don't want to hear a thing about that throw. An NFL player is expected to make that catch, no excuses. I'll go out on a limb and say most of us when we were in our 20's make that catch in the backyard Thanksgiving game 9/10 times. He's proven to not be reliable in pressure spots.

Recency bias is strong...but I can't argue with your assessment when you factor in how bad the Giants have been.

Perfection? I think we'd all be happy with competent. Half of their games have been downright painful and unpleasant to watch. During game day, I can't understand how they continue to be so bad at time and situational management? They need to establish a plan B and C on offense. Allen to Diggs isn't always going to be possible for 10+ connections a game. You'd think they'd be working on getting additional threats on film against the lesser teams.

You can count on this play being called at the most inopportune time. Never fails.

How is this game not on CBS in Philadelphia suburbs? 🤬

Good for him that he can still get paid. But if you've watched him over the past 3-4 years, he doesn't stay in games. He's shuffling in and out constantly with minor nagging injuries. He's not a real option that can be counted on to contribute.

Besides a couple of big runs from Hall, the D played well. Edmunds is not the guy that makes or breaks that unit. Hell of an athlete, but a reactive player, with no instinct. They had to let him go.

Interesting observation. It looks more like he's attending the Carson Wentz school of game management and QB play. Last night looked eerily similar to Carson Wentz of 2021, except there was no Hurts drafted in the 2nd round to mess with this psyche. I want to criticize a number of regular suspects, but JA was so bad. Let's hope his ego behind the scenes isn't a hindrance to where this team can go. Josh is putting players/coaches jobs on the line with his play. As much I question the OC, or McClappy, JA looks so off script it's hard to accurately assess who's responsible for what. Commercials, Hollywood girlfriend, questions about his dedication/commitment...should have all of us worried. He's sheltered in western New York. If JA was in a major market, he would have had to answer some tough questions through last year. My biggest fear of 13 seconds being the peak of this team is looking more likely.

That too. Lane Johnson and Peters seemed like they were getting head start on passing plays a majority of the time.

It's crazy what the officials allowed on the OL. During his last years with the Eagles, Jason Peters seemed to perfect the technique of being constantly Offside. It appears his peers have picked up on what officials let him get away with in the twilight of his career and have exploited it. You can see this in almost every game now. It's a copy cat league, and everyone is picking up on what the Eagles do. It's not a fast start, they're Offside a lot, no matter what SI says: https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/02/07/the-lane-johnson-controversy

Watch him sign with the Eagles PS and they develop him into a starting RT when Lane Johnson starts to decline. I think a good coaching staff could turn him into a NFL player. I say it's worth a shot on kicking the tires. Use the winning culture get guys like this into the program and hopefully develop into something.

From an Eagles focused reporter giving a breakdown on all 90 guys on the roster: LB Ben VanSumeren: The UDFA linebacker had a million tackles against the Colts — OK, 17 — but he’s still a raw player. He’s relatively new to the linebacker position and it’s obvious. But he has some potential as a future special teams contributor. I’d keep him on the practice squad.

The front office should also be looking at who the Eagles release on their OL, and try to stash on the PS. Look at what Jeff Stoutland has done with developing talent. A prime example is Fred Johnson, they likely found another hidden gem to develop. With the Eagles front office and scouting staff, the Bills should be looking to get OL help starting there. They have the best OL coaching staff in the league, by a mile. 26 years old, 6'-7", 330 lbs, and they found this guy on the waiver wire. "But this is a typical Howie Roseman move. Find a guy on the scrap heap, send him to study at Stoutland U and find yourself a player." This is what consistent contenders do, find developmental depth at a controlled cost. I hope the Bills have some stories like this guy coming out of camp moving forward. https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/how-eagles-fred-johnson-came-out-of-nowhere-to-earn-roster-spot-and-new-contract/533676/

Why would the FO extend a 30+ year old WR who hasn't produced at an elite level in two years? Very rarely in football does a player return to peak form 2-3 years after the fact. This Hopkins and OBJ talk is fantasy football banter from 2018.

Exactly. Oliver has very little value. Reminds me of when a number of clueless posters thought McCoy could be traded and he'd return a second round pick.

I've always been a fan of Sutton. He'd be a nice compliment on the other side of Diggs.

You lost me at Pro Bowl. It hasn't meant anything since the 90s. It's objectively worse than the baseball All-Star game. I think his point about Spiller, and instincts is spot on. The egos on these coaching staffs see players with "potential" and think they can always get more. Fletcher came from D3 and developed into a 2nd team All-Pro. Edmunds plays much slower than his physical capabilities. Another team can try and get him to reach his "potential." After all, he's only 20. 1/4 of the leagues players could claim a Pro-Bowl designation last year (yes..I know it's hyperbole): https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/probowl.htm 111 players carried a PB designation last year. We talk about the "Hall of Very Good", this put that to shame.

I hear you MrEpsYtown. My thinking is, the OL coaching under Jeff Stoutland is so good compared to the rest of league, maybe this kid picked up something? Wishful thinking, possibly? But you have to hit on some unpolished gems to round-out an upper tier roster . If they hit on two studs lineman this draft, it gives them a lot of options. Yes, Hardy looked like a player with high upside in 21, as well. They both averaged over 15 YPC. ***Edit: Oh my! Spotrac has his estimated per-year value at 8.5 million. Not sure how they calculate that, but that puts him out of the question. I love these more realistic threads. When you look at spotrac, it becomes abundantly clear the contenders get a lot of production from sub $3 million dollar players on the roster.

Dillard was relegated to backup guard duty, maybe the ability to compete for T spot and the soft media in WNY would be attractive. From an outside perspective, the shot of a starting role anywhere (G/T) should hold merit. Kid is kind of sensitive. He was crying on the field during his first training camp. Have the coaches determine who's the better LT in OTAs and camp. The way this line played, no one deserves to be penciled in as a starter at any position.

Not only would I take Fletcher with the Bills, but I'd also take the version of him that was with team I shall not name, for fear being cancelled. He was a very impressive sideline to sideline player. Amazing that he came from D3. Edit: I had no idea he was a second team all-pro twice in his later years. Also, looking at his FF, INTs and PD...he made impactful plays, with an occasional sack.

I hear you. I'm not up to speed on the financials, is starting G money on par with a backup tackle? With his limited field time since 19, would any team really put up starting T money? Problem is, when Lane Johnson was hurt for an extended period of time a couple of years ago, they tried him at RT. He was atrocious on that side of the ball. His footwork, hands, everything was off. He's not a versatile OL, maybe that could work in the Bills favor?