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While stuff like this (and Hakeem Butler's chart that I've seen going around) are interesting, I don't think it really tells you all that much until you can pair it with their athletic testing. If Irv is just average athletically on top of being relatively tiny, that's probably a massive red flag, but it might not be a big deal that he's undersized if he has elite athleticism.

My issue with him is he's probably too small to be a feature back and he hasn't really shown anything as a receiver, so best case scenario, what are you really getting with him? Seems like he's at best a change-of-pace guy unless he suddenly turns into a receiver, but you can get a much better receiving back late on Day 3 or off the trash heap in free agency.

I don't think that's really true re: Darnold to be honest. People had been saying in the lead up that Allen was basically right there with Darnold. It's true that Baker beat them out in the end but I don't think Darnold was ever viewed as easily the #1 QB. And those guys weren't taken in the first round because they decided to throw at the combine. Throwing at the combine doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things at all; their actual film and their workouts are far more important. Kyler isn't going to run, likely because of the weight he put on for today. And I agree, Wilson is plenty quick and fast, which makes Kyler's superior athleticism that much more impressive.

Murray is expected to run in the 4.3's whenever he ends up running his 40. He's an elite athlete for any position, whereas Wilson is an elite athlete for a QB.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. In all likelihood, he put on weight for the measurement and doesn't want to do the athletic testing while he's weighed down. And any team that has interest in him will likely have him in for a private workout anyways so there's no sense in throwing at the combine really. And it's never really held anyone back in the past. Obviously Darnold didn't do it last year and he still went #3 or whatever it was; guys hold out every year from throwing at the combine.

That has nothing to do with the the true catch rate though. The true catch rate is only considering the percentage of those 76.5% and the percentage of those 63.5% of passes that he caught. So for example, he had 74 targets in 2017. 27 were deemed uncatchable, leaving 47 that were catchable. He caught 27 of those 47, for a pathetic percentage of 57.4%. That improved to 71.8% this year (which is still bad, but at least not ungodly terrible).

Oh, the uncatchable was brutal in 2017 lol. So in 2018, 76.5% of Zay's targets were catchable. In 2017, it was 63.5%. But that doesn't change the fact that Zay was pathetic on the catchable ones.

Not that it's a significant difference, but it's 4th biggest hands; Jamal Custis measured out even bigger in this year's class to push him down a spot ?

A couple other WRs that I think are either interesting or notable:

I have basically zero interest in AJ personally. Don't think he's what this team needs at all and don't think he's anything special as a prospect even for a team that could use someone like him.

It's slightly heavier than expected actually lol. NFL teams thought he was 160 at the beginning of the year (also had him pegged like 1.5" taller than he is)

Basically identical to Wilson size-wise though and far more athletic. Like half an inch shorter and a few pounds heavier (if that's actually his real weight and he didn't just put some weight on for the Combine). Edit: I personally don't think it's a big deal; I think Kyler is a really good QB prospect regardless of how he measured today. But this definitely matters to people in the NFL.

Some WR measurements, and Kyler Murray, starting to trickle in now:

Yeah, I'm just not certain I'd want to sign him to an extension either. I'd be willing to take a cheap flyer on him, but he's not someone I'd want to lock into as more than a #3 WR at this point in his career. If he'd be willing to get paid like a #3 guy, then sure, but I doubt he views himself that way.

Can't decide if this means he actually won't throw or if his camp is trying to create this narrative that he's just too competitive; that they basically tied him up to stop him from going out and throwing but he's gonna break free and do it anyways because he loves football so much.

I'd be interested if Philly ends up cutting him to create cap space. I don't really want to give up an asset to pay him $9+ mil though. If it's a late Day 3 pick then I could at least kinda see it.

Garcon, yes. Crabtree, not really. If you look at their pages on PlayerProfiler.com, they weed out uncatchable targets and then look at the catch rate after the fact. Zay improved from 57.4% (which was basically the worst in the NFL) to 71.8%. Crabtree was at 75% this year (up from just under 70% the year before). As for the OP, I personally think he SHOULD be on the roster bubble this year; we'll see how the offseason goes though. I'd like to see them add 3 legitimate WRs to the roster (along with a bunch of likely training camp fodder types) and make Zay earn his spot, but I'm not entirely sure we'll do that.

I apparently never saw the right games for Haskins lol. He had some really spectacular throws here and there but in terms of consistent accuracy, he was below-average from the games I charted and he definitely was nowhere near being the best deep ball thrower in the class which is what Wharton's numbers say.

I think he'll clear 5'9" decently enough. The question is whether or not he hits 5'10"; Oklahoma's trainer says he measured at 5'9 7/8" this past summer in socks. If he just wears an extra thick pair, he should be able to squeeze above 5'10".

Yeah, I could have sworn QBs are measured tomorrow. Wonder if the ones that got measured today are overflow or something.

Has his measurements come out yet? Based on Robinson's silence, I'm guessing there's been a pause in the measurements?

For those that are into the height/weight measurements and all that, @CharlesRobinson is tweeting all of them out. Thread starts here: As far as potential early picks for Buffalo, the only guys I've seen so far are: Yodney Cajuste: Andre Dillard: David Edwards: Cody Ford:

https://theathletic.com/750142/2019/01/04/will-new-bengals-coach-be-able-to-improve-billy-price-and-john-ross/ Long article from The Athletic, but it includes an excerpt regarding John Ross. I think he's worth a flier with a Day 3 pick at least. I'd guess we're talking about a 5th and I'd be fine committing to that.