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Same here. I appreciate it. We can all agree to disagree for sure. I think it's possible there is a long wait. This draft reminds me of the Mariota-Winston draft. I can see 4-5 guys going pretty high, then a super long wait for the next tier. That year quarterbacks went 1-2 and the next guy went #75. I think Rudolph might be in for a long wait. I could see the Chargers, Pats, Steelers, people with older quarterbacks drafting the guy in the third. I just think with all of the free agents signed and 4 sure fire #1 picks, people aren't going to want to spend 2nd round picks on the next tier. There is too much positional talent in this draft.

It says: Rudolph is more of a downfield, play-action passer than a quarterback who can win with precision and arm strength. That means he can't win with precision and arm strength. So he is a downfield play action passer...he can't win with precision and arm strength. That means he's throwing bombs to outside , wide open receivers. That isn't winning football, at least it won't work in the NFL. I don't see the upside. Is the fifth or sixth best guy in this class? Sure. But he's a 3-4th round pick to me.

Not sure what you are saying here...he plays from the pocket, has improved, has good size. He CAN'T win with precision and arm strength and is a down the field passer. What about: Rudolph could be an early backup with the potential of becoming an average to below average starter in the league. Is this what we are striving for? average to below average starter? We just traded one of those to Cleveland. Look, I'm not an expert. I'm a teacher and a high school football coach, been doing it 12 years. I watch a ton of film and sit in clinics with college coaches all of the time. I am no one special, but I know some things. I do know that I don't know more than general managers, scouts, NFL people. It's fun to chat about these things, but how people can think that all of these experts are wrong just doesn't make sense to me. How can everyone be wrong on Josh Allen, who we all hate here, and everyone also be wrong on Mason Rudolph, who we all love? I mean, it's lunacy. Mason Rudolph=Tom Brady...don't you think someone in the NFL would have noticed this if it was true? I mean c'mon.

Ok fair. You see an upside I don't see. But what about all of the draft experts and scouts etc.? The people who get paid to do this for a living. Are you saying they are all wrong?

The point is that Rudolph is not as good as people are making him out to be. Peterman sucks and so does Rudolph. They both suck and are in no way a long term answer for this franchise. People need to stop with the Rudolph. Watch the film. Go find me a quarterback like this guy who has succeeded in the league. He is slow, tiny hands, weak arm, baby offense, terrible footwork. It's nuts. This guy is a 3-4 round pick. Listen man I'm with you. I will support the team no matter what. I just don't understand how all of these scouts and journalist and draft analysts can be wrong on Rudolph and people on a message board are right.

Yep after they passed on him for Matt Milano in the fifth. Definitely a sense of urgency there.

Let me put this here again: Go to NFL.com and draft ratings and compare their grade on Nate Peterman to their grade on Rudolph. They have Peterman with a slightly higher grade. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/nathan-peterman?id=2558191 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/mason-rudolph?id=2559942 The Rudolph love is asinine. He's a future backup with little upside. AJ McCarron grade slightly higher than both. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/aj-mccarron?id=2543497

Daniel Jeremiah's top 50 prospects: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000919918/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2018-nfl-draft-20 It's so weird, but I don't see Rudolph's name.

Lance Zierlein says Christian Ponder. I think I'll go with him. He says: BOTTOM LINE Pocket quarterback with good size who has shown consistent improvement as a passer. Rudolph is more of a downfield, play-action passer than a quarterback who can win with precision and arm strength. He's a capable field reader who has the ability to operate with timing which will be important since his arm can be dull at times. Rudolph could be an early backup with the potential of becoming an average to below average starter in the league.

Bodine went to the same high school as Christian Hackenberg!!! Does this mean we are trading for him? Damn you McBeane!!! Good point!

Travis Swanson is the guy to go after, but might be expensive. Groy and an upgrade at guard and tackle makes sense. Unless you want to give up a second round pick for Matt Paradis.

Remember guys, Deshaun Watson, who was the consensus #1 pick to the Browns this time last year, went #12. Teams like to push up the quarterbacks so position players drop. Happens every year. That's why the Jets trade up at this point makes zero sense. They guaranteed themselves the 3rd best quarterback in the draft. It's too early.

If any of the guys get past the Broncos, we are in prime position to trade up. If the Giants take Barkley we can jump the Broncos at 4. It isn't all doom and gloom. People need to stop mocking Rudolph in the first round. And they will as we get closer to the draft.

That's a good point and I do think that is the biggest issue with Rosen. All the other stuff doesn't bother me. His talent is certainly worth a trade up, but if team doctors are concerned then it isn't worth it.

Could also be Brian Allen, the center from Michigan State.

I think people are misguided when it comes to offensive line play. Eric Wood was extremely average as well, but overpaid and hurt our cap. Bodine will be cheap and probably serviceable. Alex Mack, Travis Frederick, Rodney Hudson guys like that are special centers. The rest are usually meh.

Agreed. That center quarterback connection and communication is pretty important. It's something.

To me this is all smokescreen stuff. The rumors about us loving Darnold and Rosen that came way before the combine are the rumors I feel are closest to the truth.

Okay cool. So you don't want him, and that is fine. I just hate the media crap that is obviously made up. It's all dramatic stuff. I want him because he's good at playing quarterback. On the field his arm can cut through the wind, he is able to read coverages and make amazing throws from inside the pocket. He has good size and height, hands etc. This is the type of quarterback we haven't had in a very long time. I think the biggest issue is the concussions. I have no problem with the spoiled white kid stuff..or the cockiness. People seem to love the same things about Mayfield but it comes in the form of small, unathletic white trash, so he is confident? We can call him a quitter for leaving Texas Tech, or call him out for making excuses for the 8 uncatchable balls he threw at his pro day. We can frame things up to be anyway we want them to be. To me all that stuff is all semantics. It is the job of the coaches and GMs to make sure a person works in your locker room. This is the NFL, not cumbaya. If McDermott can't get a guy like Rosen to work in his locker room, he should not have a job. If they decide they don't like him, fine, but I think, based on talent and the way he plays, that he is the best quarterback in this draft.

I think he is a pretty average player, which is what Eric Wood pretty much was as well. He could compete with Groy. Bodine I believe is a center only, whereas Groy could play guard.

Ok fair enough, but you are singling out Rosen. So what is your ultimate point here?

Says who? This is your opinion based on no actual factual evidence. Unless you know him personally, I'm not sure what to say.

You are making this up dude. This is all your opinion and not based on fact at all. He never said anything like that. Rosen never said anything about weather or anything. YOU are making things up that aren't there to substantiate your opinion. Oh and btw, it's pretty freaking windy and cold in New Jersey too. And if you want to knock Rosen for giving a shout out to the Giants, you have to knock Allen. Allen actually explicitly said he'd be stoked to go play for Shurmur. What are you missing here?

This is what he actually said: "I'd rather be a lower pick at the right team than a higher one at the wrong team" Nothing about Cleveland or Buffalo in there. He also said this: "I think the teams know more than I do in the sense of where I'd best fit," he said. "I might be a bit of a unique personality, so hopefully they can pick me apart and if a team really feels that I'm their guy, hopefully they'll go and get me.'' I see nothing wrong with anything. As we all know, the right fit is what is most important. If we want to read into things we can spin it positive: "He doesn't care about the money or high he gets drafted, winning is everything to Josh Rosen." See what I did there????

It's just projection. Rodgers was an anomaly. Happened one time and teams are going to make sure it never happens again. The draft is about projection and potential. In every sport. When you are drafting at the top you are going for the guy with the most upside. You aren't plugging holes. When you plug holes you draft Eric Fisher #1 or something like Aaron Curry..solid and unspectacular. You don't draft Rudolph because he has zero upside and is the same prospect as Nate Peterman, bigger frame, smaller hands, terrible footwork, spread offense, less arm strength. The guy is terrible. You are better off taking a shot on a guy like White or Lauletta later in the draft. Jackson I could see, but it is going to take some big time commitment like the Jets had with Hackenberg, and it is going to force you to pass on quarterbacks like the Jets did with Mahomes and Watson last year. Get one of Darnold, Allen, or Rosen or don't bother. This is more media BS man. He said: “For me the coolest part of this meeting people from all around the country,” Rosen told Mayock. “I remember sitting in a meeting with the Giants and I kinda double-took it. Coach Shurmur, I just saw your press conference like two weeks ago. This is kinda cool.” The kid is answering a question. How is this giving the Giants a shout out? This is the media making a story. It's BS. Josh Allen said this: “Coach Shurmur is a super bright mind. I like him a lot. I actually got the chance to talk to him in Mobile. Sat down with him for a little bit. He’s a really good dude. If I was fortunate enough to play under him, I’d be super stoked,” Allen said. Why aren't there stories about Allen not wanting to go to Cleveland or Buffalo? Don't believe the hype brother.