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I would say that the W:L record is solid, given the caliber of QB's we have gone through over the past ~20 years.

If I was Tyrod, I'd walk, regardless of what was offered. That being said, he's probably not going to get a starting role in the league, but he could find backup work on a team of his choice, I'm sure. He was benched for Peterman one week, then called on to start again, leading the Bills to the playoffs for the first time in almost two decades. He had a bad game against the top defense in the league first round, and everyone is again calling for his head. I'd be out in a hot second, because he's not appreciated by a majority of Bills fans. We might of well had Ryan Leaf leading this offense in their eyes. Grass isn't always greener. The fact that we've been through a ton of QB's in the last two decades proves that. First one to take us to the playoffs with a solid W:L record is being chased out of town. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_perc_single_season.htm

What exactly, is Blake Bortles' level? I'd argue that they are inter-changable. Bortles: 60.2% Completion, 3687 Yards, 21 TD, 13 INT (TD to INT Ratio: 1.6) 84.7% Rating Tyrod (14 starts): 62.6% Completion, 2799 Yards, 14 TD, 4 INT(TD to INT Ratio: 3.5) 89.2% Rating You reference the 42 points put up by the Steelers, asking if TT could win when the D allows 40+? Bortles stats for that game were 53% Completion, 214 Yds, 1 TD, that's it. Jacksonville's rushing attack and defense scored the other 5 TD's. Are you suggesting that Bortles was responsible outscoring a hot Steelers offense? Because that's an outstanding Jacksonville rushing offense, and defense. Just look: #1 Rushing Offense in the NFL #2 in YPG Allowed #2 in Sacks #2 in INT's T#1 Defensive Touchdowns You take Bortles and put him on another team, 214 yds and 1 TD won't cut it, just as it doesn't with Taylor without an absolute wrecking ball of a team. For the record, I'm all for getting another QB in here next year, and am not trying to justify keeping Taylor.

It's not my opinion, it's fact driven by stats over many years, not just from yesterday's games. "When the Atlanta Falcons face the New England Patriots in the Super Bowl on Sunday, it will be the eighth time the No. 1 scoring offense has faced the No. 1 scoring defense in the Super Bowl. And the defense has won every matchup but one." https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery/super-bowl-51-new-england-patriots-atlanta-falcons-number-1-defense-vs-offense-matchups-49ers-seahawks-packers-steelers-chiefs-giants-020117

You're right, here's a Superbowl QB list from the same era: (1999) Chris Chandler (56.7% Comp, 2339 yds, 16 TD, 11 INT, 83 QBR) (2001) Trent Dilfer (59.8% Comp, 1014 Yds, 7 TD, 4 INT, 92 QBR) (2001) Kerry Collins (57.6% Comp, 3764 Yds, 19 TD, 16 INT, 77 QBR) (2003) Brad Johnson (62.1% Comp, 3811 Yds, 26 TD, 21 INT, 81 QBR) (2004) Jake Delhomme (58.2% Comp, 3886 Yds, 29 TD, 15 INT, 87 QBR) (2007) Rex Grossman (54.2% Comp, 1411 Yds, 4 TD, 7 INT, 66 QBR) vs. (2006) JP Losman (62.5% Comp, 3051 yds, 19 TD, 14 INT, 85 QBR) My point is that you can make it to the dance with bad to mediocre QB's, and we've had mediocre QB's on our roster in the past, as stats support. The defense is the difference maker, which is where the 83% of Superbowls being won by top 10 defenses comes in.

Your point is well taken. Either way, the above list is from the top 25 worst QB's to play in a Superbowl, even for their eras. My point is that even bad QB's have a shot if the defense is that good, proven in history. Granted, having a solid QB helps immensely, but people shouldn't be saying "you can't make it without a franchise QB", because that's wrong.

He's just butt hurt he can't drag race in WNY anymore.

Superbowl QB's Joe Kapp ( Career Stats: Record: 24-21-3, 55.2 QBR, 5,911 YDS, 40 TD, 64 INT ) David Woodley ( Career Stats: Record: 25-22-0, 71.4 QBR, 10,232 YDS, 56 TD, 60 INT) Rex Grossman ( Career Stats: Record: 25-22-0, 71.4 QBR, 10,232 YDS, 56 TD, 60 INT ) Trent Dilfer ( Career Stats: Record: 58-55-0, 70.2 QBR, 20,518 YDS, 113 TD, 129 INT ) Kerry Collins ( Career Stats: Record: 81-99-0, 73.8 QBR, 40,922 YDS, 208 TD, 196 INT ) Doug Williams ( Career Stats: Record: 61-52-1, 71.6 QBR, 20,495 YDS, 152 TD, 146 INT ) Craig Morton ( Career Stats: Record: 81-62-1, 73.5 QBR, 27,908 YDS, 183 TD, 187 INT ) Billy Kilmer ( Career Stats: Record: 61-52-1, 71.6 QBR, 20,495 YDS, 152 TD, 146 INT ) Earl Morrall ( Career Stats: Record: 63-37-3, 74.1 QBR, 809 yards, 161 TD, 148 INT ) Tony Eason ( Career Stats: Record: 28-23-0, 79.7 QBR, 11,142 YDS, 61 TD, 51 INT ) vs. JP Losman 2006 (75.6 QBR, 6271 YDS, 33 TD, 34 INT) Bad QB's get to Superbowls, and comparing JP Losman to the 10 worst Superbowl QB's to play, he has the 2nd highest QBR. So, yeah, a guy like JP Losman can take a team "deep into the playoffs", since there are 10 JP Losman's right there.

So what you're saying is only one team can win the Superbowl? Because even if it was a top 10 offense that won, 90% of the top ten offenses that year didn't as well, which is the same exact thing. What's your point?

I'm not contesting that at all. A good offense keeps the defense fresh and off the field. It's just an interesting statistic.

83% of the Superbowls won have been teams with defense in the top 10.

Taylor stats for 2017: 14TD/4INT = 3.5:1 TD to INT Completion %: 62.6 YPA: 6.7 By your above criteria, wouldn't that make Tyrod "That Guy"?

84% of NFL Championships are won by teams with a top 10 defense, so no. We need to improve the defense to get there statistically, as well as the O. http://freakonomics.com/2012/01/20/does-defense-really-win-championships/

Tyrod is 12th in the league for 3rd down passing. That can't be right though, because he's the worst QB in the league. http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=098&type=Passing

Really ****ty thing to say. Guy could be seriously injured and all you care about is getting him off the team.

This guy gets it.

Not sure where you're getting your statistics for the passing offense. 31st in YPG and 31st in Attempts (Those correlate directly) 22nd in Comp % 26th in YDS/A 27th in Passing TD's 8th best in the league on INT's Literally not one of these is "worst passing offense in the NFL". I get it, it's definitely not good by any means, and in the bottom 1/3'd easy - I'm just tired of people throwing around unsupported absolutes like they are fact. Source: http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing

Absolutely correct. You'd think that Tyrod led the Bills to a 4-12 season sooner than making the playoffs for the first time in almost two decades from reading the forum. We just need to appreciate him for what he is.

My main concern about any QB for next year is mobility. I think that if we get a statue back there (Bledsoe esque) then we will have to improve the line. one of the reasons that our line has great stats right now is because Tyrod is elusive, and can escape the rush.

Thanks Chris! You've been there with us for the last 17 years!

Was the hardest game I ever had to watch. I remember the final kickoff, something happened with the clock. If I remember correctly, the clock stopped early or ran too long, and it gave Dallas enough time to drive the field. Anyone else remember?

I agree. I'm sure there are many teams that compete for the wildcard spot and don't have the analytics to support their bid. It wasn't too long ago the Seahawks made the playoffs with a terrible record. Wasn't it 7-9?

" But starting a high draft pick QB as a rookie generally led to a lower passer rating from him and worse win percentage in years 1, 2 and onward as compared to the QBs who are given the chance to develop and learn from the sideline." " Pressure from the ownership to “play the new QB to win now” is actually a misnomer. They may win more than they won last year, but they still end up leading the team to sub-.500 records their rookie year and .500 their second year. They rarely “win now”. " "...even longer is the list of QBs drafted early (51 total were drafted in the first 2 rounds with 10+ total starts since 2000) who were forced into early action and then struggled so badly they washed out of the NFL or skirted around as backups." https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/when-to-start-your-rookie-quarterback-050715/ Facts: – 37 QBs were drafted in the first 2 rounds of the NFL draft and started games in their rookie season. – Six won 9+ games their rookie season. – The other 31 had a combined rookie record of 112-203 (35.5%). – By year 4, those 31 players only had 179 combined starts, down over 45% from the 323 games they started in year 2. (Due to benching) – Even after weeding the worst of the bunch out of the NFL, the record for those still QBs who still found themselves earning starts in year 4 was 48%. (losing records) ________________________________________________________________________________ It this better for you? It statistically doesn't pay to start a rookie QB, comparing the successes to the failures, outlined above. There are way more failures than successes, and this is fact.

Not to mention, Moulds was easily the best receiver we've had since that point.

Imo, it's how he took his benching to the chin, got back up, and led the team to the playoffs. Would have been easy to quit on a coaching staff that quit on him. He took the high road in this season, and contributed to getting the Bills to where they are.