HomeskillitMoorman

Not sure why you quoted me on this? It's empty as well, I literally don't know what I said that you're replying to with this.

I appreciate the honesty and your willingness to have an in-depth discussion here. It's interesting to me because I was raised Catholic and these were some of the things that were taught to me when I was young. I'm now agnostic, open to really anything being possible but pretty much just trying to live a good life with what I consider moral values and wait for the facts, if there are any after I die...which was always a crazy thing to me that in many forms of Catholicism or Christianity just waiting for the facts to play out is a one-way ticket to eternal suffering and damnation. But to stay on topic...first it's the whole choice part. I don't remember any kind of moment in my childhood where I made some kind of choice to be heterosexual. It was just there. I imagine it's the same thing for someone who is homosexual or bisexual. Maybe you agree on that and meant choice as in what you do with that, I don't know. So lets say for a second that I agreed with you on the way God "intended" for things to be or even the universe or whatever, that either way we were created as male and female to procreate and keep the race going as you said. Acknowledging that doesn't change what gender I'm attracted to. If it was the other way around and males had to have sex with males to procreate and the same with females but I was attracted to females...acknowledging and taking in this notion about how things were intended to be wouldn't make me want to go bang dudes or be attracted to them or want a marriage with them. I would still want a female partner. That's likely how homosexuals feel. There might be many of them who would even agree with you that maybe this wasn't "meant" to happen...but it did and what are they supposed to do? To them, being with the opposite gender would be like forcing a square peg into a round hole. The original message from the non-extremists of the LGBTQ+ and Pride community was that they can offer a space to people looking for community that doesn't admonish them for this. When I was growing up, I did know kids especially in the Catholic circle that were shunned by their families for being gay and it was really confusing and painful for them because they didn't choose that, and some of them did find community in people that told them that it was OK and it wasn't their fault and they can still be proud of who they are. Have some people turned it into making it their entire identity? Yeah, and I don't like that for anything. I would say the same thing for people of any group. There are far right-wing MAGA people who have turned that into their whole identity. There's Bills fans that I think take football way too seriously and get literally get depressed about the team, they take it extremely personally because they're so ingrained with all of this. I don't think it's wrong to tell kids that it's OK to have same-sex attraction if that's what they have once they get to that age where you talk about that stuff. I'm not arguing against that certain people are talking to kids about that stuff in general at too early an age...maybe they are. But I don't think it's wrong to tell kids that are old enough or asking about this that in simple terms it is normal for someone to be homosexual if that's what their attraction is. I don't see why two same-gender people can't love each other just like a heterosexual couple. If it's about procreation...there are a lot of heterosexual couples, and it's a growing number, that simply choose not to have kids. What makes that different? I'm not for brainwashing kids on anything. I think people take it way too far with indoctrinating their kids with religion or anything else that's not rooted in the facts that we currently have, but people are free to do what they want as parents. But I do think it's hypocritical when that religious side is the one that's largely talking about indoctrination when they do the exact same thing, they just believe their side is right.

Im glad you had a better experience. As I’m sure some had a better experience with LGBTQ+ people that weren’t trying to recruit them in any way. This is pretty much my point.

Well you're basically outing yourself as a homophobe here. It's your opinion that people that are gay are into "unnatural or perverse sexual behaviors". But once again, not all people that are gay are trying to indoctrinate children into being gay. Not even most of them. Just like not all religious people are hiding their perversion behind the cloth of Christianity or Catholicism. The origins of Pride was to give people a safe space at times when homosexual people were not treated well or were shunned by family members or their church and to fight for equal rights. That's what most homosexual people celebrate when it comes to Pride. You are defining one group by a small percentage of their population that are extreme and corrupt and disgusting while not doing the same for the other. The right response would be to do that to neither. And you changed your verbiage there when you realized you were wrong. Those religions are just as much about recruitment, probably even moreso, than the whole Pride thing is. You are literally told that's your job as a Christian or Catholic. I know, I was raised Catholic.

I mean, that's mostly what religion is

This is really just you wanting weighted votes on your side of the political spectrum. If you were looking at this objectively, you wouldn't think this is the right thing to do.

Recruiting and indoctrinating people including children isn't central to the core of Catholicism or Christianity????? Are you serious??? They literally tell you it's your JOB in life to do that! That's how it's always been and they don't even deny it the way you are. They even gave it it's own name in proselytizing. It's amazing how much you are willing to turn a blind eye to on that side of the ball. And I don't agree that's what the entire Pride thing is all about. It was about giving people a group to turn to when people were rejected by their own families or loved ones or even by our countries laws at the time. Am I denying that there is a faction doing some evil things with it? Absolutely not. But it's in exactly the same way that these religious groups and Churches are and the level of corruption is no different. It's literally proven to be no different. I'm against indoctrination of all of it. You are only against indoctrination when it doesn't fit your political agenda.

They're going to have to be ready to publicly fund a bunch of other religions' public charter schools then...that's a really scary slippery slope. It's not even that hard to create a new "religion" by the state definition.

Oh yeah, for sure this is personal. Even if someone is pro-Trump, I'm sure they could admit he did Christie dirty, no matter what they think of him. I don't think Chris is doing this as some kind of favor to DeSantis, this is just purely for revenge. I'm not sure he has enough clout anymore to get that revenge but he's at the stage where he doesn't care, he's willing to torpedo himself just for the opportunity.

One can also celebrate Pride while disapproving the wrongdoing of corrupt individuals within that circle. It's the same exact thing. What I put in bold is purely your opinion, nothing else. Catholic doctrine also says it's wrong to simply be homosexual. That's not rooted in any kind of fact and it's led to decades of horrific treatment of people that are gay and even really harmful and disturbing practices like conversion therapy. I can poke just as many holes there as you could in the Pride movement or circle or whatever you want to call it. The whole thing behind the Pride flag was during the many years where homosexuals were treated poorly and unfairly in our country and didn't have the rights to get married or for some, adopt children. For a pretty big percentage of people who are gay, that flag symbolizes the fight and freedom they now have to do those things and how far they have come. But again, that does not mean anyone who waves a Pride flag or wears a shirt or whatever is pro-sexualizing children, just like I don't believe any Catholic who still goes to the Catholic church is pro-child molestation. You want to lump in everyone on one side and be nuanced on the other, how is that not the very definition of hypocrisy?

Because you want conservative voices to be weighted, that's not democratic at all. There's nothing democratic about the electoral college, it actually gives the individual Conservative more of a weighted vote than anyone else. It should be the popular vote through a Ranked Choice system, that would actually be the most fair way to do this.

The Catholic Church LITERALLY protects and has Priests on income to this day that they know for a FACT have sexually abused children...yet how many Catholics still attend those churches and still pronounce themselves as Catholic? It's no different whatsoever. I'm actually consistent, I will call out both sides. You have selective outrage that's fueled by politics because you are on your knees for one side. Would you even debate that? If we went through your history, what would the overwhelming pattern look like of the people and media sources that you post? My point isn't even that people that are simply Catholic are responsible or should wear the burden of what happened to those kids, but I also feel the same way about people who are just gay or trans and have nothing to do with sexualizing children and whom the Pride flag means something completely different. The origins of the Pride flag were not what you are describing so it's not even like that's some kind of irrational take. I wouldn't judge everyone who wears a gothic Catholic cross the way you probably would anyone who wears a Pride flag patch or whatever it is.

The Catholic Church literally to this day protects Priests that have molested children and even has some of them on income, literally right now as we speak. It's not different at all. He's lumping in anyone who has a different take on the Pride flag and wave it, which most people do, because of the corrupt small extremist amount yet he does the same exact thing with Catholicism. It's 100% hypocrisy.

There's a reason why Ranked-Choice voting is discouraged by both parties...because it would be the best thing for this country

Walsh is a guy that admonishes anyone who waves a Pride flag or is homosexual at all even in their private lives...yet believes it's totally fine for him to promote and adorn Catholicism no matter how many children they sexually abuse. Maybe try to find a better source.

Well yeah I didn't mean having those types of studies/discussions for elementary/middle school. Possibly upper High School like Juniors or Seniors and then college? I agree with you on that, we'd have to be careful as far as that goes because it can certainly lead into instruction.

He's entering just to troll, he's basically admitted that. I kind of respect it.

Sure, I agree about philosophy and more broad religious studies. I'm fine with learning about religions and having objective, open and honest discussions about them. It's the indoctrination part I'm against. Just like I think it's totally fine to learn about how people who were homosexual for the longest time here were not treated very well and weren't given the same rights as the rest of us, including their own religious freedoms. That's also different from indoctrination. Maybe I'm too optimistic...but I do think the majority of people would probably agree on this stuff if they were able to shut out the extremists on both ends that pushes them to throw stones at each other instead of making some really simple beneficial compromises.

We're in pretty solid times when people have to reach this hard to find something to be outraged about.

I'm OK with this as long as it is consistent across the board. One of my issues is the side that is saying this right now is the side that for so long and many STILL do are pushing for Christianity/Bible studies into curriculums. It's hypocritical. If you're saying lets keep all of these ideologies out of the school...I'm all for that.

The Pride flag is not some kind of slight to the American flag, that's the strawman you are building on your own. The Pride flag was also created back in the 70's when Americans who were gay were not allowed to get married. I love our country, but you do understand that like every other country, we haven't gotten everything correct, right? That flag has not always represented the same freedom for all of our people. But I still don't see it as a slight or anti-American from most Pride-related groups. I'm sure you can find a couple, those extremists exist as they do for literally any group of people. I just don't make it a habit of passing judgement on those groups for the small number of extremists that exist within them. The other thing is, which I'm sure you're aware of because you do the same thing...the Gays Against Groomers group have a political agenda. Their founders are far right Ultra Maga QAnon-related whackjobs. It's not some grassroots morality-driven group of people that are purely after "groomers" to save the children. Do I agree we should be against that extreme minority that actually wants to sexualize or groom children? Absolutely. But that is not this group's #1 agenda. And you're no different. If I went back into the history of your posts or your small handful of buddies that overrun this section with retweets from far right Conservative media...I'm sure we'd find either very little or nothing at all about the sexualization of children that happens from the other side. I'm betting when news broke out about almost 700 kids that were sexually abused by Catholic priests in Baltimore a few months ago, either very little or most likely nothing at all was brought up by you or those people here. If news broke that 700 kids were influenced to have some kind of trans surgery...are you denying that there would be probably multiple threads, hundreds of posts about that here from the same people like yourself who are obsessed with LGBTQ+? Why is that? Why is it that the transgressions of the side of the Conservative/Christian/Catholic/religious gets a blind eye? Because there is ZERO part of you that actually cares about the kids whom all of this horrible stuff happens to. This is 100% political for you. And that's so incredibly sad. This is why I will never choose a side of Democrat or Republican. There's this price that people like you seem to pay of selling your soul to one side that is so hard to fathom. Conservatives love to complain that this is what liberal media does...and they are actually right about that...but they and people like you do the SAME. EXACT. THING. I agree with that...but don't religious people like Christians do the same thing with indoctrinating their kids as young as 2 years old? I do agree the country would be in a much better place if kids weren't being groomed and were taught the facts about everything across the board instead of ideologies and fairytales.

Haha don't look at the Politics page on this site then. Although it's a very small number of homophobic people that have overrun that section, it's pretty disturbing as well.

It’s not a trans argument, which is what people like you always try to turn it into. I agree about biology, but I also see the other side where biology can’t prove Jesus was the son of God that came from an immaculate conception or that we have souls that will be damned for eternity if we decide to be gay but it’s totally cool for those things to be “shoved down our throats”. I’d be down if both sides agreed to stop pushing their fairytales. Not everyone agrees with those 1 and 2 you have and I don’t even think a majority does, the small extreme group is a loud one. Just like the MAGA groups. I don’t believe most Trump voters are like that. And I don’t think most Catholics are OK with child molestation…but he goes to the Catholic Church and wears their gear even if he says he doesn’t agree with that…but he says anyone who flies a Pride flag is associated with whatever portion of that population is on that dark extreme. Can’t have it both ways.

So you get it then...he thinks that flying the Pride flag or participating in a Pride events means you have bowed down to the extreme trans movement even if you don't agree with any of that...yet he can adorn anything he wants to with Catholicism and go to that church that literally right now as we speak is protecting child molesters and that's OK. If you don't believe me you can just type Matt Walsh Pride Flag in a Youtube search. How is this not the very definition of hypocrisy?

I'm not a Dem, and yes that's one of the reasons why. These same Democrats who now say they are for same sex marriage were not when it was not the popular thing to say. It's not genuine. The problem with what you're saying is yes, a lot of people covered up that they were gay because of what the reactions would be. What it could mean for their careers. And they weren't even allowed to get married. Many weren't able to adopt children. Many weren't or wouldn't have been welcomed at their Church if they came out publicly. These weren't things that didn't matter. Right now the people who are still against those things are the more extreme right win nutjobs. I don't think even most Conservatives feel that way anymore. But that's a lot of what that rainbow flag is all about, is the freedom from all of that. I agree, as I have said many times, about the extreme trans movement and that it's incredibly wrong to target children and yes I do think it can be anti-woman. I always agreed that a trans dude should not be able to play women's sports for example. There are plenty of people that are homosexual that feel the same exact way, as do many of the Churches that fly rainbow flags. That was my point about putting people in boxes.