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I’m saying this without knowing the potential side effects of these pills…but if they aren’t anything substantial I would say this is probably something that liberals and conservatives can agree on.

I don't understand the exercise one...aren't all the most obese states the Red conservative states?

Oh there's no question that I'm anti-religion. I'm pretty sure I've been incredibly transparent about that. Literally to the point of flat-out saying it. But I don't hold that against people who choose to be religious. There are no rights I'm trying to restrict from people that are religious simply because they don't agree with me or because we don't align on our beliefs. In fact, as I said I agree that a Christian Conservative web designer should not have to take on a project for a gay wedding or that a Christian Conservative baker should not have to bake a cake for a gay wedding. But as I said, I also think it's hypocritical that these same exact people expect to be served by companies that don't align with their beliefs, such as private social media platforms. Or that they believe certain books should be removed from school libraries (which I agree with) but that the Bible shouldn't. Or that they rail against books that don't have sexuality but explain how a boy can transition to a girl or a girl can transition to a boy because it's not rooted in facts...yet they want to keep a book that tells you that a woman had an IMMACULATE CONCEPTION! I mean come on dude, are you really going to say you don't see these hypocrisies at all?

I'll throw in a couple more I found that I believe in: “Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls. They got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying. Lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. That’s right.” “Political correctness is America’s newest form of intolerance, and it is especially pernicious because it comes disguised as tolerance. It presents itself as fairness, yet attempts to restrict and control people’s language with strict codes and rigid rules. I’m not sure that’s the way to fight discrimination. I’m not sure silencing people or forcing them to alter their speech is the best method for solving problems that go much deeper than speech.”

He sure did! I agree with the one you posted, and I'll join in with more. “Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're *****.” ― George Carlin “Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money!” ― George Carlin

I still have to do more of a deep dive on him, but some of these reasons are why I’m kind of intrigued by RFK. He’s probably the most centrist candidate I’ve seen and he doesn’t really get deep into the culture war stuff. He has his views on certain topics pertaining to all that stuff but in the interviews I’ve seen, he touches on it and what he would do but then steers the conversation to bigger issues, such as some of what you brought up.

I don't think we really disagree on any of this though. There have also been a lot of religious-based charities and churches that have been corrupt with money. I don't think this comes from one side. That's part of what I meant when I was talking about over-consumption. I mean take a look at this board, literally every topic is about attacking the other side. It's probably trite to say, but that's what "they" want. I have nothing against looking into and exposing specific corruption, I think that's a productive thing. I do believe that the whole "woke" obsession and culture war, which was what I was originally referencing here, largely isn't.

Of course I don't understand that life of a teen in a place like the Congo or slaves anywhere or Muslims/Christians in China. But you do know varying levels of this has been happening throughout our entire human existence right? Things overall globally have NEVER been amazing, not even close. I don't think anyone here said that, you conflated that with us saying that things are about as good as they've ever been. Those are totally different statements. I'm open to hearing when a better, safer time overall in the entire world was, it's probably not provable on a more intimate scale. The mantras we hear now about living your best life or simply enjoying life or that God has an amazing plan for your life are really just from the last copule hundred years or so and that's only in the most developed countries. In most of the world's existence the goal was just purely survival. In my opinion I think all of this supports my original point on this that I don't see how "Woke" is a high priority and that the current culture war on both sides is largely driven by people who don't have real problems. I agree. I'm in the camp of believing these same people exist on both extreme sides. They don't see how much they're actually alike and how hypocritical they both are.

I "went along" with it as a courtesy to people that were afraid and to respect certain businesses after the mandates that were still requesting masks, absolutely. You can see that as me being some kind of patsy for the Government, but I didn't do it for them. I was still out there playing sports with my friends with no masks that didn't care about that and hanging out with people who both cared about that and didn't. If they did, I wore a mask. Either way I didn't impose my personal beliefs at the time on anyone else. Yes, gay marriage was finally legalized. But what do you think was behind the resistance? Just because that side lost doesn't change what their philosophy was. Their philosophy was to restrict somebody else's personal freedoms because of their own religious and personal beliefs. There are many Gay religious people as well and they were restricted of their own religious liberties to get married. I don't think a Christian Conservative web designer should have to take on a project for a gay wedding...but then why do they themselves expect to be served by everyone else regardless of their beliefs including social media platforms? We've talked about this before and I'm pretty sure you know the answer...no I'm not cool with talking to kids about sex or pornographic books in school libraries. I'm also not cool with indoctrinating kids with unsubstantiated ideologies that include some parts of transgenderism and Christianity. Do you believe the Bible should also be banned from every school? Maybe you do, I'm not asking that in an accusatory way. Do you think that's an appropriate book for a child? I think you would at least agree that the high majority of people who want some of these other books banned do not want the Bible banned. My problem is again, you only see any of this from one side and on one hand you want the entire LGBTQ population to be accountable for their extremists but not religious/conservative people for theirs. They are 100% doing the same thing. Proselytizing is indoctrination wrapped up in a different package and there are no ages where they aren't coming after people from. But I don't hold that against the entire Christian community and don't want to restrict their rights because of it. In the same way you think I've been somehow brainwashed by the government, even though I constantly rail against them, I believe you've been taken in by Conservative media to the point where you don't see that these two extreme sides are largely the same and I think that's where we're at.

There are data sources that are hard to trust, I don't disagree with that. When would you say was a notably better time period overall for the world in terms of human suffering and where would you go to cite that data? For me, technological advance in many areas, natural evolution, and social programs (the structure, integrity, and competency of them can definitely be debated) have contributed to this still being amongst the best times for humans on this planet in our history but I'm listening if you have anything different. Fair question on the my body/my choice comment. I believe in the overall philosophy of it and with vaccines I was talking about the COVID ones but yes I would have some outliers like late term and polio/measles. And yes I know it was mandated in NY and in many other states and countries and I did not agree at all with that.

Yes, everything is because of woke. Woke can mean anything they want it to mean. It can encompass all people, animals, topics, and ideologies.

Saying the world is as about as good as it's ever been is not even remotely close to saying everything is amazing. At least try to have a good faith conversation here instead of twisting somebody's words to try to divert to your own narrative, it's bad form. You do know that the world has always been filled with varying levels of suffering, disease, hunger, famine, predation, poverty, rape, violence, murder, natural disasters, corruption, etc right? Saying that we're at a point where those things overall are at around their lowest levels is not calling everything amazing. And actually acknowledging how much those things still exist actually supports how much lower level the culture war and "woke" is and how silly it is that people are so obsessed with it.

I didn't agree with the pandemic measures, I basically lived the way I still wanted to while respecting others. I didn't care about masks for myself but I wore them when I frequented businesses that wanted me to or even in public if people were around that were wearing them just out of courtesy. I didn't agree with federally enforcing private businesses to operate that way, I think it should have been their choice and the choice of the consumer to go to those places or not. I don't put my trust in the government. My takes are consistent - I also believe it's "my body/my choice" for both abortion and vaccines. Still not sure what I need a "waking up" to. Let me ask you this though...isn't there just a little bit of irony in this side talking about taking away your personal freedoms when this is a side that has been against things like gay marriage because they want to impose their beliefs on society? I mean does that sound familiar at all to you here? Or that they feel they shouldn't have to serve someone if it doesn't align with their religious beliefs (which I'm fine with)...but then are angry that they can have comments deleted or be "censored" on social media sites if it doesn't align with the beliefs of those companies? It's the exact same thing on both sides wrapped in different packages. The entitlement, victimhood, selective outrage...all of it. I don't know how you don't see that.

And yet…this is still about as good as things have ever overall been in the world. There are still big problems - child sex trafficking, poverty, hunger, crime…probably none of which involve a 30 minute speech on “Woke”. That’s part of the “culture war” that people are involved in because they’re bored and likely don’t have any actual problems. I can’t imagine sitting through that, but you’re totally free to do you.

When did this all get so doomsy and dramatic? Some of you need to get out and get some fresh air and play a social sport or something. This is always what the politicians and political media have wanted, even the “independent” ones, for people to hunker down and over-consume this stuff and think the world is coming to an end.

I don’t think that’s going to work, I still think it’ll be him that wins the primary. They’re already not doing this though. They’ve already engaged in going after Trump, it just hasn’t been effective.

Bidens temper is going to help DeSantis beat Trump? Did you actually mean to post that in reply to me?

I just don't see where the votes are going to come from for DeSantis against Trump. There are so many Trump voters within the Conservative population who refuse to even listen about anyone else. By then, they'll have had their minds made up already for almost a decade.

Who said I don't believe in God? Maybe some people just don't tie that to the Bible or any man-made religions. It also sounds like you're saying it's smarter if you're with the majority. Would you then also say that given the Democrats have had the popular vote in 7 out of the last 8 elections including the last 4 in a row, that the Liberals are smarter than you? I mean, you should be consistent with these takes right? Again, you lecture people about not being based in facts...but you're defending the referencing of a book that says the world is only 5k years old and a dude brought 2 of every animal in existence on a boat to the mountains of Aratat...amongst many other beauties. Do you really want to keep going down this road?

Just asking...but do you find it hypocritical at all that on one hand you lecture people for not being based in facts while you reference a book of fairy tales?

Most of the guys you mentioned are fringe starters though. I like Beane but that’s not a great 3 year crop if we’re being real.

I don’t trust either though, and I agree the people the Republicans actually put forward are not “small government” politicians. It’s surprising to me that many conservatives can’t see that sometimes, just like how many liberals can’t see that the corporate Democrats aren’t actually properly investing in underserved populations. I believe very much in the philosophy of social programs, I just don’t trust anyone in charge to run them so philosophically I’m probably not a small government guy in that specific sense, moreso from a personal freedoms standpoint.

My personal issue is how the money is spent more than what I'm being taxed. I believe in progressive taxes (in a different structure) but I don't trust the administrations in charge to spend it wisely, so it's a paradox. As I've gotten older I've gotten taxed more and more with my income rising, but I don't think that's the problem. I just don't think it's being spent anywhere close to the right way. I think the other side is a paradox too though. If the people believe in Trump and the way he spends, why would those progressive taxes be a bad thing? The biggest issue ultimately is the Presidents always end up protecting the wealthiest and it's the middle class that suffers the most.

I would disagree. I'm not talking his politics here, but he was obviously able to connect even on a personal level with a lot of the Democrat voter base. We're talking purely what it takes to win, so I'm not talking about how much of that was artificial or driven by media, etc. I don't see that with DeSantis, especially going up against Trump who has a stranglehold on a good chunk of conservatives. You also have to remember Obama was going up against Hillary who was really never popular on that side. It's totally different.

I don't know, the Dockery contract is up there