Mikey152

Steph Diggs was one of the top three WR in the NFl for at least two of his four seasons in Buffalo, and his failure to produce in the playoffs is a big reason we are where we are. I think you have it completely backwards.

If it is ok with all of you, I think I am going to defer to the professionals on this one…you know, the ones that set the Bills scoring record last year. For the first time in as long as I can remember, the Bills are actually on the leading edge of NFL offenses, and all our fans want is to copy offenses from 5 years ago that require crazy expensive players. All because Josh Allen has a big arm. It’s nuts

It's like you guys never learn your lesson on these players... not all rookies are good day 1

This isn't even sort of true. There are several things missing in your analysis: The trade deadline is in the middle of the season. Football isn't a plug and play sport or fantasy, and even if a guy is proven vet it doesn't mean he is gonna just show up and be that guy for your team. Vets are way more expensive and we are already all in with our roster...there isn't a lot of room. Unless the guy is on an expiring contract, this year isn't the only one that matters Everyone uses the Rams and Eagles as examples, but that is confirmation bias. What about all the teams that make trades and don't win? I mean, the BILLS have made deadline deals and the guy was garbage either right away or the next season. It's just not as black and white as you want it to be.

And? Neither did 31 other teams. This idea that Beane and Mcdermott are incompetent just needs to die

Halfway through the season, the Bills are second in SB odds. some of you need to get a grip.

Im really sick of this sentiment. Google the 2012 Patriots. Probably the best offense of all time and their X was Brandon freaking Lloyd. Welker, two dynamic TEs and a stable of RBs...sound familiar?

Sigh. Watch the tape? Please. I would love for you to share with me your coaching credentials, because lets both be honest...you and just about everyone else on here has a layman knowledge when it comes to the NFL passing game. Separation does not equal open, and not even the best WR in the NFL are consistently separating (ie more than 1 yard between them and the defender) against a man corner on routes over 7 yards. It just doesn't happen. But, by all means show me a all these receivers just destroying man coverage on the outside and running away from NFL corners...I'll wait.

Show me an X getting wide open against man coverage without some kind of pick or coverage bust... You act like there are just guys toasting coverage left and right all over then NFL. The fact is tight coverage is THE WHOLE POINT of playing man.

Sometimes I wonder why I even come to this message board. The Bills had 66 offensive snaps last night. 5 skill guys X 66 snaps = 330 snaps 170 of those 330 snaps were taken by RB/FB/TE/6th tackle. 160 left, and more than half were Coleman and Shakir out of base/heavy sets. You might not like the kind of offense we run, and you might even think we run it because we have to...I just think you'd be wrong. Our offense isn't great for fantasy numbers or WR numbers, but it IS great for scoring

This is why it is better to not engage… They have no problem using variance in those same numbers to show how much Cooper impacted the Bills, despite his super low snap count and production. numbers, eye test…it’s whatever supports their emotions at the time.

This is what I don't understand... Bargain picks? They have used their first pick 3 out of the past 6 years on a pass catcher. Kincaid 1st, Knox 3rd, Hawes 5th, Coleman 2nd, Palmer 3rd, Moore 2nd, Samuel 3rd, Shakir 5th, Shavers UD I don't know why we are acting like this is a bunch of scrubs. All of the "dumpster" dives (Palmer, Moore, Samuel) have put up at least 50 catches and 600 yards in a season (Samuel has 4) and are under 30 yo. People love killing Keon by putting up that route tree from Matt Harmon. Maybe they should go look at the ones Curtis Samuel had in his years before Buffalo or what Matt Harmon had to say about him.

Counterpoint to all the WR haters: Last season we brought in MVS as a deep threat. He did basically nothing (2/26 in 6 games) and was cut during the season. After he was cut, he was signed by the saints and put up 17 catches for 385 yards and 4 TDs in 8 games. Cooper (his replacement) over that same time frame had 20 catches for 297 and 2 TDs. Even Diggs and Davis looked like trash when Brady took over mid season. It is time to start seeing the writing on the wall...it's not just the WR. The real question is, is it even really a problem? Numbers wise it might be, but scoring wise and record wise I am not convinced it is.

It happens everywhere, all the time. Dallas fans are miserable, so are Yankees fans, Lakers fans, etc. The fact that you are putting that much weight on it means the crash after the high will be even worse.

You say that now, but you're wrong. The following year you'll be right back to complaining.

Mark Andrews probably couldn't... Kelce is a HOF tight end. The idea that the Bills should just "go get some HOF players" is insane. Instead of being grateful that we have one in JA (and he is a QB on top of that), all anybody does is complain that we "only" have one.

The championship won't be enough. It will never be enough.

Man, After reading this thread (and board as a whole, these days) I think some of you might need to take a break from football. We are talking about a team that just won 40-9, is 5-2, has won their division several years in a row, set a franchise scoring record last season, and has the best point differential in the league by a wide margin over the last 5 years. On this board, however, all I see whenever I log in is the GM sucks, the coach sucks, the WRs suck, the defense sucks, the OC sucks... The RB is pretty good and the QB is a god but he is sad because he got married and his team sucks. Take a step back for a second...it's all insane.

I don't think that is as gimmie as you think. The CB was in trail position and could have made a play on the ball, especially if it wasn't placed perfectly. Can Josh make that throw? Of course. Should he attempt it? To Elijah Moore? That's more debatable.

Oh, I think he is plenty prepared...it's almost as if you can see him hesitating. I think he is having the gunslinger coached out of him. I mean, we can't be shocked. He used to get killed for his turnovers. Last season he cut those WAY down playing just like this and won an MVP. The problem, IMO, is teams are getting progressively more aggressive against this offense with more man defense and blitzes and it doesn't look great right now.

I take exception to the sentiment "we have this one of a kind Bazooka, but failed to invest" Since 2020 (basically since Josh was Josh), there have been 6 drafts. In 3/6 we have used our first pick to either trade for or draft a WR/TE for Josh. So 50% of our picks have gone to try and fill like 15% of the roster. Ironically, 2/6 were CBs over that same time span...which is the other position people are complaining about.

In case you haven't learned by now, context doesn't matter in these discussions. It's the beauty of the internet...you can post on a message board all your ideas that make you smarter than an actual NFL GM or head coach without any way of ever really being proven wrong. I think it is absolutely hilarious that people on this message board think they could do a better job at running the Bills than Brandon Beane (or even want him fired for being incompetent). It's completely insane.

It's not the coach... It's the young secondary, specifically the safeties. Less coverage disguise + soft defense = more break, especially on third down. That said, they can and will get better over time. The goal is to win for now and to peak at the end of the season.

I still remember a WEEI interview with Tom Brady where he spent a good 30 minutes talking about this exact thing...I still lived in New England, so it must be like 15 years ago now. He was talking about guys like Vince Young and Alex Smith. For Vince Young, he said his legs were sort of a disservice to him in the long run, because his coaches in both college and the NFL wanted to win and encouraged him to make one read then run...and he never really learned how to be a passer. For Alex Smith, he talked about how in SF he had a different coordinator every season and how that would be impossible to learn in that situation. In NE, because they kept the same system he was able to recall gameplans from past seasons and apply them to the current one. He even talked about how they might go back to old playbooks from previous seasons as part of a weekly install if they thought it would work against their opponent, and that was only possible because of the continutity.