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THIS particular post wasnt intended to make Bills fans feel bad even though I know that many would. I can totally see how it is taken as trolling.....so be it.... ....the answer to your actual question is....I wouldn't really say the primary reason I came here in the first place was to troll so much as it was to just see the reaction to Mahomes over time.....and since that all tied in with the Bills drafting Allen....it's just something I have found very entertaining and interesting to follow over the years. I actaully attended the draft that Allen was drafted in...I had inner Circle stage access passes....I met and took my picture with Poncho Billa....so it's just been part of the way I do fandom. And for the millionth time..yes, I am a troll...I have made troll posts. I am not here to win a popularity contest, but over the years here I have enjoyed talking ball with folks in a not trollish manner.

Bills 24 Chiefs 21 1. The Chiefs can't seem to beat the Bills in the regular season 2. I think the Bills are going to try and run and eat clock...keeping the score down somewhat. 3. Since Justin Simmons has been out, and Jaylon Moore has been having start at LT...Mahomes time to throw has dropped A LOT...he's been getting the ball out quick with Moore at LT....makes for a bunch of dink and dunk play. 4. KC pass rush isn't very good this year....Allen should have time to throw. 5. KC not a good rushing team. Would be really helpful if KC could get running game going but most likely will not even though Bills missing both DT etc. I think if KC can get out to a 2 score lead it favors KC as the Bills might have to come out and start throwing, abandoning the run......if the Bills take lead or stay within a score or tied...they will run and eat clock....and win. Looking forward to a great game! GO CHIEFS!

That was a solid take!

I would LOVE!!!!!!!! to come to a game up there! I have no doubt I'd enjoy the hell out of it! Maybe one of these days......

I do! I've been accused of being that guy since my very first post! You as well! It should be a good one!

I posted more or less this in one of the Chiefs/Bills threads on the board already. I started this thread because of genuine curiosity how you guys view the 4 superbowls record since the Chiefs....who you are playing this week.....has a chance to tie it. And there have been great responses from all sorts of view points....its the information and discussion I'd hoped it would be for the most part, when I started the thread.

I'm here for ultimately the same reason you are....it's entertaining....it's a fun robust community. I like it here. Best fans in the NFL...smart, passionate, engaged....great forum.

.....I have never tried to conceal that I came here to TROLL! ....I am a fan of a rival team... I wouldn't care about being labled a troll, because I am one! ..but what gets me is half the "zero is a troll!" posts come accross as like you guys are revealing a snake in the grass or something. I walked through the front door with a shirt on that says I am a troll.

I joined this board a long time ago with the 100 pct intent to troll. And I did for while. And I had a lot of fun having some good back and forth here as Mahomes took off, and Allen was drafted and was slowly developed. I had some epic exchanges with a poster here who I think is Transplant Bills Fan...but in my mind I just recall him as Transplant Pants because his avatar is/was a picture of Bills Zubaz pants. I enjoyed watching Allen and it was cool to see him become what he is. I admitted...many times here how wrong I was about him. I've been a big fan watching him play over the years. Kind of weird but the Bills are my second favorite team at this point. You can believe what you want.....about this post or other posts I've made here over the years....but this one isn't intended to rile anyone or piss anyone off even though I know some will take that way...that's fine. A chiefs fan asking a question like this about what some consider some painful memories...I get it. But...I wanted to ask because I thought about it and it occured to me I wouldn't know myself, how I'd feel about it if my team had that record. A lot of mixed and interesting posts about it so far. Every time the Chiefs have lost, I come in here right away to congratulate you guys and take some bitter medicine. And like it has been for a long time now, If KC can't be the team to win the SB...I am rooting for the Bills to do it.

The Bills being the only team to have ever done it.....is it a point of pride for a Bills fan? Is it an important record even though the Bills lost all 4? The Chiefs have a chance to tie that record if they were to make it again this season. Besides the obvious...if KC makes a 4th in a row, it means the Bills didn't make it this year......but aside from that.....having that record be shared with another team make you mad? Relieved? Indifferent?

I think if you asked Bills fans who've attended a game in KC...the fans that actually go to the stadium on game day....are gracious and will offer you to come eat at their tailgate and have some beer and BBQ. All fan bases have turds....and you can find a good number of our turds at Chiefs planet. Not good. He is the least instinctual football player I've ever seen. 4.3 speed...ZERO vision. Runs right into the back of the oline 4/5 times. Can't see holes or blocking develop. Uses up more energy to get 2 yards than I've ever seen. High effort, low production. For someone as fast as he is...he never breaks one. ....you could do worse. ...he's not super popular in KC. No one hates him, but he looks like an obese rat. WAY back in the AFL days there was a fan section known as the "wolfpack" which is where this thing comes from. Only nerdy die hards even know that...and the folks that actually were part of the wolf pack are pushing up daisys. Wouldn't mind a new mascot or none at all. I am from KC and have lived in the DFW area now for 9 years. KC BBQ is far superior....except the brisket. Texas brisket is good...but nothing else here is better than KC....and the sides here suck. No one here seems to grasp the concept that you can add meat bits and sauce to beans....the beans here are AWFUL. best 3rd baseman ever. Also....check out this stat line. 25 Games, 178 Receptions for 2078 Yards and 20 TDs. That's Travis Kelce's playoff stats. If you take the averages and break it down to what the comes to in a 17 game season you get 121 catches, 1413 Yards and 14 TDs. The guy puts up ALL PRO, Hall of Fame numbers when it matters most. His playoff stats are off the charts over a 25 game LARGE sample size. I'd hate him too if he wasn't on my team.

KC leads the NFL in point differential. KC has lost a couple of close games....Kelce bobbling a would be TD that gets intercepted by Philly....and then Mahomes...making an awful mistake that the Jags returned 100 yards for a TD. Kind of wonky. Anyhow..... The Bills have Allen. Allen is an elite QB and elite QB's always have a punchers chance. the game in Buffalo. It's a big big game for both teams like it always is. I think this is the best KC team we've had since 18. I think the Bills certainly can, and may very well win the game. I think if KC gets out to a lead and the Bills have to start throwing..that favors KC. If the Bills can control the clock...get cook going....gets some timely scrambles and Allen gets reved up running also....KC will have a hard time. I don't have a great feel for it...I expect a good game.

this is how it used to be......20 years ago, it was sound strategy to seek out 3rd year WR's that had made steady progression during their first 2 years. It's just not like that anymore. It's more or less figured out in year one if you have a dude or not.....that isn't saying you have a pro bowl year in your rookie season, but if the guy isn't producing to start his second season, if not sooner....he's probably not going to. As far as your point about getting targets....YES....the guy with more targets is almost always going to produce more...but you don't take into account that the main reason a guy gets targets in the first place is because he's open, or he runs the right routes, or he's proven to win 50/50 balls. NFL QB's (for the most part) throw to the guys they trust for these reasons. If McConkey is getting more targets it's because he's trusted to be open or running the right route etc. You don't need to watch too many Chargers games to see McConkey runs crisp routes and gets open. It's not wonder Herbert targets him at a high rate. And the guys you mention...Leggette, Polk....Leggette....doesn't separate...doesn't run crisp routes...Polk....always hurt and wasn't any great shakes before the injuries caught up to him. There ARE dudes who probably would perform better if they got into the right situation...but that isn't the deal with Coleman is it? Who on the Bills is "stealing" his targets? He is in a situation where he would be producing IF he was a dude. he's not a dude.

My unwanted 2 cents. 1. Some here mention the Broncos firing Fox and brining in Kubiak who won the SB his first year. Some mention Chucky replacing Dungy and winning his first year. ....the 2015 Broncos were a defense that doesn't get the same pub as that Buccs D or the Ravens great D...but it should....Go look at the box score...they drug the corpse of Peyton Manning to a SB Win. In Dungy's case, his starting QB was Sean King...and he almost made that work. Chucky, by coincidence or design...brought in a better QB in Brad Johnson who was better than king and he won with a combo of good O and GREAT D. Dungy would go on to win the SB himself once he had a great QB in Manning. I don't really think either of these two situations apply to the Bills. 2. I've said in another thread somewhere around here that McD is a fine coach...and he really deserves a TON OF CREDIT for overseeing the development of Josh Allen. Allen was the ultimate project. Think of how many teams have tried and failed on thise same sore of gamble. They tend to run out of patience way too quickly. The Bills and McD had a plan to develope Allen...they followed it patiently and it's paid off. McD and Beane have had ample to time to get all the way over the hump. Sometimes you've got the right people in place to take you from A to B or even C...but it becomes clear to get from C to D....you need different people, with different ideas and skill sets. Dan Reeves was a good coach who brought John Elway along to the point where they could get deep into the playoffs but couldn't win big. Nothing against Reeves..he was a good coach...but the wrong guy to get a star QB to the next level. Reeves proved his coaching prowess by taking the Falcons and a mediocre journeyman QB to the SB...and lost to the Broncos. The Broncos hired Mike Shanahan...who hadn't done much as a HC with Raiders, but was known to have a good offensive mind....and they eventually won back to back. Firing McD and finding....as some have suggested....a HC with an offensive mind.....may well be what the Bills need. 3. It is worth noting at this point, McBeane has not drafted or FA'd well enough. Not trying to be a dick here, but another reason KC keeps getting over the hump is due in part to the fact KC (NOT AT ALL PERFECT..plenty of errors) has drafted and FA'd at a good clip to keep things in good enough order to compete. Wanting to move on and put some different folks in at GM and HC to see if a better result can be achieved is very rational, and reasonable....and it doesn't mean the guys who took the Bills from the toilet to (almost) the top are bad.....it's just time for a change.

I think we all know what's going to happen. ......

.....He wouldn't be my first choice....but he's spent his entire career around elite QB's. There are worse options. I'd still call Cleveland and see what they'd want for Stefanski. Mike Shanahan, hadn't won anything of substance when was hired by Denver.....he'd been a good HC for the Raiders for a stint...

Sorry if I am bring up something that's in this thread already....or recently brought up elsewhere....but I think most of you know the stat that a HC and QB that have been together for more than 5 years and didn't get a Super Bowl win in those first 5 years, have never gone on to get one. McDermott deserves a TON of credit for being the HC that oversaw the development of Josh Allen. That was a big time high risk, high reward pick and he has seen it through to where Allen is an elite talent. ....but he's the wrong guy to take the Bills the rest of the way on the journey to a title. That's fine. It's also fine to recognize that is the case. The bills need a Mike Shannahan/John Elway type of combo. Dan Reeves oversaw Elways development into a star, but he was the wrong coach to build and coach that team to a title. Reeves was a very good coach, but his skill set wasn't a match for a fully developed Elway. Same with McDermott. The Bills need to get someone like Kevin Stefanski......yes, he is Clevelands coach....call and make that trade. Or maybe Mike McCarthy....

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No Head Coach/QB Combination that was together over 5 years without winning the super bowl...EVER went on to win one. This Josh and McD's 8th season together.

Before I get run out of town.......I think the Bills breakthrough this year. (and that's becasue I assume Bosa was the missing piece). The Chiefs are 2-0 in the Mahomes era, in playoff games, where the oppsing team blocks a punt for a touchdown. Mahomes is 5-1 in playoff games where KC failed to force a turnover. I think only one other QB (brady) even has a winning record in that case. The entire rest of the NFL history has no QB's with a winning record in that case. ...I can go on. The Mahomes/Reid Chiefs, do stuff that you normally don't do and expect to win. some is luck, some is that there great.... but reading through your stats....you don't account for a lot of things that provide context...lke the 2016 Broncos winning a Superbowl, with a bad and retiring Manning, then missing the playoffs with Trevor Simieon as the starting QB the next year? I could tear down the whole thing with stuff you didn't account for.

Ugh. Wish Bills would have just beaten us.

Travis has said he intends to play until he can't do it anymore. That doesn't say much...clearly he's slowed down... I think he'll retire. He's OLD in football years. He does have a potential transcendent career ahead of him...AND....i have no idea if Taylor Swift ever wants to get married and have kids..but she is about to the point where she is either going to now step back a minute or two and start a family or she's not. That clock is ticking away. I tend to think she probably does want children at some point...soon. I can't think of a better retirement sceanrio than going out on the absolute top....having just been an integeral part of the 3peat..with 4 total rings and a hall of fame career....and at the absolute top of the Q ratings with your superstar GF..big time podcast....and so on. Charmed life. Coming back for one more year of football, when KC's cap situation is going to mean some big roster churn etc....I think now is the time. Travis plays his last game in New Orleans.

I saw that too....and I think there is a little something to it...years ago, Mike Vick....having served his time for the dog thing...was about to sign with the Bengals...and he let it out of the bag that the league offices intervened becasue they wanted him with the Eagles or at least not in Cincy....I have no doubt they all get together and conspire to have certain things go a certain way.... All I am saying is for the NFL to be rigged in KC's favor....WHY would the other teams allow it? Why even pick KC to be that team? And clearly, having so many pissed of fans and gamblers CAN NOT be great for the leauge as whole so what is the end goal of rigging it this way?

I am not that big a fan of "only losers complain about refs" Sports is often a reflection of real life...and in real life...we all have been involved in something at some point where we got totally screwed and things were decidedly unfair.....and that is entirely worth complaining about and taking action to make thnings better. In real life I don't recall having lost out on something with unfair circumstances and saying to myself...welp....i'll just shut up about it because only losers complain about things that aren't fair. ...hell no...I made sure people knew that I was given unfair treamtment and that it was BS.....it is normal...even expected that when these things happen....that there will be LOUD, complaints.

I agree they need to fix the problems. They almost rolled out the chipped ball thing this year but didn't think they had it quite ready or something...it's comeing very soon. The full time ref thing...I understand the argument...but I am not sure the answer is ONLY to make these same guys full time refs...probably need to make them full time AND have a high standard of vetting and continuous training and testing these guys. ....need to be in good health..need good vision...need to be tested constantly on rulebook and they should have to have severall ALL HANDS ON DECK conferences where they review controversial plays and discuss and determine the right call etc...and same for missed calls that teams protest about. ....and even if you do all that...trying to determine in real time, at the speeds these things go....is STILL going t o be hard to do.