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Totally agree. I said something similar in another thread the other day. Who cares if Tyrod Taylor isn't "the future"? He's who the Bills have now, and while he's not a top shelf franchise QB, the Bills could do a whole lot worse than him. If creating a game plan structured to his talents -- and the talents of the OLers and RBs -- can get the Bills more wins, maybe even make the playoffs as a WC, how is that a bad thing? All this whining about how "we'd be one and done" is nonsense, too. Any team can win in the WC round ... especially this year. More importantly, winning and making the playoffs in 2017 certainly doesn't preclude a team from improving in 2018 and aiming higher, including drafting a "QB for the future".

NFL = NOT FOR LONG. Coaches and players are only as good as their recent records. So Eli Manning, the iconic face of the NY Giants for the last 13 years who bleeds Giant blue, gets dumped for Geno Smith.

Really? They let both Woods and Goodwin walk in FA and then they traded Watkins. Benjamin and Matthews are NOT the equivalent of any two of the three receivers the Bills got rid of simply because they cannot stretch the field. Zay Jones isn't a deep threat, either, and it's only been recently that he's been able to catch the ball. The Bills have absolutely no deep threat ... for a QB who has demonstrated that he can and will throw long in the past. Benjamin, Matthews, and Jones are nothing special, and together, they're a joke as an NFL caliber WR corps -- and Benjamin has barely played. Oh, and stuff the excuses for the Bills FO and the " so-and-so probably wasn't coming back next year ... ". We've heard this bull manure every single time the Bills get rid of a good player in order to replace him with a cheaper, less talented player. The Bills FO has spent the last 17 years religiously shedding good players rather than pay them and paying certain very average players for reasons known only to the suits at OBD, and what they did under the supposed "new regime" is exactly the same kind of thing they did regularly under the "old regimes".

Hey, don't whine to me that the brilliant Bills chose to let their Pro Bowl DB Gilmore walk in FA and had to draft a DB in order to fill the hole left by that move. That's been a pattern that the Bills have followed since the salary cap was instituted: they either let the good/great DBs, WRs, RBs that they've developed walk in FA or trade them for not all that much and then use the draft to fill the holes created by the departure of said DBs, WRs & RBS. Every time I've pointed out that the Bills did that exact same thing in 2017 despite having a "new" regime, including GM and scouts, I've been attacked by certain true believers who claim everything is all fixed now. Well, it ain't. The new regime is doing the same that the old regimes have done. So, be happy spinning fantasies about the yet unnamed QB the Bills will draft in 2018, maybe even with that first rounder from the Chiefs -- and don't cry in your beer that the Bills could have had Patrick Mahomes or DeShaun Watson instead of Nathan Peterman or that fantastic unnamed QB to be named later.

Not only can you read Mara and McAdoo's minds, you can foretell the future, too! Can you share the winning LOTTO numbers please?

That's because teams don't go out and dump their first round QBs before the end of their initial contracts unless they are horrendous and obvious busts (ala Ja'Marcus Russell). They give them four years to prove themselves. It's why Bortles is Jax's QB despite his poor play. Moreover, if you draft another QB while you're trying to figure out if your earlier pick is worth keeping, that new kid is wasted sitting on the bench and playing for the scout team for at least a year.

Since the Giants have been doing an excellent job of losing games with Eli as their QB, why chance wrecking a good thing by inserting a QB who might get lucky and win an extra game or two?

As a successful QB? Maybe not, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. My point is that all these folks expecting the Bills to hit the NFL lottery by just because they draft a QB in the first round are more likely to be disappointed than not. Maybe the Bills would do better, if there's no suitable QB available in the first round, to consider looking for a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round who has a real excuse for not being a first rounder (like being short like Russell Wilson or being relegated to mostly backup duty because of athletic department politics like Tom Brady).

They drafted them because they (the Bills) WERE idiots. As I said, it seems like they drafted both just to please the fans, and each choice was egregious in it's own way. Losman cost them their 2005 first round pick (plus a 2004 2nd and 5th) which they could have used on Aaron Rodgers, who was available at #18. Manuel was the best QB in probably the worst QB class in a couple of decades. That was blatantly just drafting a QB in the first round -- any QB -- just to say they did. If they gotten their heads out of their butts a year earlier, they could have had Russell Wilson or Kirk Cousins but Buddy Nix didn't like QBs who weren't in the preferred physical mold.

Oh, I don't doubt that they will. I just hope it's not for the wrong reason (to please the fans) or worse, trade up to draft a QB for the wrong reason.

He apparently played poorly enough that the Giants owner ok'd him being benched for a career backup QB, which is worse IMO. At least Peterman was "unknown". Geno is all too well "known".

There was a discussion about this a while back, and numerous posters made persuasive arguments that over his entire career, Eli has been a very average QB. He's had seasons and parts of seasons in which he's been marvelously great but other seasons and parts of seasons when he's stunk up the stadium. He's just not a superior QB who might have a bad game or 2 in a season the way his brother was or the way QBs like Rodgers, Brady, Brees, and Rivers are. He has bad games in bunches.

This is what makes me angriest about the Bills this year. It's like they (the FO and at least some of the coaching staff like Dennison) decided that since the players Bills had didn't fit their pre-conceived ideas of what they wanted, they basically gave up on the season despite the fact that the Bills played pretty well the first half of the season. That's an insult to the players and to the fans.

What if there's no QB worth drafting left by the time the Bills pick in the first round? To say, "they better draft a QB in the first round" without even knowing which QBs will actually be availabe for the draft seems foolhardy to me and smacks of just drafting a QB to please the fans. The Bills, of course, will probably do it ... they seem to have drafted Losman and Manuel for just that reason. FYI: between 2000 and 2015, there have been as many as 4 QBs go in the first round but only in 2004 did as many as 3 of the first rounders become top QBs. 2005 (Smith, Rodgers), 2008 (Ryan, Flacco), and 2012 (Luck, Tannehill) had 2 first rounders who were keepers. You might include 2015 (Winston, Mariota) as well but neither one has made enough progress to say they "top QBs" right now. 2002, 2006, 2007, 2010, and 2013 didn't produce any franchise QBs from any round, and 2014 looks to be another dud unless Teddy Bridgewater not only comes back from a devastating injury but also plays significantly better than he did early in his career.

This is something that too many Bills fans just cannot get their brains around. They believe that the Bills are going to somehow manage to draft the next Aaron Rodgers just because they draft a QB in the first round. Where they'll be drafting, they'll be lucky to get somebody as good as an Andy Dalton or Ryan Tannehill or Jay Cutler. More than likely, if they draft a first round QB in 2018 just to put butts in the seats, which is what they did in 2004 and 2013, they'll get the same result they got then: a JP Losman or an EJ Manuel. None of the veteran QBs likely to be available as FAs next season -- Bradford, Brees, Cousins, Keenum, Manning are probably the best of the lot -- will be willing to come to the Bills with their crappy OL and WR corps. Maybe they could trade for Alex Smith -- give KC back their first rounder which would be a Billsy thing to do -- and maintain their sterling reputation for being the NFL's easiest team to dupe.

In the WC game? Unlikely, and even more so this year when the only two truly dominant teams in the AFC are NE and Pitt who won't be playing in the WC game. Besides, if Tim Tebow can lead the 8-8 Denver Broncos to a playoff win over the Pittsburgh Steelers, ANY team that makes the playoffs has a chance to win a WC game. What the hell do you think Peterman playing 2 or 3 games at the end of the season is going to tell you about him? Do you know how many really crappy QBs have looked really good for a few games and then bombed out when asked to start long term? I think Brock Osweiller is the most spectacular recent one but the Bills once thought Trent Edwards was their savior because he looked good as a rookie. It usually takes a couple of years or more as a starter to be sure a QB is a real deal. BTW, Peterman didn't play particularly well at Pitt. He only came to the notice of most pro scouts at the Senior Bowl practices.

Or maybe the thing that separates Belichick from the rest of the NFL coaches is that he actually believes what he says and prepares accordingly? I disagree. Parcells was a pretty good coach, but he was dependent on Belichick for much of his reputation. He never won a playoff game without Belichick as his DC.

It makes me both angry and sad that Simpson was the best Bills player ever ... and that memories of him are forever tarnished by his actions after he retired from the game.

So, that's an excuse to dismantle the offense? The QB's not good enough so we'll get rid of all his WRs, screw up the OL by forcing a new blocking scheme on them that simply doesn't fit the personel, and hurt the running game by replacing a decent second RB with a crappy one, and that will surely give us the opportunity to do what, exactly? Prove that Taylor isn't "good enough"? Lose as many games as possible? Demonstrate once again that the Bills remain committed to avoiding the playoffs at all costs?

I agree with all this. Unfortunately, I doubt that the Bills under the current regime are capable of developing any QB except possibly another Andrew Luck type because Dennison seems uninterested/incapable in adapting his system to maximize his QB's strengths and minimize his weaknesses. Certainly Peterman's performance in SD ought to raise red flags about Dennison and his offensive coaches since Peterman was asked to execute a game plan that was totally inappropriate for a late round rookie QB making his first NFL start, especially when playing behind a sub-par OL with easily the worst WR corps in the NFL.

On White's interception, Alex Smith had Kelce open and waving to him in the EZ ... but you and the numerous others who continually bring up all the plays Taylor "left on the field" always ignore other QBs' mistakes and act as if Taylor is the only QB in the NFL who doesn't make the absolute best decision every single time he throws the ball. The Taylor-haters have even tried to do that with Peterman, making all kinds of excuses and/or pretending those 5 INTs somehow didn't happen. Guess what. Even Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady "miss" plays. Of course, since those two QBs are not only the two best in the NFL but are surrounded by talented players and the recipients of excellent coaching, they usually can make up for those misses. Taylor is not as good as Rodgers and Brady, but he also has the bigger handicap, this year especially, of being surrounded by JAGs, STers, and PS refugees and suffering under crappy offensive coaching.

Among your many inane posts on this MB, this one is so stupid that I have to think that you posted this as a joke. Even you cannot be this ignorant to write this bull manure ... at least hope I would hope so because otherwise it's pretty sad.

Except that Ryan didn't cave. The last game he coached was the 34-31 OT loss to the Carp. Taylor was his QB. Manuel started the last game of the season, another loss, with Anthony Lynn as interim HC. More likely Taylor would get a bonus for starting all sixteen games or some other performance milestone, and the Bills didn't want to pay it. They did that with JP Losman one year. However different some fans think this regime is from previous ones, most of the same manure that went on previously is still going on. My guess is somebody above the level of GM sent down the order to bench Taylor last year ... and likely did the same this year.

Matthews is what he was in Philly: a JAG. Besides, with Benjamin, Jones, and Thompson, they've got at least 1 more NFL caliber WR than they had in September, so be happy.

Yeah, but the Bills love doing it because ... well, it's just worked so well in their strategy to avoid the post-season. Right-o. It's so smart because it's worked so well all over the league: replace all your talent with scrubs and rookies. The only bear the Bills are loading up for is losing for the foreseeable future. Cousins isn't going to sign with a team with no OL and 1NFL caliber starting WR with a bad knee. All those players you mentioned were disposed of by the Bills because they were expensive. So is Shady. Like Glenn, Clay, Incognito, and anybody else on the team making above league minimum, he's likely to get the axe as the Bills continue their quest to out-Cleveland the Browns. Since only about 50% of QBs drafted in the top half of the first round since 2000 turn out to be decent starters at best (Jay Cutler level or better), and even fewer turn out to be "franchise QBs", I guess the Bills' penchant for drafting DBs in the first round is really, really smart, huh?