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Allen's rushes and attempts make the Bills rushing game look much better statistically than it actually is. If you take out Allen's attempts and yards, the Bills would be #32 in attempts with 17.9 and #24 in yards per game at 91.3, so opponents aren't particularly worried about the Bills RBs. Consequently, opponents aren't going to regularly sell out to stop the Bills running backs, and play action can't be a viable passing option in that situation.

Maybe you need to pay some attention to what's going on around the league. These coaches all managed to "assemble enough talent" to be more than "effective" in their first or second years as HC: Andy Reid in KC. Doug Pederson in Philadelphia. Sean McVay with the LA Rams. Anthony Lynn with the LA Chargers. Frank Reich in Indy. Matt LaFleur in Green Bay. McDermott is in his third year, and his team doesn't look much better than a 7-9 win team that might benefit from an easy schedule.

Allen will be stunted in this offense because this offense doesn't have enough talent to compete with quality teams like the Pats or the Eagles. He gets no help from the running game, so running play action isn't a realistic option. He's got a couple of decent WRs, intermittent decent play from other WRs and TEs, no reliable pass catching RB. Actually, he made the playoffs with a decent roster that he inherited and began dismantling. He and Beane finished the job in 2018, so I suppose that they deserve medals if the team manages to win 9 or 10 games with a schedule filled with tankers and bottom feeders?

Who hired "that waste of space OC" AFTER he hired the previous "waste of space OC"?

Yes, Beane's personnel evaluation skills are legendary ... at least in the minds of some.

The Bills will never be a 13-15 win team under McDermott and Beane because they are not built to compete with the superpowers of the NFL. Their model of relying on the defense to hold the oppositon to fewer than 3 TDs a game isn't realistic when the rules favor offense. Jeez maree -- KC can score 3+ TDs with a backup QB who wasn't even in the league last season; Carolina has gone 4-1 with a backup QB in his second season (who was an UDFA I think); and NO lost their future HOF QB for 5 weeks and STILL went undefeated during that span. Teams like the Saints and Chiefs have backups on offense who are considerably better than ANY offensive starter the Bills have. Teams like San Francisco and New England have backups on defense who could easily put a number of the Bills starters on the bench. More importantly, though, I think that McDermott is a HC who values talent less than scheme and "culture" while Beane puts the bottom line before winning. He wouldn't have been hired unless he shared Russ Brandon's philosophy on "money ball". So many of the moves that the Bills made in 2017 and 2018 were done to save on actual salary expense without regard to how it impacted the team on the field, including the huge amount of "dead cap" space it created against the salary cap. So far in the McDermott/Beane regime, talent has been sacrificed for $$$ and for "culture" --- and it's impacted the offense far more than the defense because lack of talent can't be hidden by schemes on the offensive side of the ball. I have said in the past and I'll say it again: the Bills have treated the offense like a redheaded stepchild. They spent a fortune in talent and draft capital on a first round QB prospect to whom they gave no support as a rookie because they didn't have an NFL caliber OL or receiving corps. Even today, those units are functional but still below average, and the lack of a solid run game makes things harder for Allen than maybe they should be. Hell, last season, they didn't even bother to hire an experienced QB coach to help Allen; their QB coach last season had one year of professional experience as a QB coach back in the 1980s at some small college program. "So many changes had to be made" is a false narrative. It was McDermott and Beane's choice to gut the team instead of building on what they had, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Too many of the players that they didn't think were "good enough" have gone on to play well on other teams throughout the league, and too many of their own choices haven't played up to expectations when they were signed/traded for or drafted.

Well, the Bills don't have the talent to be a 15 win team, sir. They have a few really good pieces, some good pieces, some prospects, and a lot of JAGs on their starting rosters. Get past the starters, and this team is full of 6th and 7th rounders and UDFAs. Some of their starters on both sides of the ball are at the ends of their careers. I think that their current talent level is about that of an 8 or 9 win team. Because of their schedule, they should be able to win 9 games this season, and they seem more likely to make the playoffs than in any season in the last decade but they are going to need significant improvement on the offensive side of the ball to win 10 or 11 games. They cannot continue to turn the ball over to the opposition and squander opportunities with stupid pre-snap penalties.

This is disingenuous comparison unless you think that Allen is a bust like Manuel. If that is the case, then why are you good with the Bills going DE instead of QB????? I totally agree. All QBs -- even the great ones -- need protection and targets to be successful. The Bills have a functional OL that could be improved. They have functional receiving corps that could use some significant improvement. They need a true #1 WR who is sure-handed and fast enough to stretch the field. He needs to be a good route runner in order to get open. IMO, the Bills are probably going to be drafting in the bottom half of the 2020 draft, so it's a perfect place to pick up top notch guard or center. A lot of top OLers, especially interior OLers, come out of the bottom half of the first round like Pouncey and DeCastro for the Steelers. Interior OL would be my first priority in the draft, especially with Morse seemingly being concussion prone. I would like to see the Bills either trade for a top WR by tomorrow or sign one in FA rather than take one in the first round. It's going to take a couple of years for a young WR to hit his stride -- if he ever does. First round WRs, especially in the lower half of the first round, are very risky picks in that they seem to be either stars or busts. If the Bills are honestly trying to build a winning team around Josh Allen then he's going to need somebody of the caliber of AJ Green or Julio Jones (two marquee WRs mentioned to be available). A top notch WR can indeed make a mediocre QB look pretty good and he can make a talented QB great. The Bills need to get Allen at least one.

McDermott ran the 2017 draft. Beane ran the 2018 and 2019 drafts. That's three drafts, and the hallmark of those three drafts is that the Bills consistently spent draft capital to move up in the draft order -- Jones, Dawkins, Allen, Edmunds, Ford. Trading up for a first round QB is one thing, but continually spending picks to trade up for other positions isn't a very smart use of draft resources, particularly when the prospects drafted don't appear to be anything special while other players at the same positions taken later have turned out as good or better than the players the Bills traded up to get. The most egregious example is trading up to take Zay Jones with JuJu Smith-Schuster available.

I don't think that the Bills coaching staff can change their style because "play it close to the vest and between the 20s" is simply McDermott's mindset. His coaches on both sides of the ball reflect the HC's philosophy.

Is the Bills defense truly an elite defense? They're good but they haven't shown that they're on the same level as the Pats or Niners, both of which dominate games.

Not only are the Bills not "engineered" to blow out teams, but as you noted, McDermott doesn't seem interested in doing that, even if his team had an offense that could put up points at will. IMO, the Bills probably aren't quite ready to go up against the NFL "super powers" because their offense isn't good enough to go toe to toe with the big boys when those offensive machines are on a roll and seem virtually unstoppable but they certainly are legitimate playoff contenders at this point in the season, more so than the Eagles.

The results weren't all that pretty in the past, either. We all remember that Elway, Kelly, and Marino came out of the historic 1983 draft as well as Ken O'Brien. But Todd Blackledge (#7) and Tony Eason (#15) were sandwiched between Elway (#1) and Marino (#27). Three QBs were taken in first round of the 1987 draft, but only Vinnie Testaverde was a successful NFL QB. The 1990 draft had 2 first rounders, Jeff George and Andre Ware, and 1991 also had 2 more first rounders: Dan McGwire and Todd Marinovich. The #1 pick in 1997 draft was Jim Druckenmiller who was a major bust who lasted only 3 seasons in the NFL while 2nd rounder Jake Plummer had a successful NFL career. Selecting and developing successful NFL QBs doesn't seems to have improved much over the last 40 or so years. It was as hit or miss 30 plus years as it is today.

I think that the real problem with picking QBs is that the evaluators seem to put way too much emphasis on arm strength and size to the neglect of other qualities that are much more important to NFL success. I think the most glaring -- and embarrassing -- example is the prejudice against shorter QBs. Two of the very best NFL QBs in the NFL -- Drew Brees and Russell Wilson -- weren't drafted in the first round because they were considered "too short". One of the biggest busts in NFL history was overall first draft pick in the 2007 draft, 6 foot, 6 inch JaMarcus Russell. The real key to a QB's success is what's between his ears. There are lots of tall QBs. There are lots of big throwers. There are lots of athletic runners. What there's not a lot of is guys who can almost instantly assess what they see on the football field, make the right decision of about how to react to that situation, and then execute whatever action they need to do to be successful. NFL professionals don't seem to be able to identify collegiate QB with these abilities with any kind of consistency, which is why selecting QBs seems to be such a hit or miss proposition.

Well, Firechance's comment on Allen was fair, and it's also disingenuous for posters to tout Allen's fourth quarter comebacks without acknowledging Atllen's own responsibility in creating the need for those comebacks. Moreover, just because a poster is skeptical about about a coach or player's ability/quality/future doesn't mean that he or she hates that player or coach and wants to see him fail.

Are you personally offended that a poster DARES to view Allen with any kind of objectivity rather than subscribing to your "Josh Allen can do no wrong" hero worship mantra?

The success or failure of any offensive (or defensive) system usually depends upon the pieces that the OC (or DC) has to work into that system. I think that in Roman's case, neither Kaepernick nor Taylor were good enough to sustain it. What I got from the ESPN article is that neither Winston nor Mariota developed enough since their rookie/sophomore seasons to be considered competent NFL QBs much less than excellent ones. Neither seems to have improved/overcome some of their worse flaws, and the situations of their teams -- coaching changes, talent levels, etc -- only obscure their failures. In Mariota's case, his frequent injuries have been used as an excuse for him, but at least some of those injuries occurred because he takes too many sacks because of flaws in his own game.

Why would anybody think that there is some miracle formula for developing quarterbacks -- or other positions? People are different and they respond differently to the same teaching/training methods. Maybe McVay isn't the genius his fans think he is -- or maybe Goff (and Trubisky) actually aren't truly as talented as people think. One or both of those scenarios may or may not be true. Long before Sean McVay, coaches guided young QBs -- and their teams -- to success by tightly orchestrating their play. Russell Wilson started from the get-go as a rookie. Ben Roethlisberger was thrown into the first game of his rookie season when Tommy Maddox was injured.

If the GOAT doesn't play in NE next season, then he'll be playing a whole lot more golf from July through January than he has for the previous 20 years. He's going to retire a Patriot.

If that's your intended point, then you haven't been making it very well. What it sounds like is that you are arguing the "poor Kaepernick has been shafted" line. As for Antonio Brown, he's been accused of rape/sexual assault, not convicted. In fact, he hasn't been charged with a crime but sued in civil court which suggests that it's a she said/he said situation without much evidence. Are you advocating that Brown should be punished simply because he's been accused of a heinous action?

I think that Kaepernick was definitely black-balled, but the hard reality is that he wasn't a very good QB before he became controversial. Like many young QBs, Kaepernick looked like a superstar early on when he took over the Niners for an injured Alex Smith, but hit his talent ceiling fairly early on. Veteran QBs who are good enough to be even lower level starters like Tyrod Taylor, Case Keenum, Ryan Fitzpatrick, etc aren't unemployed. Kaepernick's current situation is reminiscent of complaints by Jeff George years ago when teams lost interest in a QB with a great arm and no brain and picked JAG veterans like Barkley or obscure rookies/second year pros over him.

Very simple: Russ Brandon took control of the Bills in 2006. Between 2006 and 2013, the Bills were 49-80 with no winning seasons, but Pegula retained Brandon while easing out most of the "old regime" in the Bills organization. Between 2014 and 2017, the Bills went 33-31 with 2 winning seasons and a loss in a WC playoff game. For that mediocre record, Pegula promoted Brandon to boss of both the Bills and the Sabres. If Brandon hadn't sexually harassed the wrong Sabres employee, he'd still be charge of the Bills and the Sabres even if his teams seemed "genetically predispositioned" to losing on the field/ice.

That's only "smart" if you are NOT continually using first and second round draft picks to fill the holes created by allowing young vets to leave. That's what the Bills did with depressing regularity between 2000 and 2017, and all they did was spin their wheels. The Bills drafted a DB in the first round in 2001, in the first round in 2006, in the first round in 2008, in the second round in 2009, in the second round in 2011, in the first round in 2012, in the second round in 2015, and in the first round in 2017. That's 8 DBs. taken in the first two rounds out of 15 drafts. They also drafted a RB in the 2nd round in 2002, in the first round in 2003, in the first round in 2007, and in the first round in 2010, which is 4 RBs taken in the first two rounds of 9 drafts. The 2003 and 2007 RBs were Willis McGahey and Marshawn Lynch, both of whom had long, successful careers, with Lynch likely to be a HOF candidate at some point. In contrast, the Bills drafted only 5 OLers in the first or second round between 2001 and 2017, and only 1 of those -- Eric Wood -- was a first rounder.

What is this love for failed first round QBs that some fans have??? Sorry, if the guy can t cut it as a starter --- and Mariota has always looked like an improved, more mobile and somewhat less risk adverse version of Trent Edwards IMO -- why does anybody think he'll make a good backup QB? First rounders get every opportunity to prove themselves, and if they fail, it generally means it's because they are lacking in key intangibles like decision making, reading defenses, ability to process what they see quickly enough, etc. They still need those things as a backup. AFAIK, no failed first round QB has ever been a successful backup QB except, like David Carr with the Giants, he never gets on the field except in garbage time. Either get a JAG veteran like Barkley or Taylor who has a good grasp of the game to augment what talent he has or gamble on a lower round/UDFA young QB like Gardner Minshew, Kyle Allen or Mason Rudolph. You never know -- maybe one of those youngsters is the next Kurt Warner, Tom Brady or Tony Romo.

I didn't say that they absolutely had to re-sign White, just that they have to make a serious effort to do so which I don't believe that they did with Gilmore -- or with Woods or Goodwin, either -- in 2017. IIRC, it was a foregone conclusion by observers that Gilmore wouldn't be re-signed even before the 2016 season ended. If a player's unhappy and wants a trade, that's entirely different situation than the team continually refusing to pay the going rate for young talent they developed -- and then turning around and using the draft to fill that hole.