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4 hours ago, jkirchofer said:
Over. Whats the rookie record for rushing yards in a game?
I wanna say upper 200's from AP back in the day of the top of my head.
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4 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:
Hey Bro, we're on the same page regarding starting Peterman in the Chargers game...I was all for it, and still am despite the outcome because the Bills need/ed to know what Peterman brings to the table prior to the 2018 Off-season. No argument there....I suppose the only disagreement is that mathematically speaking, they still aren't out of the playoffs and at the time of the Jets game, they were 5-2, firmly in the first Wild Card spot and could have taken the AFC East Division lead with a win over the Jets since the Pats didn't have the same number of division wins as the Bills would have...so AT THE TIME yes, playoffs were still a consideration....after the abysmal game they played, their true character and ultimate reality was revealed thereby ending any real possibility of the playoffs in terms of realistic expectations. Not sure why we're in disagreement here since we agree about the reality, and factually they were in fact the lead Wild Card team going into that game and actually stayed as much until their loss to San Diego yesterday. Not sure what the difficulty is....?
its the poster you are responding to. that's what the difficulty is. lol
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10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
Stanky
Zay improved with experience. You are saying that is NOT possible with Nate. We don't know that at all. ergo your assumption is asinine PERIOD
a wr ironing out the kinks during the middle of the season while still technically in the hunt are much less season altering that a rookie qb trying to.... I honestly think you are intelligent enough to know the comparison is really dumb but you are just clinging on to anything you can at this point.
10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:Stanky
Zay improved with experience. You are saying that is NOT possible with Nate. We don't know that at all. ergo your assumption is asinine PERIOD
Stanky We have seen 2 and 1/2 seasons of TT. That is plenty of time to make an evaluation.
Not a rash assumption
Good day
again you and your extremes.... when did I say Peterman wont improve? he will. heck he may turn out to a great qb. but the learning curve for a qb and wr aren't even close to the same as a general rule. so you put words in the my mouth and say that just becuz I think he needs put back on the bench I don't think will improve? sorry I don't live in the worlds of extremes like you apparently have.
my thoughts
after last year we needed to draft a qb last spring early or draft one early in 18 even if taylor plays solid.
taylor is an average qb that can win games with a solid cast on offense and defense. he's proven that. even with a bad defense he's won more than he's lost over his career.
taylor had sucked recently but you don't bench him for a 5th round rookie while mathematically still in the playoff hunt. awful move.
the rookie sucked and needed to be benched. but this doesn't mean I don't think he can turn into a solid pro
going forward you play the qb that gives you the best shot at winning.
that qb is taylor.....
see there. that's what not living in irrational thoughts and extremes looks like. TRY IT
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5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
all 45 to 55 % of the snaps. I can see where he is missed. that is only part of the excuse.
So what's you opinion now that he's caught practically every catchable ball thrown to him in the last 2 or 3 games he's played?
I think you get what I'm getting at right? Sometimes Rookies struggle.
Calling them failures from the get go is kind of silly and so is the I told you so's being tossed about.
Nate may never have it. I won't throw him out on one bad half.
hi pot. nice to meet you. my names kettle. we talked last week as well.
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4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
all 45 to 55 % of the snaps. I can see where he is missed. that is only part of the excuse.
So what's you opinion now that he's caught practically every catchable ball thrown to him in the last 2 or 3 games he's played?
I think you get what I'm getting at right? Sometimes Rookies struggle.
my opinion is he sucked and worked out the case of the yips he had. but he still played bad to start the season. doesn't mean he wont pan out.
and comparing the wr position to the qb position in this case is really dumb... you are seriously grapsing at straws. just stop and save some face man. good lord. Peterman still may pan out but he doesn't give us the best shot at winning now. PERIOD.
you just keep sinking further and further down the wormhole.
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16 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
It looked that way. But TT was still off target with everyone but Zay
(that rookie than many said sucked his first 5 games)
becuz he did suck the first 5 games.
9 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:Let's not change history and pretend he didn't drop football's that hit him in the hands please. You are better than that.
no. I don't think he is.
as for the topic.... I cant say tyrod wins this game but its OBVIOUS he gave us a way better shot. theres way too many other awful things happening on the team to say it woulda been a win with taylor.
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24 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
yeah OK sure, I believe that.
beat me to it
right. becuz I wanted to see them lose..... you're a freaking lost cause dude. I've stated repeatedly i'm not tied to taylor. I wanted a freaking qb drafted at 10 last year and wanted one early in 18 regardless of if taylor was solid or not.
it was a horrible move. I stated my case for that all week and got flamed by you and others that used small sample sizes of taylor to form your arugments. all claiming that anyone that didn't like the move obviously hadn't been watching. just becuz I wasn't in favor of the benching doesn't mean I wanted to see a loss.... that's ridiculous. I even came on here and posted a fun video of the "it takes 2" parody for Peterman. i'm always all in on the starter for this team. if Peterman goes this week i'll root for him to win yet again while totally disagreeing with the move becuz its the wrong one..... you cant seem to grasp that concept.
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43 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
What opinion is it that are you assuming? SaviorPeterman's? The guys is full of dodo. My opinion is that Taylor is done in Buffalo after '17.
Wanting to see Nate play (and do well) Is that an opinion? No it is not.
I had no preconceived notion of how the game would play out. I only hoped for a Win on the West Coast that normally does not happen.
What am I showing? The faithful Taylor fanbase said we should support and root for Tyrod. Should it be any different for Nate?
I had stated a number of times it was horrible. But you know what? I gladly accepted it because I wasn't bored.
Yes, Nate played a half a game ... so we magically invent what would happen, like people saying the Bills would have won with Taylor?
How about the Worst Defense in the NFL that gets the blame when Tyrod is in the game. Or the horrible O-Line? gotcha. You'd rather be "right" and say they never should have started Nate. Kudo's to you.
On to KC.
one bad half does not make a career.
Most INT's
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_single_game.htm
Steve DeBerg 7 TAM Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. San Francisco 49ers, September 7, 1986 Ty Detmer 7 DET Detroit Lions vs. Cleveland Browns, September 23, 2001 Ken Stabler+ 7 OAK Oakland Raiders vs. Denver Broncos, October 16, 1977 Joe Namath+ 6 NYJ New York Jets vs. Houston Oilers, October 15, 1967 Vinny Testaverde 6 TAM Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Minnesota Vikings, October 23, 1988 Joe Namath+ 6 NYJ New York Jets vs. Baltimore Colts, October 18, 1970 Bobby Hebert 6 ATL Atlanta Falcons vs. St. Louis Rams, December 15, 1996 Peyton Manning 6 IND Indianapolis Colts vs. San Diego Chargers, November 11, 2007 Brett Favre+ 6 GNB Green Bay Packers vs. St. Louis Rams, January 20, 2002 Joe Ferguson 6 BUF Buffalo Bills vs. Houston Oilers, November 10, 1974 Ryan Fitzpatrick 6 NYJ New York Jets vs. Kansas City Chiefs, September 25, 2016 Jay Schroeder 6 WAS Washington Redskins vs. New York Giants, December 7, 1986 Chris Chandler 6 STL St. Louis Rams vs. Carolina Panthers, December 12, 2004 Heath Shuler 5 WAS Washington Redskins vs. Arizona Cardinals, October 16, 1994 Jay Cutler 5 CHI Chicago Bears vs. San Francisco 49ers, November 12, 2009 Ben Roethlisberger 5 PIT Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Jacksonville Jaguars, October 8, 2017 Tony Romo 5 DAL Dallas Cowboys vs. Buffalo Bills, October 8, 2007 Joe Flacco 5 BAL Baltimore Ravens vs. Buffalo Bills, September 29, 2013 Ken Stabler+ 5 OAK Oakland Raiders vs. Miami Dolphins, December 10, 1978 Ken Stabler+ 5 OAK Oakland Raiders vs. New York Jets, October 21, 1979 Troy Aikman+ 5 DAL Dallas Cowboys vs. New York Giants, October 15, 2000 Ken Stabler+ 5 HOU Houston Oilers vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, September 7, 1980 Ken Stabler+ 5 HOU Houston Oilers vs. Seattle Seahawks, October 5, 1980 Tony Romo 5 DAL Dallas Cowboys vs. Chicago Bears, October 1, 2012 Brett Favre+ 5 GNB Green Bay Packers vs. Cincinnati Bengals, October 30, 2005 Drew Brees 5 NOR New Orleans Saints vs. Atlanta Falcons, November 29, 201 I didn’t wanna be right at. I sat there and waited with anticipation to watch and see if the rookie had it.
But it it was an awful move. I said so before hand. I got burned for it on here.
Then you and others come in here and try to spread out the blame when that was NEVER the case for Taylor. Be consistent dude. The only consistent thing is the double standards.
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25 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
Nate had a bad game WRT INT's. Getting hit twice while throwing and a tipped ball ... not 100% on Nate.
Also those piling it on - he's not the first QB to throw 5 INT's in a game.
So brave Bills fans go ahead and trash a rookie and request a QB that also can't get the job done.
Nate's failure should not change ones opinion of Tentative Taylor.
Also - I heard on the radio that McDermott may start Nate again against KC. Anyone hear similar.
I don’t think it changes anyone’s opinion on Taylor. This game just showed that some people’s opinions are very wrong.
Also I love how peterman gets pressured and throws AWFUL balls that shouldn’t leave his hand it’s becuz he got pressured and it’s not his fault. Taylor faces said pressure, takes the sack, lives the play another day or punt, and it’s always on him.
You are showing a lot here man.
And ftr. It wasn’t even a whole game. It was freaking HALF dude. And he was the first to do it since the freaking merger. Don’t try and make it even slightly less horrible than what it was. There’s no saving face. It was AWFUL.
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2 minutes ago, Luka said:
Lose 40-3, just don't you dare turn that ball over. Gotta keep those stat lines looking good.
Well he’s won more than he’s lost.... so there’s that.
But good idea. Just keep using last weeks game as the foundation of the argument. Solid strategy.
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Just now, Kirby Jackson said:
Over 83% of the people on this message board thought that it was a good idea to start him. 90% of those people will pretend that they were right.
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I was one of like the 5 people that voted “no” btw. Just so I’m on the record.
One of the few times I’m sad to be right. But just sayin.
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1 minute ago, jmc12290 said:
I don't see McD regaining the respect of the lockeroom if they play Peterman. Too much of an intentional tank move.
I have a hard time seeing him get it back regardless. Although I must admit I have no clue how an nfl locker room works.
And hiw how much of the roster is even gonna be around next year? This was just one offseason and it was a legit overhaul already.
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2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
I actually don’t want Tyrod being more aggressive. We don’t have receivers that can reward aggressiveness. If they aren’t open don’t throw them the ball. The scheme is what needs to go. We’re making the same mistake on offense that we made with Rex’s defense.
I agree 100% schematically. But at this point with how bad everything else is and him maybe being in “f*** it” mode” maybe he walks a little closer to that edge and it opens things up a bit. Just wishful thinking really. I’m not expecting much from anyone the rest of the way out.
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50 minutes ago, Foxx said:
so, you are looking for a who sucks less discussion?
I think the OP is justifiably annoyed with the fact that you and a couple others were fairly adimant that if somebody didn’t agree with the decision they obviously knew slim to none about what was going on.
It was a bad move. I didn’t want to be right. I kept grasping to the thought of a rookie coming in and playing better than our average/not quite good enough qb. He wasn’t. He sucked. It wasn’t the right move and now we have people showing real colors like JMC up there still pandering on about how it was the right call.
It it just wasn’t. Hands down. And I’m not somebody saying we even would have won if Taylor started but i’d Bet money it would have been competitive and we probably woulda had a shot.
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I’m trying to put a silver lining on this thing. There really isn’t one. The defense is completely f**ked. The line has been awful. BUT.....
what if the benching lit some sort of fire under Taylor’s ass and from here on out he just lets his nuts hang all over the field and things start happening on offense? I’m not gonna hold my breath but maybe it was just what the Dr ordered.
2 minutes ago, stevestojan said:17.857
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from this board it’s that qb rating means nothing. Lol
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3 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:
And he threw more INTs in one half then TT has all year....
Just say in.....
Or any qb since has in one half since 91.
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1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:
Did you know that taking a sack and going 3 and out is the same as an INT?
I learned that today.
Haha. Right. Nevermind the field position issues and the fact that some of his picks happened before the team could even have a chance at 3rd down.
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41 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
Sure he is.
It was a horrible game by Nate.
The announcers said maybe 2 INTs were on Nate.
But sure OK You win.
Taylor still is who he is. Garbage time points or not
Serious colors starting to show here. If you watched that game and only thought 2 picks were his fault then you honestly are just so far gone.
Just becuz a qb is getting pressured or hit when he throws doesn’t mean it wasn’t an absolutely AWFUL throw. You blasted Taylor for taking sacks in those situations but say the ints were up for debate with peterman.
Pathetic dude.
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And now Tyrod gets his 2nd raw deal of the week. Having to step into this dumpster fire.
does this mean certain posters can blame him for the loss now?
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5 minutes ago, Foxx said:
what's comical is that one can watch TT and not understand the limitations of his game.
Right. Or the fact that some can't grasp that one can totally see the limitations to his game yet give credit where its due.
Believe it or not I wasn't sold on Taylor and actually wanted a qb drafted in 17 or in 18 early even if he had a solid year due to said limitations. Just becuz I don't agree with the benching(although i see thr reasoning and i get it) doesn't mean I think he's a great qb. Some people have a hard time understanding how that works though.
Forgive me for thinking the 5th round rook isn't gonna be a huge upgrade if one at all.
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1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
When you hit 4 of 4 to a WR early you do not forget about him the remainder of the game.
I love how plenty of people that weren't sold on him routinely through our hot start said how they were slowly warming up to him but now the narrative is that he was just bad all along from some of the same people. It's comical
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Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:
Efficient is not effective!!!!!!
Please do not confuse the two.
Omg. I'm seriously not gonna get into this but he was plenty effective during the hot start. This is just dumb. Good god man.
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13 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:
what was wrong with his first sentence, it was accurate. are you one of those fans afraid of change? if coaches saw something and felt it was for the best for the team, why deny it?
I trust them much more than some fan clinging on to lost hope in a player that frankly had his chance and failed.
climb on the peterman train man, no sense in continuing to support a player riding the pine. besides, change can be a good thing.
I think his first statement is 100% off base. Taylor was playing nice efficient ball our first 7 games as a whole. I dunno how that can even be argued all that much.
As for the benching....My Fanhood isn't tied to any one player on this team. I'm all in with Peterman if he's the starter. I'll hope for the best. Why is it that anyone that doesn't agree with the benching automatically was in love with Tyrod or doesn't like Peterman as a player?
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13 minutes ago, Foxx said:
Tyrod really didn't have a solid start. he is the same today as he was when he came out of college.
also, it is not that i wanted to be right, i actually wanted to be wrong but as it turns out, i was right and yes, i want to be rid of him because he is not a starting qb in the NFL. what defenses are finally figuring out is that if you can get up on the Bills and take away the run game, they are very easy to defend. the reason for that is because you have a qb that doesn't like to throw the ball unless the potential receiver is open by a country mile. can't scan the entire field, sees only half of it (can't believe i actually argued at one point that this was brilliant) and has no idea how to anticipate where the receiver will be on a regular basis.
Your first sentence here speaks volumes to me. We are done here. Good talk, bruh.
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Who starts next week: Taylor or Peterman?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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like I said yesterday around here somewhere..... the only bit of positivity I can pluck out of this deal is that maybe the benching was some sort of blessing in disguise. taylor finally lets his nuts hang and lives on the edge just enough to give the whole team a spark.
not gonna hold my breath though. heck.... he may not even play. LOL.