Shaw66

That's a good point. I agree. I think the Bills have to worry that the Dolphins want a QB or someone else will trade up. Of course, there has to be a QB the Bills want.

Like lots of people here, I've been thinking about what might happen between now and Thursday night. We've seen some rumors about the Bills talking to the Giants and some rumors about there being no deal with the Giants. Well, as I think about, it seems clear that there'll be no deal with Giants because the Bills can't offer the Giants anything that works for the Giants. Either the Giants want one of the good QBs or they don't. If they want one of the good QBs, then the only trade they'll do is to move to 1, 3 or possibly 4. If they trade down below 4, the QB they want could be gone. If they want one of the stud non-QBs, they can't move to 5 because the Browns may take the best stud non-QB at 4. So it seems likely the only way the Bills could get to #2 would be if the Bills first traded to 4 and then traded up again. But getting to 4 will be expensive - probably at least the 12 and 22, and that would be only if the Browns didn't like any of the studs at the top of the draft. Then from 4 to 2 probably would cost next year's first. There's a rumor that the Bills actually offered those three firsts to the Giants and the Giants said no. The Giants said no, probably, because they know they don't want to pick below 3 or 4 at the worst, and getting those three firsts doesn't help them UNLESS THEY have a deal with the Browns for 4. So that means to me the only route there is for the Bills to get to #2 is essentially a three-team trade, where the Bills go to #2, the Giants go to #4 and get the Bills' first round pick next year, and the Browns get the Bills' #12 and #22. (Maybe a few late-round picks thrown in here and there to grease the skids.) That seems to me to be a very, very hard deal to make. Giants more or less won't do it if they want a QB, because it lets Buffalo and the Jets get in the QB line ahead of the Giants. Only can work if the Giants want one of the top-of-the-draft non-QB studs AND the Browns don't want any of them. And it's much easier for the Giants to tell the Jets they're looking to trade out of #2, and to protect themselves the Jets would need to trade up. So the Giants can easily pick up another nice pick by moving back to #3, at no cost to them so long as they don't want a QB. So the Bills are picking, at the very best, 4th. Even that seems like a stretch. The QB they want would have to be there (after the Browns, Giants and Jets have taken two or three of the QBs), and the Bills would have to be willing to give 12 and 22 to get there. Possible, not likely. Can the Bills get to 5? Only if the Broncos don't want the QB the Bills want. So it looks to me like Bills will be picking after at least 3 QBs have come off the board. If the Bills actually did offer the Giants three first round picks (12, 22 and 2019) for #2, I wonder this: Two months ago, that was 21, 22 and Cordy Glenn. Did the Bills offer THAT to the Colts for #3? THAT's the deal the Bills should have made, if it was possible. The problem always was that the Jets had a much more attractive first-round pick to offer.

That's excellent! Thanks for taking the time to put it together. Quite nice.

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Foles has had two good seasons as a pro. That's more than catching lightning. I'm not a huge Foles fan, but if the Bills won't or can't pull the trigger on a deal to move up for the QB they want in the draft, then I've always thought the other option is to send a pick to the Eagles for Foles, or a player, and keep looking for a rookie in the next few years. In the meantime, see if Foles pans out.

It was a good move by the Jets. It cost them a lot to do it, and they had the #6. I'm sure the Bills were talking to the Colts, but the cost to the Bills would have been out of sight.

You should retire. Then you can watch this stuff all day and not feel guilty.

Rewarded! Keep looking and something happens. Foles gets a new deal. Still doesn't sound like a deal that would bar a trade, so the Foles option is still out there, I think.

Depends on whether the Bills' favorite QB is still on the board and if the Bills love him like the Colts loved luck. Personally, I think if the Bills move up, it will be to 4 through 10, not 2. Nope. Keep checking.

I think the Bills' next move is during the draft. That means as soon as the Browns' first pick goes up, the fun starts. Do the Giants stick, or do the Bills pick?

We know the Yankees are human and the Red Sox are from another planet. Didn't know THAT three months ago.

Unless they trade up and take a punter. THAT will surprise us. All other bases have been covered in previous threads.

I'll say. Nothing like two picks in the first round and a half dozen good quarterbacks to get people interested.

Goodness, gracious, all this draft talk has lured a lurker out from the weeds to join the fray. Welcome!

Oh, man, don't say it. Someone tell Beane not to draft The Black Panther.

The draft is like Christmas every year. Shiny new toy under the tree, all that. But this year, it's like there's a four-car garage under the tree and I'm hoping for a Jag, a Porsche, a Maserati and a Lexus for everyday driving with a big red bow on top.

I'll admit it: I have draft fever, bad. I'm coming here every day, every night, looking for news. Any trades? Any credible rumors? Did McBeane say anything? Are the Browns on the clock yet? Did Belichick fart in his sleep? I can't help myself. I bite on almost anything. GIVE ME SOME NEWS!!!! Will the draft EVER get here? Not here yet? How about now? Still no? This is agony.

Of course, but the truth is that the second and last post in almost every thread should be "Nobody actually knows s***." No, we were talking about the Jets game.

Jake Arrieta was a young pitcher with a lot of potential. The Orioles got him and tried to reshape his motion and his philosophy, worked with him for years and never got anywhere. He moved on to the Cubs, who said "go back to doing it your way," and he became an immediate success. It's not that the Orioles approach was wrong; it's that it's really hard to have success by changing what the player has done naturally for years.

I didn't study it. I did look at point 4, because I think I understand this point, and the article got it completely correct. Assuming for the moment that points 1-3 are correct, and they made sense to me, then you can understand why it's so hard to change mechanics when these guys get to the pros. If you've been throwing with a flawed motion since seventh grade, it's very difficult to reshape all that muscle memory and come up with a new motion that you use under pressure. It's tough. My son was a pretty good high school baseball player with a flawed swing. We studied and figured out the proper mechanics, and he practiced it a lot. Stepped into the batter's box in a live game, however, and his swing went back to the old flaws. Without the right mechanics, he never good generate the bat speed necessary to hit in college. That's why I said in the beginning of this thread that I take articles about changed mechanics with a grain of salt. A lot more people work on their mechanics than actually change them.

You can make it up if you want, but the rest of us trying to deal in reality here. In your world a touchdown pass to Zay Jones in the second quarter may count for 3 points, but for the rest of us, it's 7. And 15-21, a touchdown, and 7.8 yards per attempt over the first three quarters may be horrible in your world, but the rest of us call it something else.

Wrong. Here's what I wrote after the game: At the risk of starting a firestorm, what I really liked in the Jets game was Tyrod Taylor. We’ll see what the second half of the season, but I’m pretty much sold on him. Another night of excellent numbers. He was 29 for 40, 7.1 yards per attempt, 2 TDs. 109 passer rating. And before someone complains that he fattened his numbers in garbage time, he didn’t. Through three quarters, he was 15-21 for a 7.8 average per attempt, with one touchdown. 110 passer rating. In the fourth quarter he just continued what he’d been doing all game. And he made a bundle of excellent throws. Both TDs were delivered beautifully, one with zip to Jones and one with touch, deep, to Thompson. He had several excellent throws to receivers over the middle, including a couple to Jones, the fumble plays by Matthews and O’Leary. Plus, he’s in complete control. Never seems to be excited, runs the huddle efficiently.

You're right. It was the defense. Taylor was pretty bad against New Orleans, but he was really good against the Jets. Still, I'll put it on McD. Why change your QB when he's playing well and your defense is imploding? That's on McD. And whoever said it may have been Denison's call is right, too. May have been. And maybe it was just McDermott trusting his coordinators, and after the debacle he knew Denison was gone. But I can't buy that completely. McDermott was seeing the practices. He must have seen that Peterman wasn't playing like Aaron Rodgers.

Exactly.