Patrick Duffy

Yup I agree, although I think Browns have a better pass rush. Anyways, regarding the bold....that is why I posted the question upthread, do you think Bills D would have done any better than Browns did after PM went out? I think they maybe could have because then McD could have totally changed gameplan and I think that even though Bills pass rush wasn't great, Bills do have better CB's and S.

Meh, depends on who is predicting the favorites. I've seen Ravens picked and Browns for the majority. A few said Steelers too, but mostly it's between Birds and Browns. I definitely would not be surprised the least bit if Browns do take that division this year.

Here's a question for everyone, if it was the Bills instead of the Browns when PM went out that game....... Do you think the Bills D could have done better than the Browns D did against Chiefs QB2?

Meh, I don't see much difference in Jets with or without him.

Yeah it's clear that if you want to hang with Chiefs you most definitely need a pass rush that can get to PM. If not you're going to get whooped. Far as the Browns I agree. They are for sure a good, solid all around team. Their ground game is pretty good and I believe that's what is keeping Baker's head above water for the most part. I for sure think if you control the ground game and make Baker beat you, that can give any team a good chance to win. I just don't believe ( for now anyways) that Baker is good enough if the ground games is taken away and he has to make more plays to win. Of course he could also continue to grow and get better, but if I'm picking between Baker and Allen to win a game with it all on their shoulders, it's Allen hands down. And not even close imo. So because of that alone, I think the Bills get the edge.

If D line improves I'd guess Hughes or maybe Addison. Wouldn't be surprised if AJ gets in the mix. He looked better later in the season. If the Dline struggles to get pressure again this season and blitz a lot I would even throw J. Poyer or Hyde in there. They can get to the QB just as much as the LB's at times. I don't see anyone getting double digit sacks though. If they do though it would be great.

I think Browns, as far as the past season goes anyway, had the better ground game. I think Allen is better than Baker. Even though PM went out the playoff game a little early, I would say the D of Bills and Browns are fairly close. Maybe give slight edge to Browns. So both teams are pretty close.

Lol, well if you think a B is harsh then I will just have to 100% disagree. All good though.

I'm not saying they have to hit on all picks at all. Obviously that's not going to happen. It's just my overall grade.That's what I assumed this thread was about, the overall draft grade. I gave it a B. Which is imo pretty good, so don't really get why you assume I'm saying it was a bad draft. I get that not much is expected from a 5th round pick, but had to factor in how god awful bad Petermen was. They you have the 2nd rd pick in Zay. I don't even have to get into how that went. So yeah, with all that imo a B is still decent.

Think they may be good with what they got. Pass rush improves then so does the CB's. Unless they add after cuts. This. Yes looking forward to seeing more of him. Impressive rookie past season.

Bills had defining moments in 2012?

Yup, he does give it his all. Still believe that incident with the ref back then still to this day follows him and at times he gets treated a little different.

White, Dawkins, and Milano clearly were really good picks. When you factor in Zay, Petermen (especially) I guess I would overall give it a B or B-.. I really don't factor in the Tanner pick in 6th round very much due to obvious reasons, however if it would have been a 6th round player that totally surprised and made an impact (which is very rare) it would be an A. Also I don't really factor in the PM miss since so many other teams also passed on him. That's just me.

Lol I remember many fans were high on him back then. Was always a "meh" player to me though when he came to the Bills.

I may be in the minority but ever since he had that confrontation with the ref that year, it seems like life as a pass rusher has been difficult for him. The guy gets held and mangled so often and a very high percent of the time it does not get called. Just makes me wonder how much better his numbers would be if not for that. I don't know, either way he's been a good player that has stayed for I think going on 10 years? Definitely see why some say he is worthy of WOF.

I'd have to say no. Not quite anyways at this point. He's definitely close though

I thought that was pretty much what he posted/meant. lol

Just wanted to stop in and say I can't stand Nascar racing. Boring and sucks. ok I'm out

This is exactly what they should do. And I believe it's very likely they do. Yeah and when the Dline up front struggles, it trickles down to the LB's and makes it difficult for them. But there has been times when Edmunds made bad decisions and hopefully his instinct will get better as he continues to learn.

Don't know how the Moderna effects ppl much, I had Pfizer, anyway 2nd was little worse but could manage. Got fevers with 2nd does but not with 1st. Haven't heard much with Moderna besides with 2 ppl. My tattoo artist got Moderna and said he was fine. Just arm soreness. other person said it put em down for a few days. So hopefully you will be one of those where it doesn't mess u up too bad lol

Yeah those picks have been a little disappointing. But I mean the Oliver pick was one of those that many/most if not every team would have taken that draft. I hear ya on the out of position talk with him. I'm sure that may be a part of it with him, but not sure how much. I feel good about Espensa, may be in the minority, but I feel like he will start to be a good player soon. With Edmunds, some say he also out of position and needs to be outside. And as far as H. Phillips goes, I honestly didn't expect but so much out of him. Many thought he was/would be another K. Williams. I was not one of them. Anyway, hope can get that good D player that makes an impact right away. Would be nice.

Oh cool. Thanks. Didn't know about movie in May. Will be watching it.

Guess it's not that unpopular since he still not in lol

Agree. Was surprised John got killed off. Guess they have to kill off characters at some point. But John was a pretty major, popular character.

Of course, some do some don't. Was speaking for myself since that's what thread asked.