Rochesterfan

Again - I haven’t see the play from the All-22, but watching it again on YouTube the CB and WR right in front of that official just as they get to the edge of the screen - while Goff is just reaching the top of the drop - you see the WR move to the inside and the Bills CB reach out his hand as he was beat to the inside. Then they go off screen and I believe that is the call - although I do not know the number of the DB there - it did not look like 36. I thought it was Jackson #30 and I believe the safety #46 came up to force Goff into the slide. I did not see Josh Thomas on the field, but I could not see who the other Safety was with Johnson it could easily be Thomas, but they were off the screen from the beginning. If you watch it as Goff breaks the pocket and begins lumbering toward the sidelines - the Ref already has the flag out and goes to throw it, but as Goff is running directly at him - he double clutches and then tosses it in an area not to hit anyone. The players were running directly into the spot he was going to throw the flag. Since it was not a spot foul - he did not have to throw it where the penalty occurred. I would assume the lengthy discussion was for the reason you described - he was not looking in the backfield - so he would need to give the timing on what he saw and someone else would need to confirm where Goff was at that point to the best of their ability to piece the entire thing together. If the illegal contact was the 2 guys on the outside - starting just in front of that official as I suspect - and it was just after the WR made his inside move and the CBs arm shot out - then it occurred while Goff was in the pocket. If it was someone else - then it is hard to say because the only other receiver in the area was covered by a LB and never went downfield.

The Bills had Refs in practice most of last week. They were all over the field. From listening to Sal - they will have some back again either this week or next week before the end of preseason.

Totally agree with the premise of - that image being when he threw the flag. I am not sure I agree that this was when he saw the penalty. It looked like to me - he tried to grab the flag earlier and then the play sorta came at him and he moved his position and then finally threw the flag. I watched several times and have not seen an angle showing exactly when the first contact occurred that was flagged - so I can’t say it was a bogus call or not. I think people get influenced by when the flag is thrown and think that is the exact moment of the penalty, but these guys are watching many things and may see something, but then the play starts moving and they can’t get the flag at that moment. Overall - I won’t kill the officials - there were several borderline calls, but both Roughing calls on he QB were correct calls. Both of the lowering the helmet calls (1 on each team) were marginal, but as a point of emphasis- not surprising. Much like some of the weak taunting calls in other games. The holding especially early seemed legitimate on Hart. I thought they did an adequate job calling the game.

If it wasn’t of interest- why did he resign here and why did they sign him? I would say - my guess is he will also sign up for being exempt after the preseason - as he is injured and very unlikely to be able to show much in the next 2 weeks. If I had to guess - I expect him and Williams to both be on the PS and him to have the IP designation and to not dress at all again this year, but get paid once again. I really don’t think the decision will be very difficult at all for any involved.

Sorry never seen a player on the Panthers before - must be a new team - maybe we can watch for some of their players to sign. 😂

Yep - because he did the first move right at a Panther. Stupid, but they decided that actions directed at opposing players was going to get called and they will be using the preseason to enforce. My guess is by late September- that would go uncalled, but for the next month - including weeks 1+2 of the regular season - any taunting calls will not surprise me. I got worried in our game with some of the ball spinning from the WRs - if it occurs in the general direction of the opposing team - they could call it. Insane for little acts, but they are trying to lessen middle of the field actions as they allow more end zone celebrations in the last few years.

They were experimenting with Hart on the Left Side and he has been a RT exclusive in his career pretty much. I think they needed to see if he can be a swing tackle or not and I think last night showed: NOT. He whiffed because his technique on the left was terrible. He struggled getting his feet to move correctly and his body angle was off. I think they know he is viable as an emergency RT, but if he can’t fill both - then the Bills need a plan. It could be Brown - who played ok at LT or Williams moves over and Hart on the right, or even Bates as a RT back-up - although I thought he looked pretty good at center.

He started with Mitch - made some nice blocks on runs and during his time they threw the ball twice? What we’re you looking for in the 2 passes - 10 catches and a load of big plays? They saw him do some special teams and a few plays.

Boogie was the beautiful form tackle on the QB just after delivering the pass, but he landed on the QB with his weight. Very questionable, but based upon how the rule is interpreted- it was probably correct. I thought Obada showed some nice things and struggled at times, but the roughing the passer looked bad. I saw it live and told my wife just as he picked it off - this is coming back on a RTP call. What I saw in replay was it looked like the tackle shoved his back in a downward motion which brought him lower into the knee area, but that was bad all around. I also find it funny that Bills fans were worried about getting injured and most of the questionable hits came from our young guys - not the lions.

Pretty sure - just like McD - Campbell was working on a few things making scenarios to talk about in film session. It was not how he would coach in a game. My guess is he told the players and coaches - act like we are down by 4 points and need the TD and although they did not succeed- they have film and teaching points. That also gave his team a chance to try and create a late game stop - another teaching moment. McD did the same thing - I believe after the Stevenson catch - he used his timeout - to purposely create a scenario of can we get another 10-20 yards or even 5-6 yards with no timeouts. He can then use these as film teaching points - whether it worked or not is irrelevant- they become teaching material. I also think McD will be a bit ticked by the job his D did late in the game allowing the TD and the FG - so he will have some moments on film in there. Overall - remember it is preseason and for to many years guys acted like it was meaningful to win and would just play it like a regular season game - to the point of just running the ball and not working on things. The league has changed and these new coaches see much more value in scenario situations than actual score. It is why I think eventually pre season will go away and be replaced by televised and fan attended scrimmages in stadiums around the country where 2-4 teams can get together decide on scenarios and practice exactly what they want. Split the field at mid field and have all 4 going at once and switch up who you go against to prevent those fights when teams get together 1:1. This is what most coaches prefer to preseason games and coaches like McVay not playing any starters will eventually force change.

Love the post @GunnerBill - agreed pretty much right along the board with what you said. I have to believe the team will watch that film and be most upset with Hart. I think they were hoping he would look good against those back-ups and maybe drive up an asking price for trade. Instead - he showed he couldn’t even compete with 4th and 5th string guys - huge disappointment as I think he was gone anyway, but I think he just may have played himself out of the league rather than even a tradable commodity.

No but as his arms are longer than many LTs arms - it should be available as needed. The length with a stretch allow him to get a hand to the tackle before the tackle can get his hands on Rousseau and if he is strong enough with that punch - many tackles are going to look just like Sewell there.

Money mostly and because he has stunk as bad as Hart in Dallas. He was older and consistently losing a step.

I believe they had Powell go first because he actually has experience at returning kicks and Stevenson doesn’t. I also think as McD said - there are some guys that are going to get cut and this might be the only chance we see them. I think he wanted to see a bit from Powell to help decide on cutting him. I think Stevenson was sticking around after this game no matter what - so let’s see Powell and if he doesn’t shine - he becomes cut/trade bait.

Maddy still interviewed Josh after the practice. She has a role for the team. I think the NFL network is looking to get Cynthia more exposure and practice at more things. She is still part of NFLN and has side gigs with several teams providing content. I think the bills are giving her a chance at some sideline gigs during preseason to add to what she can do. It seemed obvious that it was a role she was not comfortable with and learning sideline reporting on a local coverage is better than failing on the flagship in prime time. It gets her ready to help out during the season on different coverage.

I wouldn’t do it yet because I don’t want Josh to see much preseason action - so I prefer to keep Fromm on the roster and Josh in bubble wrap until after the third game. Then cut Fromm if you want.

That is just a terrible take - seems like the staff wanted to get some serious run blocking practice for the guys they had starting (mostly 2nd stringers) against Detroit’s starters. They showed well. Webb and Fromm - it was nice to see them actually throw a pass against another team. That had not happened for either of them.

Which is what they would do in a real game, but what happens if it was a snowy game or that completion only got them to mid field - the smart coaches devise a plan and tell his coaches - let’s try to get 1 more first down with no time outs. They purposely called the timeout just to allow the extra plays. McD was fine last year when needed in late game, but no - you think in a pre season game - he mismanaged the clock. Good grief.

Maybe Fromm failed and they will use it as a learning point. Yes - it was obvious they were playing with an exact situation in mind. Late 4th quarter - no timeouts - need 1 more first down. Fromm completed passes, but the guys did not execute the attempt. It will be discussed and used as a teaching points for all of the players. McD talked about wanting these situations and that he was going to do things in these games he would not do in the regular season just to give live situations to both players and coaches - they talked about that pre-game.

Idiotic take McD has been solid in all aspects and getting better, but the Mcclappy comment shows a troll. 👋

Because like Campbell - they were playing a situation- not a regular season game. Why would Detroit throw the ball near the end zone the drive before - it is not because Campbell is stupid - they were trying to use that as a chance to practice certain plays in a true game situation. McD did the same thing - after the long completion- the next set of play calls would never happen in an actual game, but you want to see how you team reacts with no timeouts needing to move the ball. I think he is happy they won, but more happy to try different things. I also think he would of been fine if the clock had been moving and they had to rush the kicker out if he had gotten tackled in bounds. They worked that scenario in practice and I think he would of loved that in the game - hence the play calls. 🤦‍♂️

I think my cuts would be: 1) OL person - I thought Hart stunk, but he was still playing and there were others below him I did not see. I thought they might be trying to showcase him for trade bait, but that seemed to backfire. 2) Brandon Powell - Stevenson looked competent and Powell does nothing. 3) Bug Howard - never saw him - want to see more of Morris 4) Mike Love - love the kid, but rather see the young guys play and thought they all played well. 5) Tyrell Adams - missed the biggest tackle of the game on a perfect call - thought the other LBs were just flat out better.

I don’t disagree, but then people need to expect to see major changes to the game day fans. If you have 65,000 season tickets - you need essentially come up with $16,000 per person to cover the private cost over a short time. The longer it takes the more you need to cover interest. So upping the cost to over $200 per ticket and $5,000 psl per seat and you begin to cover the cost in 10-15 years, but if it costs over $7000 for tickets and $20,000 for a psl for 4 tickets - how many regular fans are signing up for that? You are then changing the clientele completely and if it doesn’t sell out - you have to find other ways to get that money. If you spread that out through the state with 20 million people - you could cover that with a much smaller cut - 5$ a year covering 10 years hits 1 Billion and you could do that with a state wide stadium fee - that covers that and other stadium needs in the future.

Sal was talking about Ford Field having really nice sight lines. Indy had fine sight lines for the game I saw there. I have heard Minny was phenomenal and I can’t wait to hear how the new LA and LV stadiums actually seem with fans, but both seemed fine. I think old designs forced bad sight lines for roofed stadiums, but the newer stadiums seemed to have solved most of that issue. I think the roofed stadiums lose some of that ambiance that we love, but also controls the weather better when you have a top flight offense. I think you are going to be pretty upset then. My guess will be the new OP stadium is going to run about a billion for the taxpayer - twice what you are looking at. I also think if it was going downtown that would be closer to 2 billion in taxpayer cost - so staying in OP will be much lower for taxpayers, but it is still going to be a lot.

I don’t disagree with what you are saying, I disagree with the taxpayer sentiment. The taxpayer portion is going to be huge either way. I would prefer if that was logically spent downtown with a Ford Field, Indy, or Minnesota type stadium. If they are going the cheap route with a new open air in OP - I still expect the taxpayers to foot most of the bill - the overall cost will just be less. It provides nothing but a game day experience, but the cost will be smaller. Downtown brings much more availability, but the costs rise.