Rochesterfan

Considering I don't think anything they did changed the output for this year - I will say the Bills

Point one is totally irrelevant - yes I would draft a 24 yr old SW in the first if he was under a rookie contract and the injuries were not there. I would not draft a 24 yr old SW with the known injury history and knowing you need to sign him at 13-15 million a year contract with the injury history. You trade the guy to get a younger version that is price controlled for 4 or 5 years and fits the scheme you want to run. The Julio Jones comparison is great if we had Matt Ryan and a passing offense, but that is not what we are doing this year or probably next year - so get something and move on.

I would say over 3 years if a guy has more catches per season, more yards per season, and more TDs per season - that he is more productive - yes. Is Sammy the better player - yes, but as he has not been healthy for a full season - he has never lived up to that potential. It is great that you think Sammy will be healthy - the issue is the you THINK. He has not been healthy since he started and there are many players that never really recover after that injury. There are also some players that do. It is a risky proposition to assume he will stay healthy and if you can get a player that has put up better numbers during the same number of years in the league - it is not bad to look at. I also think the QB play in LA is going to be bad - I think Watkins will at best be average with that team - and will be looking for a new team in 2018 and the Bills will have gotten something p, while the Rams will lose him for compensatory picks.

Trading 2 firsts and a 4th for Sammy originally- says hi. This is not even the worst Bills trade involving Sammy.

Nope, but on a season average - so unless you believe Sammy is gong to stay healthy - which he has not done yet - Matthews has been the more productive pro to date.

Yesterday - legitimately 0% Tonight - still 0% They were not beating the Pats either way. So they were fighting for a wildcard from the get go with essentially and 0-2 record. They would of needed to go 10-4 and with or without Watkins that was not going to happen. At worse they went from an 8-8 team to a 7-9 team. Really think they have a vision and Sammy was not part of that vision.

Yet Matthews has outplayed Watkins since being drafted in most stats - he has more catches each year than Watkins, more yards and more TDs. The key is a healthy Watkins can be a star, but an injured Watkins gives you nothing.

You may be right, but they also have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds - so say that is true - they have the potential to fill everyone of those needs with someone in the first 3 rounds. So yes they may have to draft for positions traded away, but they also got draft picks just to do that. Seems more like running with a purpose now.

This is great if the Bills thought he was worth that money - they obviously did not think a WR with his injury history and production was worth paying either the 5th year option or a franchise tag. Once they realize they do not want to pay that, while they try to find their franchise QB - the trade makes sense. Get something for him and help you get your QB and a WR in the next draft so they can develop together. This moves makes it very obvious what they think of TT as an answer at QB. This is about trying to get you QB and your playmakers together and not having SW sitting there making a boatload of money while we develop someone to throw him the ball.

Without a QB they have a less talented offense than we had last year and a complete defensive overhaul. I think they will compete with SF at the bottoms of the division.

Exactly - an it would potentially have saddled a team if he gets hurt. Again not sure the 5th year option meant you would have gotten more and may not have been able to do anything. Most teams were talking about a third or mid second for Cooks with the 5th year option. Finally got a late first from NE.

The pats gave up a very late 1st for Cook. The Bills got a 2nd (potentially very high) and a potential starter. Seems about a wash to me. Not sure the 5th year option helps much at all.

Voted - yes Short term it stinks, but I think it is a better long term solution and I do not think the drop off is that great. Matthews may be a better fit in the RICO scheme than Watkins anyway. He just is not as talented long term.

How do you figure his value is at its lowest? He played caught a few balls and was not injured. I do not think Sammy's trade value gets much higher. There is a good chance he gets hurt in the next couple of games and then you get nothing. Not that I think the trade is good, but I do not hate it. They traded players to get replacement players and high picks. I think Matthews is a better fit for the offense that we are running than Sammy, but I hate the drops. We will see how it goes. Darby going to Gaines is a step down, but additional picks help.

The issue he is not doing it consistently in practice - if he was then the OC would not be talking about once again. There are times at practice you can see him thinking about it, but more often than not - the throw goes outside to the WR moving side to side. He makes the safe play - that is not always wrong, but it also means plays are left all over the field. Peterman does not have TT talent or arm strength, but you see it already he has the anticipation- the issue is in the NFL the DBs are better than college and you see him them get better breaks and a few more picks than TT.

We will have to wait and see, but it does not bode well. Three OC and all have asked for more anticipatory throws. I know Denison thinks it can be taught, but we are talking about 6 full years as a pro and 2 full years as a starter with OC and head coaches harping on that. As I said in the other TT thread - you can see this at camp - he has been inconsistent, but when he is completing a lot of passes - they seem to be wide to wide open WRs. You can see him looking more, but the progression seems to be toward the outside as much as anything. We will have to see.

I think this is more significant than they understand. All of the brains study to date from NFL players were from former players that showed signs of CTE. The fact that it is not 100% is note worthy. Research teams are trying to develop serum biomarkers to test for CTE, but the studies are still on-going. The issue from some of the initial research seemed to focus on the fact that some CTE biomarkers were nearly as prevalent in the general public as in athletes and that some other sports Hockey, Soccer, wrestling- all showed similar levels to football players. Therefore - until they can do long term biomarker and brain research across the population- I will believe there is a link, but the impact is still up for debate.

This is going to be so interesting. I hear some good and some bad from the reports. The one camp day I went to he was very up and down. Lots of throws to the outside - much like we saw last year, but there was a bit better timing. He also used his eyes a bit better, but it still was almost all safe throws - nothing that makes you say wow. Then you read Astro's reports and he tends to be very upbeat and gives a great impression and does an amazing job of providing details. Then you read other reporters and you get a mishmash of things across the board both good and bad. The one thing hat did worry me was Murph did state he did not think TT was having a good camp - he thought there was still time, but that there was more negatives than positives. When I hear that from Murph - that gives me pause because he is around the team all the time and he talks with a ton of players and coaches. He did say that was his opinion and nothing the coaches have said, but when your biggest cheerleader states he was a bit worried - it made me take notice. I also get the feeling that Donald Jones is not a big fan of TT's game - he brings up intangibles, but complained a lot about his passing, but I have not heard him be overly critical this camp. We will see how this all plays out, but I think we are in for another up and down year.

I agree 100% with this - you keep hear the report 99% of players tested showed CTE - yet it is from a limited group that showed signs and agreed to donate their brains. They have never done a conclusive study what the rate is among all players or other sports or the general public. Various serum biomarkers that are being explored to test on the living have been showing that rates for football players are higher than the general public, but not by huge percentages and that other sports like soccer have just as high an incidence. At some point the research will catch up and we will have actual data to understand the numbers, but for now this is just scare tactics.

They feel that Yates gives them the better chance to win. There are limited reps for a back-up and if you can place a guy in the role that you already know what he can and can not do - you are going to get better success. If the Bills signed Kaep and needed someone for 6 - 8 weeks then yes Kaep may be better, but if it is the second half of a game in December- every coach would want to put a guy in that understands the offense and can fit in for the week or two. I honestly do not care - I think all of the guys you mentioned including Kaep are not good enough - so pick a guy that already knows what you are doing and go from there. Age should have nothing to do with it and neither should what some guy did in someone else's system - find someone the team is comfortable with and go from there.

To me it is simple - look at Miami last year - they lost their starter with a couple of games to go - that is no time to decide if Peterman can do the job. You want a Veteran leader that know the offense and understands how to watch and breakdown film to help these guys grow in the system. It gives the players someone to bounce questions off from and to share opinions - especially during the game. There are lots of reasons to want a long time veteran that is familiar with an offense to be part of the team. Long term he is nothing other than a support and help in certain cases. If TT goes down early or struggles - then I agree - you want to see what Peterman can do if we are losing, but I would take Yates over Peterman for finishing a game or a week or two with the playoffs on the line.

Actually this is wrong - there are prescriptions n many cases and they have follow-up to perform. Secondly there are delivery methods of CBD that do not test positive. The screening test is for THC - which is active in the pot you smoke and bake and often oils, but there are pills for CBD that is effective at battling Crohn's disease, but does not produce the high felling and does not cause positive screens. If he is taking it for the treatment alone - there are things he can do and still play in the league without suspension. If he enjoys smoking pot because of how it makes him feel and it helps with his disease - then he deserves the suspension. The issue is he has tested positive multiple times prior to the disease being an issue and it has not changed.

Very interesting - I think that is about right. I think there are 6-7 guys in the top two tiers and you hit on them. They are definitely better at their position than TT is at his. I think the third tier is filled with players you could juggle in many orders depending on what you want - guys like Taylor, Hughes, Hyde, Clay, Wood, Lorax, etc. so to me TT is in a group of guys between 8-15 on the roster and depending upon what you want to argue it could go any way. Then you start to hit the lower tiers and the unknowns- Ragland, Lawson (both of whom could move up if they have good years), Darby, Brown, and rookies like Jones and White. That's not real fair as I have not seen many including myself that do not think TT is good enough - disagree with the position. I did see a couple of guys that argue on TT behalf- joke about him being at the bottom, but no one being serious. The question becomes (and we will see how the year plays out) is your starting QB being around the 10th best player on your team good enough or not. Considering that he has to handle the ball on every offense play - I want that guy to be one of my top players on offense and most seem to agree he is somewhere around 5-6 best player on offense - in a group with Clay, DiMarco, and Wood - Behind guys like Sammy, Shady, Incognito, And Glenn at least.

I think you are sort of right. I think there will be a prolonged stoppage at some point and the players will get some concessions like 50% of the revenue- Marijuana will depend upon whether the current President - rolls back a lot of the legality on it - if it becomes totally illegal again like the attorney general would like - I do not think they get that. I think the owners will get the win and there will be 17 or 18 games, mandatory practice will increase, and they will look for ways to prevent future lawsuits from the players. The problem is the players fight for things like Marijuana and discipline that impact very few players and tend to cave on bigger things that impact the majority because they stock the PA with the stars that do not listen to the average player.

I know transplant- you are trying hard - but even you stated by the end of the Pittsburgh game you were essentially ready to move on - so everything you say may be true, but with 3 games left in the season you had readily admitted that TT was not good enough. Then he played 2 terrible defenses in Cleveland and Miami and look slightly above average and now you talk that he was fine all year. TT was not the reason the Bills were average, but he also was not the solution. With a change to the running game - I expect it is going to come back toward the field and I expect we have seen from TT what he can do - I think he will be fine with combo routes to the outside - much like the comeback routes - throws he can see the guy is open. I anticipate he will struggle with throws to moving targets moving between the hash marks because that is what he has struggled with - both vision and anticipation throws. I anticipate that the Bills will be rolling TT out a lot and where we see other QBs throw to 1 of 2 receivers - I think TT will run more than throwing in those situations because he trusts his athletic ability more than his throwing ability. I think the article provide some nice best case scenarios, but it was interesting how many times they attached routes the Bills used over the last 2 years to illustrate the routes - that means some of these concepts were already used and he struggled at times and in this offense they will limit what TT was best at - the deep go route along the sideline - that is what opened up everything and that will be cut down in the new scheme and I think the short timing routes will bring defenses closer to the LOS - again hurting our running game. We will see how it goes.