Rochesterfan

Not just Gruden - lots of different guys thought he was the most pro ready and loved his ability. His arm strength is a concern - there is no two ways about it, but we will see how hard he works on things. Very happy with this pick. We have some choices at the position and maybe one can change the fortunes of our franchise.

Agreed - have no idea how it will turn out, but sounds a lot Brady - especially related to arm strength and ability to read coverages: Here is at least one copy of Brady pre-draft: Notes: Baseball catcher and football quarterback in high school who was drafted by the Montreal Expos in the 18th round of the June 1995 baseball draft. Opted for football and redshirted at Michigan in '95. Saw limited action in '96 and '97 and started the past two years. Completed 3 of 5 passes for 26 yards, no touchdowns and one interception in '96, 12-15-103-0-0 in '97, 214-350-2,636-15-12 in '98 and 180-295-2,216-16-6 in '99, when he often shared time with super sophomore Drew Henson. Went all the way against Alabama in the Orange Bowl and completed 34-46-369-4. Unlike many Michigan quarterbacks, Brady is a pocket-type passer who plays best in a dropback-type system. Tom Brady Positives: Good height to see the field. Very poised and composed. Smart and alert. Can read coverages. Good accuracy and touch. Produces in big spots and in big games. Has some Brian Griese in him and is a gamer. Generally plays within himself. Team leader. Negatives: Poor build. Very skinny and narrow. Ended the '99 season weighing 195 pounds and still looks like a rail at 211. Looks a little frail and lacks great physical stature and strength. Can get pushed down more easily than you'd like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can't drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own. Summary: Is not what you're looking for in terms of physical stature, strength, arm strength and mobility, but he has the intangibles and production and showed great Griese-like improvement as a senior. Could make it in the right system but will not be for everyone.

The issue with this is you are using the assumption that the #1 next year is worth a second this year - therefore both the Browns and Bills that picked 1st rounders next year look bad. If you keep them as 1st round picks they balance out - there are notes going both ways, but it seems obvious that the teams do not see the future pick the way you do.

I would make that trade every time. Mahomes would be fine early second - maybe very late first, but at 10 it was a classic case of overdrafting for a guy that will give them nothing this year at all. If - and to me it is a very big IF - Mahomes figures it out and is actually better than Smith - KC will be OK, but I still think they are a long way from getting anything and I love getting the extra picks.

Boy - I just disagree with this all the way around. I think they got a guy in White that was considered very pro style ready, played 4 years, and was a true leader. He was considered by some as high as the 2nd best CB and the most versatile and a great fit for this Defense. The Bills also picked a up a 3rd and a first next year. More ammo to get what they need this year and perhaps ensure they get a top QB next year. Love It!

Explain why they would want to spend nearly 15 million on Gilmore - when they drafted a replacement last year and a got extra picks and a leader out of this draft. They drafted Kyle's replacement last year and Gilly's replacement last year. Heck they even drafted a replacement WR last year to be prepared for 2017. It feels to me like this is a hot take - fire Whaley position rather than looking at the actual roster and plan. I do not see wheels spinning - I see them doing what every other team does - making choices on where to spend money and I would take Dareus all day over Gilmore - especially in this defense.

Great - I'm laughing at them - to trade that much to move up for a guy that does nothing to help them this year or next year is a mistake. The Bills are in a better position than they were before the draft started and they got a guy that is a better fit for their defense than what they would of taken at 10. This also puts them in a potentially better spot to get a real franchise QB next year. This came up all positive in my eyes. Plus they got better value than the Browns who moved back almost as far and only got the first next year.

I know yet everyone holds them up as some shining example, but in reality if you have the best QB by far in the league it is hard to do anything else wrong.

The guy is good, but he came in to replace Karlos and we did not miss a beat. We drafted his replacement last year and I am not sure how great of a fit MG was with the new offense. I think this was an acceptable move by the Bills. They did not overpay and NE just got rid of their ideal RB and replaced him with someone that does not fit as well and gave us an additional pick. Do not blow this out of proportion because of your hatred for all things. We are talking about our third leading rusher and a guy that is now on his 4th team in 3+ years. We are the only team that got something for him and it cost us nothing.

Agreed - and not only that, but he is the third RB they have paid this off season and now the Pats have 3 of the top 25 paid RBs in the NFL - a major issue (red flag) for any other team. Every other team would get just destroyed for way overpaying for Mike and having to give up a 5th Round pick, but because of Brady it will not matter - the Pats have the cap space and Brady is what drives the offense - so they just gave another big contract for a minor complimentary player and it will work out just fine.

This is exactly right. They have struggled drafting most positions and would prefer guys with NFL experience that they know fit. The pats have one main advantage over everyone else - They have an Elite QB that gets paid under the table - so he can take less than everyone else and has a huge income wife - so they do not need the extra funds - because of that they can overpay at other positions and they (just like the 90's Bills) get people to come and play for less. The Bills drafting has not been that bad, but the change of coaches and styles has impacted people they have kept on this roster. The hiring of Rex and the thought that they had a set defense - allowed them to take a run at a lot of FAs and they allowed several people to walk away. Some of those guys like Cockrell are starting on other teams because of the coaching changes.

Disagree totally - Kolb was one of the top FA QBs available (albeit with a risk). They wanted to run an uptempo offense with a veteran and that became obvious because shortly after the concussion the team began working on a more traditional paced offense and the uptempo offense went away by week 4. If the plan was to have EJ win the battle and run an uptempo offense - why did they move away from that after a few weeks if as you say EJ looked good in it. The facts point to everything being even they wanted to run a faster pace Chip Kelly offense and have an attacking defense and they wanted someone with experience running that attack - I understand Kolb showed nothing in Buffalo because of the concussion, but we was not going to be beat out by EJ. The fact the Bills moved back and looked to move back again before drafting EJ tells you that they knew he needed work. The fact tha Marrone was not comfortable with the QB situation in either year as seen with the argument at Training Camp and the change to Orton tells me that Marrone wanted a Veteran signal caller to give himself a chance at success. The biggest difference was to see the change in the offense over time - they wanted an uptempo fast paced offense - Kolb gets hurt and the EJ starts game one and they begin to walk back the uptempo offense even though he is alright. By the forth game, they are back to running a traditional offense with more of a rushing attack as they filter through QB after QB. Year two starts and the are a more run first team and then Orton takes over and the passing game begins to open up. Marrone wanted that veteran presence at QB to run his offense and the Kolb injury changed that. Now you can argue whether or not they should have trusted Kolb to stay healthy, but it was obvious from the beginning with the mat his time in Buffalo was doomed.

That is because you want the list to look bad - we can do this another way: The Good - Trading for Hughes, Trading for McCoy, Signing Richie, letting Byrd walk, Signing Z. Brown, signing Alexander, signing Taylor, putting together the talent for a top 5 defense, putting together the talent for a top 10 offense, resigning Taylor at a reduced contract, retaining Richie, Glenn, Wood from a top offensive line, trading back to draft EJ (if you want to give him the EJ pick). The Bad - trading up for Watkins (has great talent and no previous injury history, but you do not trade up for WR), trading up for a MLB. To me nearly everything else is the result of the coaching changes and that was beyond his control. Why do we have so few players drafted left - because we keep changing systems and needs. To build a team faster for a switchover - you sign FAs that fit the new scheme and that costs you draft picks.

Yes - the competition was rigged - Marrone did not want EJ starting - hence the uptempo offense that needed a veteran QB to run it. The Kolb concussion (albeit a definite potential given his history) was a changing point right out of the gate. I think if the owner thought talent was the issue over coaching - he would of made a change. I think the owner sees talented players - guys good enough for the Patriots to covet, but coaching that puts them in a bad position.

Agreed - people act like he planned to start EJ out in year one. That was going to be Kolb's team - hence the plan from Marrone to run a more uptempo offense. When Kolb got that concussion- it changed everything. Whaley to me is an average GM - he (like the GMs in Pittsburgh) works closely with the coaches and tries to take their input into consideration. His job is and has been to field a team that his coaches can win with, but he has been stuck with bad coaches that he did not choose. I want to see how this plays out with Sean for a couple of years. I think his drafting has been alright, but I do not like the trade ups, but I think he was trying to get something specific for his coach - especially last year. Considering a GMs job is to find talent and he has found (even via trade and FA) multiple Pro-Bowlers and added them to the roster and the record has been middle of the pack every year (7-9 wins) - I would say a ranking of 12 - 23 would be more accurate.

Actual this is completely incorrect. The city chose to build the new stadium and spend the money to get an NFL team and they wrote a horrible lease deal that the city was in default on. It sucks for the city, but the team should not be liable for any of the debt - that is bad planning and lease work by the city. If St. Louis did not want the debt - do not court the team - the NFL moved there because they gave the NFL everything it wanted years ago and then wonders why when they can no longer deliver the team moves on. I do not think they have a leg to stand on and I think there are wasting more tax payer money fighting a losing battle that they created.

Agreed - with everything else going on - this just seems like a petty grip by the OP.

I think a lot like the Tyrod articles - the "truth" is somewhat hidden by the bias of the writer and the bias of the reader. I personally did not like the Rex hire from the beginning - I thought he was a joke coach in NY and did not want the clown show in Buffalo. I also recognize that he is a larger than life personality and he really speaks to the mentality of a small town die hard fan. I do not know if this article is 100% true, but it really seems to fit into Rex mentality and Rob feeds that more than anything. I think the thought process of the article is pretty spot on and as people said before last season started - maybe having Rob on board would free Rex up to actually be a HC and not a higher paid DC, but it also feeds into his baser desires to do crazy things like go to a baseball game days before a football weekend.

LOL - this is perfect - absolutely hilarious. Thanks for the laugh. AFL - This is just his funny take on Tyrod - it had nothing to do with Rex at all.

He does look to be in better shape - my thought is in Rex's D - he was asked to be a big block eater to free up the LBs - He was out of shape, but also larger due to his role. He is going back to a gap/penetrating DL player - needs to be thinner and quicker. I think this is a much better fit.

It should have little impact on cable subscribers - the NFL network and CBS are still showing on the TV and will allow them to stream also. I have no issue either way - another spot to stream - I am sure Amazon will be doing deals associated with NFL march or shows.

I think this is right - Transplant does do an incredible amount of work and I do appreciate the effort. I just tend to disagree with his premise which is always about how superb TT is when the empirical data and the specific quotes of his HCs, OCs, and GM seem to fly in the face of the idea. His work is not wrong - his conclusions just tend to go to far toward TT is great. TT does many things well - He is incredibly mobile and that causes teams to pass rush in a more lane based manner making it easier to pass block. He has great speed and quickness to elude defenders and get to the boundaries and pick up yards. He has a nice deep ball down the sideline although it was less accurate this year than last year - he still gets plenty of air under it and gets it out there. He is very careful with the ball. All of these things help the offense in many ways. He also has a lot to work on. Throws over the middle and slants need to be on time and they are generally late. Lots of throws to WRs that have either turned and stopped or are coming back toward the QB or heading right at the sideline (no chance for any YAC). He moves out of clean pockets to quickly and that lead to increased sacks and runs out of bounds either at the line of scrimmage or behind the line of scrimmage (for an unnecessary sack). He seems on many occasions to focus on on receiver to long and misses the windows where other receivers come open. In the NFL a window may only be open for a second or two and the timing on your progressions is very important - that is why it is a three step drop and throw - that should be when the WR hits a window, but TT holds for that extra split second and the WR passes the window and now it is scramble drill time. Watching the All 22 - provides a lot of information and it is also difficult to know what the overall play call and design was, but you do see WRs hit windows as he completes his drop and TT just does not throw into that tight window enough - so once he re-cocks his arm - the next window is a WR on a comeback or out route and that WR tends to present a full jersey to TT and no defenders - so TT makes the throw and we get a short gain. It is a positive, but we missed the big play that would have opened things up for later. I like the fact that he does not turn the ball over, but it comes with a lack of attempts to WR all over the field. Again with his limited throwing he needs to keep the Turn-overs way down. I would be ok with a few more Turn-overs if it meant more throws and more big plays out of the passing game.

Thanks and same to you AFL - missed discussing topics with ya. Enjoy!

I think this is right. Woods was a good player and most people would have preferred him move to the slot and replace him with a legit #2. The fact that he was paid 8 million a season was way to much for what we would use him for. I am happy with the approach so far. I think it is amazing that Gilmore got the 14 million and from the Pats - I think that is a mistake they will regret. I like both players, but not at the contracts they got - I think the Bills are in an alright place. Now let's see what the draft brings.

If big Wrecks was our HC we would have, but now Whaley can pick from anyplace and take BPA rather than specific positions.