Rochesterfan

Remind me of what Worthy had in their other 3 games?

Every team, but 1 loses once the playoffs start. You can’t win the playoffs in September.

Are you sure? The Ravens (prior to this weekend) were statistically the worse defense in the NFL. They were 32nd in total yards and bottom 3 in both passing and rush yards given up. Bottom 3rd in red zone, 3rd down and 4th down. And bottom of creating turnovers. This weekend did not help any of the numbers. It may be the injuries, but right now they are the NFLs worst defense - so we really have not seen the Chiefs offense against a worse defense. They have struggled against the Chargers, Eagles, and Giants who all have decent defenses. It is no surprise they moved the ball against Baltimore. That is not a good defense and the injuries have killed them.

Yeah underwhelming for 5+ years and one of the best records and continuing to win every game. but to you they look like crap for 3+ quarters and somehow still win week in and week out. 🤦‍♂️

This is just stupid. Since 2020 the Bills have been in the top 5 for margin of victory every year - winning games by an average of greater than a TD. They have won the more games than every team, but 1 in that span. If they consistently played down to their competition- they wouldn’t be winning by an average of over 10 points per game and be 4-0. Teams that play down to their competition- they lose the Miami game (see the Chargers this week). When the Bills play their game - you may not like it, but they dominate the opponent and typically win by more than 1 score - just like this week. Are they perfect - No, but they are still a top team that has won and crushed lesser competition for years now.

After listening to Sal talk a bit, he suggested it might even be Thanksgiving as we have a bit of a mini bye - playing the Thursday before so you get a week and a half to get him ready. We will see, but I totally agree that they are not going to rush him and set him back. The speed of the ramp up will depend on the injury status of him and then other DBs.

That is not true. The team can decide when or if they want to activate the return window once they are on IR. Even if healthy - they can leave him on IR for the year or they can activate a window and after 21 days - even if healthy - return him to full season IR. The way he looks with the big brace and the fact that guys on IR can’t practice or attend meetings - my guess is physically there appears to be many things he can’t do and mentally he will need ramp up time. So if I had to guess - I would think they give him more time now to let it get better and then around the bye you start the activation if he is physically ready - so the coaches have a full week to try to mental work to catch him up followed by a couple of weeks of practice to put pieces together and then you add him to the roster. There is no rush right now - give him maximum time - and know everything changes with another injury on the team - the Bills have the flexibility to speed up or slow down the timeline.

Yeah - except the guy he was brought into develop - he destroyed and is now totally revitalized in Indy and the guy he left in Buffalo has grown way beyond anything Daboll could teach. The Giants would have been smart to move on last year and let a new HC pick the QB, but now they have a terrible coach with a rookie he chose. This is why the Jets have failed so much - stupid management. I have no idea what Dart will do, but after they fail this year - it falls to a new coach with no ties to decide on the future - ala a bunch of Jets and Bears QBs before him. Not sure any of makes Daboll look good.

Not really - the Bills have almost always had about an even mix of offense and defense being drafted. Yes there have been many DL, but not compared to what NE did. For example Beane’s drafts 2018 - 3 Defense and 1 offense with that being Josh 2019 - top pick was DT - Oliver and then 3 offensive players 2020 - our 1st went for WR then DE and 3 offensive players 2021 - 2 offensive and 2 defensive 2023 - 3 offensive and 1 defensive 2024 - 2 offensive and 2 defensive through 2024 - the higher picks have been defensive driven, but there have been more offensive guys picked in the first 4 picks - plus a trade of a #1 for WR. He has invested on the OL and the DL and we have gotten some return - guys like Oliver have been valuable, but it has not been as successful, but for it to be like NE - he has to repeat the 2025 draft for multiple years. Up until this year they have had a balanced early draft covering both offense and defense - much like NE did early in Brady’s run, but then they shifted to nearly drafting 100% defense early and built that way - 2025 was like that for Buffalo. Now how are fans going to react if we did 2025 (5 of 6 top picks on D) for 8 of the next 10 years - that was NE when their D was dominant.

They could, but it would drive people crazy. Just look at NE’s draft from 2003 to 2012 a period of 10 years of hefty dominance. 2003: 4 of the top 5 picks on defense including their 1st pick 2004: 4 of the top 5 picks on defense including their 1st pick 2005: 3 Defense and 2 offense in first 5 - both offense on OL including 1st 2006: offensive draft RB, WR, TE, FB, and K in first 4 rounds - all failures except K 2007: 4 of top 5 defense including 1st round 2008: 4 of top 5 defense including 1st round - only offense a failed QB in 3rd 2009: 3 of top 4 defense including 1st 2010: 3 of top 4 defense including 1st 2011: offensive draft OT in 1st, DB in 2nd then 2 RB and a QB 2012: 6 of 7 were defense including 1st. So for a 10 year run 8 of the 10 years the defense was drafted 1st and mostly and when they did go offense it was mostly OL or TE (Gronk in 2010 2nd round). They drafted few skill players mostly RBs that failed out. Many of those highly drafted defensive players paired nicely - many left and came back later on cheap contracts to guide the next group. The majority were DL and DBs especially early. Why were they successful- they let Brady handle making the offense work and drafted the defensive side over and over and over filling new players in, resigning those they could and cutting and trading those that wanted out, but that is where they drafts went and that is why they were successful. People here lose their minds that we are not picking offensive weapons for Josh all the time.

Correct and this is why people are wrong. Josh read the play pre-snap - knew what the options were and what we needed and immediately took the check down and the positive yards. As Sal and Eric point out - could he have come off and looked for Kincaid up the seam - yes, but there is no guarantee he is as open. If he starts to the right side - the safety drifts more to the right and the corner that is rotating to the deep half is drawn that way. Josh in year 1 or 2 would hold the ball and try to fit that in and maybe it works, but maybe the corner gets a break and we get either a pick or an incompletion. That was why in the early years we had so many 3rd and longs that Josh had to put a cape on and why we had so many turnovers. Now we have exactly what people asked for at that time and for years - a controlled, RAC yards offense much like what Sean Payton ran in NO with Drew Brees. The Down field passes have been there - This one - JT O’Sullivan points out a different play with 2 TE seams, but Josh is taking the sure and easy completion and going positive yards every play. That doesn’t mean there won’t be struggles - look at the blanket the Chiefs put on the Eagles - it happens, but it does not mean there is an issue - they are playing in structure and timing.

Yes and therefore - you cede all control on the drive to the Dolphins. In your situation- you basically give up any chance for the Bills to get the ball back and you allow the Dolphins to dictate what they want to run. You also free them up to take endzone shots and let the half end exactly as it did. By using the timeouts - the Bills gave themselves a shot at control and if Bosa keeps contain on the pressure on 3rd down - you get both scenarios. The Dolphins have to kick the FG and the Bills get the ball back with 20 seconds. Both scenarios have played out numerous times in history - one - you are ceding the points and allowing your opponent to dictate and one you are trying to dictate plays, but both require your defense to make a stop. In this case - the Bills didn’t and that drove the narrative, but I would still prefer McD to be aggressive and try to dictate even on defense - rather than be passive and allow your opponent to dictate down, distance, and time.

No way is this correct. The Bills called a timeout with 55 seconds left and 2nd and 5 already in scoring range. If they let clock run it is already under 30 seconds and the Dolphins still have 3 timeouts. Then you get a stop for -2 yards - so it will be 3rd and 7 - they stop it again with 47 seconds. Now you force Miami into a decision - which is what you want - Do I run and run time and kick the FG or risk throwing and an incomplete pass risks giving the Bills the ball back with 35-40 seconds. If the Bills don’t call timeout - you give the Dolphins complete control on both the time and play calls. Would that have lead to a FG - maybe, but so would a stop on 3rd and 7 where they got pressure, but the players let Tua escape and scramble for a first down. The Bills timeouts then become useless if they were not used then - with a running clock and a 2nd and 5 at the 23 - the Dolphins control all of the plays. The coaches called plays that should have worked on that drive and the Bills players did not make the plays. They forced Tua out of the pocket multiple times with pressure and let him pick up yards and first downs via both air and scrambles, they had Hill stopped 4 yards short on 3rd down and Bernard took a bad angle and missed a tackle, etc.

Nothing suggests the Patriots are a good team either. It is going to come down to mistakes. The Pats barely beat the Dolphins and the Steelers barely beat the Jets. They also both lost to bad middling teams. It makes me sick to hope the Steelers win this game.

This isn’t true - the Bills went 3 and out once. The 2nd punt was on a 6 play drive. The Bills had already gotten one 1st down on the Sieler drive - so no they would not have gone 3 and out 3 times in a row. Yes they may have punted 3 times in a row - with one called back, but they did not go 3 and out.

I can’t determine if our defense was so terrible that we gave up yards everywhere- a whole 276 yards. Or if our Offense was garbage because they were so conservative and out of sorts and could only muster 360 yards and 31 points. I mean the same people are arguing both sides as if the numbers were swapped. We out gained then by 100 yards and out scored them by 10 and created the only turn over in the game, but in multiple threads people are acting like we gave up 400 yards and only mustered 200. It is just insane.

You mean the coach that has over a .900 win % against McDaniel? The big loss being the heat game. That coach of the team that has treated the Dolphins like a son and made McDaniel literally speechless on how to beat the Bills. Yep you’re right he doesn’t know what he is doing. My god we have some winning thoughts around here. 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Why is this even a thing? The Bills have the ability to control this however they want. They control when Bass comes off IR and can resume practice. This doesn’t need to be anything as Sal stated earlier - let Prater kick and things pan out - if you need Bass you can bring him back - if Prater is doing fine you can keep Bass on IR. If they decide to activate Bass - you can put Prater on the PS and bring him back if needed. Whatever happens they have options and the ability to control the roll out and how it all plays out.

But wait - I read on here that this is all McD and Brady’s doing and it is just going to frustrate Josh. Now Brady is praising Josh for making those decisions- it can’t be. 🤦‍♂️

I think people are totally missing why he called timeouts. There are a couple of things that can happen and since Miami had their timeouts - he was not worried about the clock being a factor for Miami. The reality is you might get lucky - see Baltimore where they drove for a FG as the half expired. The second piece is psychological- if the Bills call timeouts - and as that game had shown - the Dolphins D had not really stopped the Bills - you can maybe get the Dolphins to go more conservative to keep the Bills from getting the ball back. The Dolphins were in FG range - by calling the timeouts you can see if on 3rd down if they trust the pass or maybe you get them to run it to let time run. I love the timeouts as it has little impact other than giving Miami and future opponents something to think about.

I think you would be complaining when he challenged them and lost both. It would have cost him the Ravens game if he had challenged the spot as if we lost it (and almost assuredly they would have still marked him short). The hill bobble it looked like he still had 1 foot down with control and the 2nd foot came down in bounds. It was close, but I think it was the right call as they did not overturn it with the “eye in the sky” that they also use. So overall - since you have no idea of the process and the Bills brought in an ex Ref to review these - I think I will be fine with the current process rather than whiney complaining.

You do know the Bills scored 31 and missed a FG - with no effort to rush plays or put passes into harms way.

1 Million % disagree with this. Any spot challenge is very hard to win because unless they give him the 1st down - he loses the challenge. Even if they decide to move the ball 1 yard forward - if they rule him short of the 1st down - that costs us a timeout - which was way more valuable. The spot was bad - terrible in fact- but because it is spotted at the point they begin the slide - not where he touches down - I could easily see them putting the ball 1 foot short of the line and the Bills losing the timeout. Even though they would have reset the ball nearly 1+ yards closer to the sticks. The problem was they needed to be able to pick-up the 1st down anyway and they failed and also got a penalty - two strikes.

I hear you - I just thought White sitting was always more of a prevent injury so he could get cut. Steve was their PS 2 years ago and that was the plan last year barring the injury that shelved him for the year - so it is no surprise he is back on the PS. I don’t think the Bills harbor any ideas he will develop and become a true back-up level player - I just think they like his intelligence and how he handles being the scout team QB and the things he can do as a number 3.

Where did you see this? The list the Bills provided from the official site had both Poyer and Latu + so he definitely did not get cut for Poyer as they had 16 guys and one was an IPP so they still had one slot if wanted. I agree it is not fully set as the Bills use it to keep lots of guys engaged - so they will add and cut many times and there were rumors of 2 additional guys the Bills were trying to sign that have not been announced, but it had nothing to do with Poyer if it is true. I just can’t find it. Everything points to him being on the PS.