Rochesterfan

I have 2 issues with the above: 1) When Mitch was in Pittsburgh it was with Canada as OC and it was hilariously bad for QBs. None of the QBs played well and guys that had been there got worse. With the o-line and lack of creativity, Mitch looked just like all the other QBs in Pittsburgh. He will be fine for his role here. 2) The reason they don’t draft many QBs is because of roster builds. They do not want a QB that needs time to develop taking up a roster spot and they are correct. The Bills keep 2 QB on the roster and want a starter and a guy they can insert and hold on to a win if required. They also want an experienced QB that can talk with Josh and they can see what the defense is doing to make adjustments. People would lose their minds had the Bills wasted a 5th rd pick on a guy like Milton just to cut and try to put on the PS. If they are going with a young QB, they want an UDFA or 7th round guy that can go to the PS and develop and they have that in Shane. The return also hasn’t been worth it. Milton and another player were traded for a 5th rd pick that was barely 20 spots in front of where he was picked. NE lost value overall on the trade and although they have drafted several QBs since near the end of Brady - very few have even netted anything close to the draft capital and has been an over net negative.

No surprise - He or White will be on the PS. Without the injury last year - he would have been the PS QB - so it is not surprising if he returns to that role.

Yeah - he acted like a jerk in what is considered to be a job interview and that caused him to fall - exactly as it should be. If he was truly a #1 - the Browns would be finding a way to start him rather than having to figure out if he or Gabriel will be back-up/3 rd string to Joe Flacco. The fact is guys that have skipped the draft process and guys have treated the pre-draft process poorly have still been drafted high in the past if they had elite talent. If you have mediocre talent, and less actual training than others - those players have fallen. Sanders has a chance to prove people wrong and it has started with 2 speeding tickets and some highlights and bad plays. He still has a long way to go.

You posted in a courteous cut thread started by a guy talking about cuts prior to this game so they can catch on elsewhere - with a post about guys to cut and - I missed the point. 🤦‍♂️ You also point out how lousy the depth is by naming depth guys that have been around the league - so guys that multiple GMs have considered to be depth. It is a bad point and shows nothing. Depth is exactly what is guys - guys to become available when you break glass and if you go around the league you can do the same thing on every roster with guys much worse than this. So overall - I guess I think you are just wrong about it - which is why I disagreed.

I think most who disagree just think it is a stupid post pre final preseason game. Let’s cut all of these guys that are going to make the 53 as back-ups and then do what play our starters the entire 4 quarters on Saturday. Lets look at it. Yes - brilliant lets cut both back-up QBs one of which will make the 53, 2 WRs one of which most likely makes the 53, and a back-up tackle that will either make the 53 or be trade fodder, but your brilliant plan is to cut them now. On Defense - let’s cut a young DL that will most likely make the 53 to cover suspensions and the guy that won’t count on the roster while suspended so he becomes a pickup later if injuries hit. Back-up LBs that will play a ton of snaps and STs this weekend, and several DBs including guys that not only will play a ton this weekend, but 1 of whom has a good shot at starting game 1. Therefore - I disagreed with you because the timing and the names make no sense to cut these guys with a game coming up tomorrow. It is also stupid as at least 5 of those guys are making the 53 - so why in the heck am I giving them a courteous cut in the middle of the week before the 3rd preseason game. If all those guys were cut today - yeah I would notice as we would not have enough backup to cover the 4 quarters and I hope and pray we don’t see any of them in the regular season because that means we finally got healthy, but I imagine some of them will have impacts good or bad as back-up on this team.

It not the math - it is the agent inflation. 1st - it’s not 30 million guaranteed - it is closer to 25 million overall 2nd - The full guarantee at signing which is what he is assured is only about 15 million 3rd - the final part of his guarantee is next year and some of that guarantees part his 2027 salary not a payout. I agree with Bill (and it happens every time) this is another case of an agent inflating what he got, In the end he got his salary this year guaranteed (was already going to get by playing) and 9 million for a signing bonus and 5 million of 2026. His Guarantee money at signing is only 15.3 million and that to me is the big number and that is very different than let’s say Barkley (36 million) or Henry (24 million). It is a fair deal and keeps him under 2% of the cap and less than Barkley, Henry, and Williams on their deals. Once the details dropped - as it typically the agent greatly overinflated the value of the deal to make the math come out and allow him to rank the deal highly for RBs in history.

This is especially true after they came up small in their 1st 2 trips to the finals during this run. To go to 5 straight and win the last 3 and be that clutch is just awesome. I just can’t wait for another banner raising. I am so happy my daughter came to NLL lacrosse later or she would be a Knighthawks fan here in Rochester, but coming on later as this run started she bleeds Orange and Black for Lacrosse.

That is easy - it was originally put into place to help balance teams rosters with injuries. Team A has 4 guys injured, but not on IR - which used to be for the season - and Team B was healthy - then the healthy team would have 4 additional rostered players to play. By limiting the 53 - it allowed both teams to have 48 rostered healthy players to keep balance and allow the injured players to sit. Team A could sit 4 injured players and a Healy guy, while team B had to sit 5 healthy guys, but now both teams have the same number that can play with no advantages and no one forcing an injured player to dress - just in case. It does need to be re-evaluated with the practice squad call-ups and the ability to use of returning IR in season.

It would be very interesting if they can get Rodgers on a contract similar to Russ in Pittsburgh and can do the same thing with Adams at WR. I think with the NYG OL, Rodgers could have a bit more time. I do worry that similar to the NYJ - bringing in Rodgers and Adams could set back Nabors like it did with Garrett Wilson and now he wants out.

And what if instead of this stupid thought process that the “fans” have - we look at the fact that Josh seems to really like playing for McD and Beane. Maybe he has spoken to ownership and stated his preference to play for these guys. Maybe - he realizes that the last several years he has had the ball at the end of the game with a shot to tie or win and the lack of plays has been on him and the offense. He is always hardest on himself and that is part of the frustration - the game has been in his hands and they have not come away with the win. I think he realizes how much of a say he has - he gets input on players that stay and go and draft picks - he stated Coleman was his guy - he thought he would be a great fit and that is the guy they made work. If he wanted new coaching - he could talk to Terry and would before a change is made, but I believe the exact opposite - I think Josh likes McD and the freedom he gives the team and that helps ground him here. I also think you are more likely to see Josh leave if we make a change to a coach that doesn’t foster his attitude - someone like Bill Beli and his attitude.

Everyone complains that McD failure in the playoffs is based upon the defense and then you argue that the bills only have a good roster not a great roster and no “game changers” on defense. That means that McD must be coaching his butt off to get the second best win % in all of sports over the last 5 years and a top offense and top end defense with only a good roster and no “game changers”. The fact that year after year the Bills have few to no Pro-Bowl players or all pros and yet McD dominates the division and wins a minimum of 1 playoff game with multiple trips to championship round and the last 2 years has the team in a 3 point game with the ball and a shot to win - tells me what I need to know. This is completely false. Most coaches that take over teams become failures. It is exceedingly rare for a coach to take over a team and suddenly take them over the top. Especially as they tend to change out coaching staffs and styles - so you begin to see a lot of turnover and people out of position. it is not unheard of, but the new coach pushing them over the top is a very limited sample size and the failure coaches are numerous- so actually getting better is probably closer to 5-10% chance with a 90-95% chance of the team getting worse. That should not stop the change, but that mixed with the fact that the team and Allen love coach McD and the team is successful and has done more with a weaker talent base should also be part of the equation.

Do you ever think maybe - just maybe - there is a reason they go left. Like maybe the way Josh takes the snap. It is significantly easier for Josh as a right handed QB to begin to move left as it keeps his primary hand in place to receive the snap. I think they recognize that trying to go right takes a step longer giving more time for the defense to close the gap. Left or Right to me isn’t the issue. The issue is where are the plays off from it. Where is the fake block and Knox in the endzone for a pass? I think going right may work sometimes, but my guess is the success rate would be significantly worse than going left for our team. I think the biggest difference overall is the few extra microseconds it takes on the road for the offensive line to move. They were a quarter of a step late all night and I think that was the difference in the game. The crowd doesn’t necessarily mean only false starts as an impact - it also leads to just a minor change in timing and for 2 very evenly matched teams - sometimes that is the difference.

The sticks are there this year mostly for decoration. The NFL said prior to the year you would see less measurements because they were using the eagle eye spotting and that is what you got. Someone above made the spot and deemed it short.

How do we feel about this now? KC got stronger playing against it especially when it was obvious. You don’t think that there was an equally good chance the same thing happens fron 2+ yards out against Baltimore.

Nope - several times they rush to the line to run the play - preventing the other team from bringing in extra DL. Additionally, when the other team is not on the goal line - they still have to think about defending the entire field - so they keep LBs and safeties on the field giving the OL a huge advantage. Down at the goal line after waiting to get the spot - Baltimore had already brought in extra DL. It was a totally different situation than even earlier when they hustled at the goal line and caught Baltimore with a standard defense and scored. This is the second time that this happened - the first was Detroit - and neither time where the defense could substitute and get fully ready at the goal line did the Bills run the play. I think they recognized when it works and when they will have issues and they go to alternate plays.