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These Training Camp discussions are gonna be fun

And from Joe B, today: 1) Tyrod Taylor has his sharpest day yet - Through six workouts that the media has been able to view during the spring offseason sessions, the best day weve seen from starting quarterback Tyrod Taylor was saved for the last day of school, so to speak. Taylor started off slowly with an interception, but after that, he was as sharp as could be. He was hitting his receivers in stride, sensing the pressure of the defense to find the bust in coverage, and firing the ball into his targets. This was a good sign for Taylor, especially considering that the other five workouts weve seen has featured him really playing at an average to below average level and that can be attributed to a number of different things, too. Hes working in a brand new offense, hes working with receivers he hadnt met before a couple of months ago, and a host of other issues, too. Now, he can pocket a great performance on the final day of minicamp and will look to continue that into the start of training camp. For the Bills to be at all competitive this year, theyll need Taylor healthy and to be playing at a similar level to last year at least. Maybe things have changed, he's just gotta readjust to a new offense, again.

Yeah, he was absolutely underwhelming without pressure, true. But the problem with your qualifier in the 2nd paragraph is your assumption that it's his passing out of the pocket that boosts him up... directly from the article: Tyrod was 64 of 143 (44.7%) for 996 yards (6.96 yards per attempt) with 10 TDs and four INTs while under pressure in 2016. Now I'm not presuming to figure out every single pass they've recorded, but according to PFF, 10 of his TDs were under pressure. Now go to YouTube and count how many of his 17 TD passes he left the pocket for. I think you're going to be surprised (dare I even say encouraged?) at the fraction of his TD passes alone he actually left the pocket. If that's any indication of the rest of the throws they counted, the entire premise of what you say here is missing the mark.

Aww... you want to join for Bocce and beer, too? Just bring Heineken.

Back to discussion of the relative topic at hand entitled: Tyrod Taylor had 7th-best QB rating while under pressure in 2016 https://www.google.com/amp/www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2017/6/14/15802026/tyrod-taylor-buffalo-bills-7th-best-qb-rating-while-under-pressure-in-2016 And here's Trappasso's conclusion (he's clearly a Tyrod homer ): The combination of these advanced statistics helps to dispel the notion that Tyrod is ineffective in the face of pressure because he morphs into a running back in those situations.

Thanks! I needed that... I mean my life revolves around these Internet victories We're still on for bocce and beers later, right?

I don't think I've changed much, and Crusher sure as hell hasn't changed me. I'm not being petty and think I'm being pretty direct, which is exactly the opposite of passive aggressive. You're trying to make this personal for some reason. If you can't even acknowledge there's some level of hypocrisy in your line of thinking I guess that's fine. You're a poster I respect even though we often disagree, You're making something personal by calling me names when there's no need to. I've been proven wrong... even hypocritical in the past. When someone points it out, I'll own it and admit it. Or I'll explain myself if I think it's necessary. You're just perpetuating personal attacks by insulting me, instead.

Oh boy... we're already starting with these practice reports... Well... might as well give you a counter: http://www.wgr550.com/articles/bills-wrap-hyper-competitive-minicamp-next-stop-training-camp —The offense had a much better day throwing the football overall, especially in the red zone. Multiple TD passes were thrown by Tyrod Taylor in the red area while the starters were going against one another. Good to end strong going into a 6 week hiatus and end on a high note

Do you mean beating good teams consistently or ever? If consistently, okay. If ever, he's beaten good teams as a starter. The team (with him at QB) beat the playoff bound Texans last year and the 3-0 Patriots who shut out a playoff bound team 10 days earlier (3 days extra rest and prep for the greatest coaching mind in history) with exactly the same QB at the helm as the Bills would go on to shut them out. I get that absolutely everyone wants to pile on that Patriots game being without Brady, but that was still a pretty darn good team. I'm not trying to be petty, I'm fine with "what if" conversations... and I guess you are, too. But only when they suit you. A bit hypocritical. I really don't care. I just think it's funny, coming from you... And less than 10 pages later you do this. Just entertaining...

Sure sounds like "what if he has more interceptions, but he also..." But okay... Sure, I can agree, if more interceptions come in the process of significantly more production from him and more wins, I think we'd all embrace it. But there are people who talk about him needing to throw more interceptions because it would somehow indicate his mindset has changed and he's a better QB.

It absolutely won't happen every game. My issue is that these individual criteria are just arbitrary. I've already pointed out how Rodgers is 2-39 in his entire career in 4th quarter comebacks vs. winning teams in the NFL. Yet, by that criteria you've set forth, Rodgers isn't good enough. I know that's not what you actually think. Of course we all know Rodgers is the better QB. But QB is such an intricate and complex position that when you get one thing fixed it seems another issue pops up.

Didn't you just recently say you don't like playing the "if" game? I'd say more interceptions being part of an equation that leads to more wins is an awfully big "if."

Define "consistently"...

I would not want this. I actually think it's weirdly interesting the way some people are almost begging for more interceptions... And for 2015... Tyrod Taylor: 257.4 YPG, 1.714 TD/G Again, get back up to 2015 production or (ideally) improve upon it.

As I've already said, if Taylor's production resembles 2016 or is worse, he's likely gone relatively quickly. But I'd say 2015 is the benchmark for him to meet or exceed, and that 4,000 yards and 30 TDs would be 33 passing yards more per game and less than half a TD more per game than those 14 games. I'd say in the passing game that's the most I would reasonably hope for from him in the passing game. But what he adds on the ground on top of that would be extra saucy gravy to also consider... Some people really don't care about what he contributes on the ground. It's a non-factor the way they talk about it.

Here's the thing, the case won't be closed because, for some, it's pretty clear that there's a pretty well defined and rigidly set type of QB we absolutely need in order to be successful. Taylor's never going to be a QB throwing for 5000 yards and 40 TDs. It's not the type of QB he is. I suspect that in terms of production, you're not going to see Taylor do significantly more than he did in 2015. Do I think he can throw for 4,000 yards in a season and 30 TDs? In the right circumstances and system, sure. The question is, would that be enough to satisfy you? For some, I think the answer is pretty clearly no.

I just want to talk Taylor in this thread, and I thought the discussion was done except Foxx decided to randomly bump it. As always, I'll be respectful and limit discussion to that unless someone like Crusher directly insults me. Indy, why come into a discussion you haven't been in just to try and regulate? I guess your new name fits

Wow... So... who was the next best rushing team in the NFL? Which team had the Elite OL? Which team has a future HOFer at TE? Thurm... you've turned into a real hater... have been for awhile, actually. Your feigned objectivity isn't fooling anyone.

What the hell is AV?

I've started 2 total threads since I've been here... which is about half a year now... and I've limited most of my Taylor discussion to these 2 threads as people respond to posts in the threads. Is that what you did to get banned? If so, that's wrong. But I've seen the way you post as this poster and your last one and doubt you're accurately describing (or maybe even aware of) what got you banned. Why are you so whiny?

Here's a solid example for you in advance of legitimate reasons you might think I'm being "douchy" towards you, in case you ever have that "well I didn't do anything wrong, it's all you" mentality

Nope Oh man... you're in for a treat... And catharsis... Oddly enough, I might like Better Call Saul better even though it's less eventful.

And Crusher, this was what I responded to with you being a "sad little man." Insult for insult. But you struck first. Don't be so douchy about the way you post. You're incredibly antagonistic. Just a friendly lesson

Posts like what exactly? Here's what I love... you have been essentially saying that I'm somehow different from every other poster and yourself in that I seemingly am the only one who will generally post stuff that supports an opinion have but don't generally post stuff that goes against my opinion. I'm sorry, but tell me in what way that's different from anyone else here? You need to get of your high horse (I think those might be the exact words another poster used in these last few pages... perhaps I'm not the one who needs to do some self examination )

He believes it...