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All fair enough. Mayfield's fire is one of the main reasons I love him. Dude won a starting QB job as a walk-on at a D1 college and transferred and won the job again at an even more high profile school and had the best consecutive year stint for any QB in college football in recent history, maybe ever. He comes up big in big moments. He's always been dismissed and has a massive chip on his shoulder. On top of all that, the guy who's reportedly been blowing teams away in his interviews and film breakdown is Mayfield, not Rosen. You're right, Rosen is the prototype I want in terms of what I see. But Mayfield is the guy I prefer in a Bills uniform. I'll be happy with either, though.

If you can still type... you didn't drink too much beer When I was hammered one time in college and crashing at a friend's house, I peed on a pile of laundry in the corner of his room in the middle of the night, but it only happened once... every other time in college I was hammered and caught peeing in the corner of a room in the middle of the night, there was no laundry.

This cracks me up: "He’s a potential first overall pick even though scouts know he wasn’t good in college. I’m of the belief that the draft is an efficient market, so if Allen goes first overall, then I’d wager he’s got a very good chance to turn into a good NFL quarterback. But I also think the chance that Allen slides significantly in the first round is a lot higher than people think, too. Until he’s actually drafted, we don’t know how much teams are willing to overlook." ...in other words... "If he goes high, he'll probably be good... I mean, an NFL GM thought he'd be good, so he probably will be. But if not he's probably going to be bad... I mean, look at all the guys who passed on him!" Boy... way to really go out on a limb there Chase Stuart! I've been arguing the basic premise of this article for weeks now... except this article only goes as far back as Ryan Leaf. There hasn't been a QB playing for a relatively small school like Wyoming against crappy competition who's been really mediocre in terms of the way he's played who's been drafted in the top 10 of the 1st round and gone on to have a successful NFL career since Phil Simms was drafted 39 years ago in the 1979 draft. I think the kid might drop precipitously if Cleveland doesn't take him. Lord I hope they take him... I sure as hell don't want to worry about us taking him. At least Cardale Jones had a stretch of excellent play on the biggest stage against high level competition and won a National Championship... starting to honestly wonder if that ivory skin isn't helping Allen out immensely

Almost? I think Mayfield is the closest thing to a sure thing in this draft, personally. I think he's going to be a true Franchise QB. I'll be very very happy if we manage to get Mayfield while keeping even more of our draft picks Abso friggin LUTELY!!!! Although I will be very up front and honest about this: I will delude myself with time into thinking Allen could be our Franchise Savior even though right now I'm disgusted at the prospect of even drafting him. Kinda frightening that he's constantly popping up as our choice in the vast majority of mock drafts Any of those 3 guys in a trade up or Jackson at 12 on draft day and I'm jumping for joy. Allen in a trade up and I'm seeing if I can run through a wall

So, from that list, not all of them have posted mock drafts yet... in fact, I could only find about half of the top 20 mock drafters over the last 5 years. Out of that list, here were the top projections to Buffalo. #1 - Baker Mayfield Projected by Brian Phlipot (#6), Ben Standig (#7), Jonathan Cook (#15) and Doug Martz (#18) #2 - Josh Rosen Projected by Forrest Long (#2), Scott Wright (#12) and Rob Staton (#16) #3 - Josh Allen Projected by Mike Loyko (#9) and Dan Kadar (#19) #4 - Lamar Jackson Projected by Ryan McCrystal (#8) FWIW, Loyko, who projected Allen to us is a Patriots writer, Kadar, who projected Allen to us runs the "mocking the draft" website, which seems to compile a bunch of different fan mocks and McCrystal projected Jackson to us before we traded up to #12 with Cincy, so he projected him to us at #21.

Almost every mock draft I'm seeing pop up lately is linking Buffalo to Allen in a trade up with Denver or someone like them. I just don't believe Buffalo covets Allen this much. I personally don't like Allen at all and think he's not even one of the top 5 QBs in this class, but I can understand Buffalo viewing him as one of the top 5 QBs, possibly even the 3rd best... though I think that's a stretch. But with all these drafts consistently linking Buffalo to trading up to #5, it makes me wonder how much any of them are actually paying attention to what these GMs (ours in particular, in this case) have been doing over the last year. I'm expecting Beane to find a way to get one of his 2 favorite QBs in this draft, and whether that's Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield, I don't know, but I'm just not seeing (and more specifically, not wanting) Allen.

Almost every mock draft I'm seeing pop up lately is linking Buffalo to Allen in a trade up with Denver or someone like them. I understand that this is largely my bias speaking, but I just don't believe Buffalo covets Allen this much. I mean, while I personally don't like Allen at all and think he's not even one of the top 5 QBs in this class, I can understand Buffalo viewing him as one of the top 5 QBs, possibly even the 3rd best... though I think that's a stretch. But with all these drafts linking Buffalo to trading up to #5, it makes me wonder how much any of them are actually paying attention to what these GMs (ours in particular, in this case) have been doing over the last year. Personally, I expect Beane to find a way to get one of his 2 favorite QBs in this draft, and whether that's Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield, I don't know, but I'm just not seeing Allen. Not seeing... but moreso, not wanting.

With what? You need to probably wait at least a year and a half until Allen even sees meaningful regular season action, maybe longer. Don't waste your energy on being so frustrated so early... you have a loooooong time to deal with passing talk about how bad he's likely going to be as a pro until you have any regular season NFL play to use to debunk that belief.

You're living in a dream world. Absolutely no chance that both our 1sts this year and our 1st next year would get this done. If they Giants made that deal, Gettleman wouldn't keep his job very long. It's going to require at least one of our 2nd rounders and probably one of our 3rd rounders, as well.

God... McShay should be embarrassed for this being publicized

This must be a typo... you mean Allen, right?

And hey... the Patriots probably have an interest in Jackson, in part, because the Eardhart-Perkins offense they run is what Jackson ran at Louisville. Hey, what offense do we run again?

StoooOOOOoopppp Stafford played in the SEC at Georgia and went to major bowl games and won and most importantly, Stafford drastically improved every single year he was in college. In Stafford's last year he had a 61.4% completion %, threw for almost 3500 yards at 9 YPA. Comparing Allen to Stafford is laughable.

We're making the playoffs again this year. Calling that now... partially because I just think McDermott and the team are going to find a way to improve on last year and partially just to debunk the ridiculously preemptive negativity 5 months from the start of the regular season.

Just get Mayfield or Darnold and all will be well with the world

Do we even have a QB coach to coach him?

Love it. Seems realistic. Honestly, I have ZERO knowledge of any college players outside the prospects being talked about as 1st rounders, so I'm hoping Beane and McDermott do what they did last year and draft well in later rounds (Milano & Dawkins) while also sniffing around the league for scraps from other teams who might be diamonds in the rough (Deonte Thompson, Travaris Cadet, Marcus Murphy, etc.) and maybe some of our other young hopefuls come along this year and really surprise us (Zay Jones, Brandon Reilly, Rod Streater, Adolphus Washington, John Miller, Ryan Groy, etc.) and we become a perfect storm coming together for a 2018 Super Bowl run Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?

This is pretty universally viewed as one of the strongest, most top-heavy QB drafts maybe since the 1983 draft. 4 QBs are almost certainly going in the top 10. 5 QBs are almost certainly going in the 1st round. Yet, no one can agree on who the absolute best, can't-miss guy is, which is what makes this so interesting and why the conversation is so persistent. All these guys have their flaws. And to top it off, while the Bills aren't currently in position to get one of the 3 or 4 best QBs in this draft, Beane and McDermott almost perfectly played their hands since last year's draft by accumulating more draft capital in the first 3 rounds than any other NFL team. The Buffalo Bills will almost certainly be trading up in order to draft our first Franchise QB in 22 years. There's a reason this is justifiably a serious and heavily discussed topic.

Yeah, he can fall to 12. But that very phrasing is exactly why we need to trade up in the draft. A lot of things can happen with these QBs, but one thing is for sure, we absolutely need to draft a QB in this draft as we only have 2 QBs on our roster. And on top of that, I don't think any sane person would call Peterman or McCarron our future Franchise QB, so we should be doing everything we can to get one. We have more draft capital than maybe we've ever had. Now is the time.

Well... I've always thought it was childish to report other posters... like going and telling mommy. But I guess from now on when Thurm attacks me or derails the conversation by bringing up old baggage that isn't remotely relevant to the conversation, I'll report the post to the mods. I understand completely. And agree. I changed my Jordan Palmer post to more fully reflect what I meant. Bad NFL QBs are the guys who often grow into good analysts, media personalities, and even "gurus" for some reason. And it's ironic. Saying the same thing, just bringing up the other obvious example from the thread

Wouldn't the same principal apply for Orlovsky, then?

Makes sense, I will no longer say a single word to Thurm on this board unless he addresses me directly. Good enough? Jordan Palmer... I'm not saying you're the one glorifying him, necessarily. I'm saying that bad NFL QBs seem to be the ones who end up being pundits, gurus, analysts, and experts.

Well... what about the irony of a guy who lasted 6 years in the NFL and threw 18 regular season passes as some new "QB guru" to be glorified?

This was the game I posted earlier in this thread from youtube. You can watch every throw from it. And this was a play that jumped out at me. I feel like all of Allen's most glaring weaknesses are the same glaring weaknesses of the guy we just traded. Actually, seems to be the weakness of the last two QBs we got rid of. Go to separate rooms until you can get along? Are your preschoolers communicating via teleconference or telepathically? Or when do you determine that they can get along if they aren't even interacting?

Been trying to talk about Josh Allen in this Josh Allen thread. Instead, I keep getting attacked by that arrogant douche. Bullies don't get free hall passes.