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We aren't on a new Coordinator because we fired one each time. We fired one OC and (probably) one DC. As for the whole "McDermott should go outside the organization because all he hires are YES men!!!"... Matt Parrino and Ryan Talbot talked about this recently on their "Shout" podcast. Of course Head Coaches are going to hire people who will do what he wants them to do. That's what all Head Coaches do. And they should. The difference here is also that both our new OC and DC were desired by other teams for either the same position or a Head Coaching position.

Well this just belies the what happened and really paints it negatively for no good reason. For OC, we lost our previous OC who was so good that he got a HC job. Then we promoted the QB coach (who NEVER had any playcalling experience) already on the squad and let him try the position for a full year and a half before moving on from him. Then we promoted the new QB coach who DID have previous playcalling experience to OC and we got a 9 game sample size with him. So, as far as OC goes at least, it's not like we don't know part of what we're getting. For DC, there was a mutual parting of ways (it seems) with our years-long DC. Then our HC who cut his teeth as a DC decided to call plays. Now we promoted a guy widely viewed as an up and coming young coach, not because of the lack of success this past season, but more as a way to make sure we don't lose the young guy.

Tre was pretty bad when he came back. He was also eased back into the lineup with several weeks after Von was this year. You hear athletes time and time again say that ACL tears really take more than a year's worth of recovery for them to feel like themselves again. We started to see flashes of the old Von in his last 2 games. I've said my piece. You've said yours while hijacking a thread that was supposed to be about getting excited about this team moving forward. Maybe you should start a separate thread about how you think Von should be cut because he's shot. I'm sure that thread will get plenty of dialogue.

See Tre White coming back from his 2021 injury in 2022.

Yes. You spend another $6.7m on Von. I understand your position and wildly disagree with it. There's an objective age cut in your brain that Von just doesn't make. There's absolutely no arguing against that because we didn't see a fully healthy Von really at all this year. Tre was a shell of himself when he came back in 2022 after an ACL tear in 2021. He looked much better this season. I (and others) am saying Von deserves some latitude when it comes to his performance this year because of his injury. You're saying he reached X age so he's shot and that's it. That's literally what you're arguing. I think that argument is ridiculous. I could point to Reggie White, Bruce Smith, or even Michael Strahan who all had good to great seasons at an age older than what Von will be this season. You'll say different era. This is a stupid argument. Von will be on the team. You've sure made your position clear... you'll either be right or wrong. But talking about a simple age cutoff as the strict and sole reason he won't belong on an NFL field next season is a stupid conversation because there's no proof of it other than screaming from the mountaintop that he's shot as you've been doing throughout this entire thread, which ironically wasn't about Von.

You said Shakir is the only guaranteed contributor on the team next year and that's blatantly false. Diggs is guaranteed to be on the team as a contributor next year, and even if he's on the otherbside of the hill, he's still better than Shakir, who I love. People need to just stop watching Diggs interviews and reading his tweets. He's the ultimate Troll in the offseason and you all fall for it.

I realize it's fun to pick through and choose "our guys," but in this draft, I don't know if Beane can really go wrong as long as he drafts a WR in the 1st and 2nd round and another later. We have Josh ***** Allen... he's going to make whatever WR we draft a stud.

I really don't know why we're still talking about cutting Von as a viable option or even a good one. Here's Greg Tompsett on the idea of cutting Von. Go to 5:45 "Unfortunately, we have to hope that (he contributes next year like he did against KC) because there's still $32m that we haven't accounted for that we've paid Von Miller. He's going to count for that money whether he's on the team or not, so releasing him--whether you do that before June 1st or after June 1st--we've still gotta make up that $32m. So, some people will try to put it as "Oh! If we do it after June 1st, we save money!" Well, no... you just kicked $15m out of the $32m we owe into the 2025 and make next year even worse." Also factor in the CAP money that will be pushed into 2025 if we were to cut him post June 1st 2024. He's still under contract

Not true in his last 2 games. Even Joe Marino in his All-22 review of the KC game said Von was one of the best defenders on the field that game. And Joe has said all season that Von should have been inactive because of his lack of contribution.

But as the other poster said at one point, cutting Von means you have to replace him. And not just with a single $6.7 million DE. You'd be cutting a rostered DE after having already paid him all that money and would leave yourself with only Player X who replaces Von, Kline, and Groot. You need at least 2, probably 3 more rosterable DEs on this team. And again... you've already paid Von a ton of money, so if there's any thought he can be a value to the roster as a contributor, it doesn't make much sense to cut him.

Because he always has. He was still playing at an extremely high level in the 10 games he played in 2022 at age 33. If we get 80% of that 10 game in 2022 Von Miller, it's better than "some of the younger guys." And who exactly are "some of the younger guys" you're referring to?

It wasn't just 8 or 9 games to round back into form after his last injury. It was 6 games and then an entire offseason and then however many games in 2023 you would argue it took him in 2024. Von now has an entire offseason to get his body right and recover. You're actually convincing me even more that cutting Von simply won't happen. It's clear you think it's strictly his age as the reason he's "shot." You've hitched your wagon to that idea, and that's fine. Brandon Beane signed him to a contract that very clearly intended to keep him for at least 3 years, plus the previous restructure. Von Miller is not getting cut. He'll have the offseason to recover and get right and then we get to see what percent of the old Von he is in 2024. Douglas played "pretty well????" "80% Tre White is an upgrade on him"????? Are you just trolling everyone?

Von Miller is one of the absolute best pass rushers in NFL history. The fact that you believe suddenly he won't even belong on an NFL field less than 2 years removed from 8 sacks in 10 games is pretty amazing to me.

Wow... seriously disagree on this. Tre had 2 injuries to the same leg basically 2 years in a row. And the 2nd injury is considered a much worse injury than the first. Meanwhile, Von's first injury was years ago. Yes, age might be a factor, but Von fully recovered from his first injury and was back to his old self for years. We never truly saw that happen after Tre's first injury. I think Von's age just made for a longer recovery time. I think we keep both guys, but if I were to bet on which one is going to have a better 2024 season, it's Von by a longshot.

Really didn't mean to offend in terms of age, but our failures in the playoffs especially in the 13 second game certainly had something to do with Frazier's "bend don't break" defensive mentality that he's notorious for. Same goes for other big games we've lost, including the Houston playoff game in 2019. Age aside, Frazier's defenses were always great in the regular season, but were a huge contributor if not THE contributor to our final losses in 4 consecutive playoff games. That Bengals game last year Burrow picked the Bills D apart because Frazier approached the game with what everyone could tell was obviously the wrong game plan.

Yes, I think he gets at least that production.

Miller looked pretty good against KC and finally had a couple game impacting reps against Pittsburgh. Yes, he will be 35. Bruce Smith had 10 sacks in his age 37 season and 9 sacks in his age 39 season. I will go on record that Von rebounds in 2024.

@GunnerBill I agree with several of your takes in this thread, but not on Von. He had an ACL tear and finally started showing something in the last couple games of the season. Outside of Groot, Von may have been the best DL against KC. The financials to cut him just don't make sense knowing that he was exactly what we signed him for before his injury in 2022 and that he was less than a year and 2 months out of his injury in the KC game. He's a 1st ballot HOFer who was still playing like one at age 33 until he got injured. If he's 75-80% of Von Miller, he's worth it to keep under that CAP hit. Floyd was a lottery ticket this year we hit on. A lot of those same vet Edge Rushers that signed in that late wave were total busts. Bird in the hand...

McDermott is the General leading them. The Coordinators are the Captains. How did it work with a geriatric DC in Frazier?

Moving on from Knox this year doesn't financially make sense. Ask the CAP experts. Also, Knox is actually a huge asset for this team in 12 Personnel, which we're likely to use a lot of. I could see us moving on from Poyer, but probably not because I think McDermott will want him in there as a veteran presence to teach everyone else. See my other comments about White. I doubt we move him, but we'll restructure his contract. No, I think Morse stays for similar reasons as Poyer. He's also still playing at a pretty high level.

Hyde is gone. I think people need to come to grips with the fact that it's way more likely that Tre is still on the roster next season, just under a reworked deal. If you listen to any of the experts on the CAP stuff like Mike Giniti from Spotrac or Greg Thompsett from Cover_1, they say what will almost certainly happen with Tre is a reworked deal I think Dorian Williams is going to be an important X-factor moving forward. So many NFL offenses shifting to 21 and 12 personnel and so many NFL defenses are going back to using 3 and even 4 LBs pretty frequently. The Chiefs and Lions are 2 great examples of that.

We have 10 draft picks. If you think Beane drafts 10 players and doesn't use any of those assets to trade up throughout the draft, you're nuts. If we were to trade our 1st & 4th again to move up a couple spots or even our 1st, 3rd, & 4th to move up 6 or 7 spots to get OUR guy, the Bills would still have 8 or 9 total draft picks. At that point you rely on your scouting team. And here's the thing... Beane has been drafting guys in the later rounds who still end up playing on active rosters in the NFL. The problem has been that the Bills have been such a veteran team that those players can't displace the older Bills players. I could see the Bills getting serious contributors at RB, WR and DT in the mid to late rounds. Maybe the Safety of our future.

I'm gonna be honest... it took me some time to get over our season. I'm good now. Now I'm excited not just for next season, but our future. First of all, Buffalo has the 2nd youngest OC/DC combo in the NFL. Players advocate for these guys who have plenty of juice, so let em shake us all season long! Second, and most important, a lot of people are worried about our CAP while ignoring the 10 draft picks plus 9 future reserves we have in the waiting. Combine those with young stars already on the team like Bernard, Kincaid, Shakir, Brown, Benford & Rousseau and this team is about to get a lot younger as guys like Hyde, Poyer, Miller and Diggs exit in the next 2 or 3 years. To me, the future looks bright. Our most important player is about to become the veteran presence as everyone else around him gets younger. And it's by necessity because of our CAP situation. But don't be afraid of that... the Bills since McBeane have been in place have maintained one of the oldest rosters in the NFL. Always low to mid 20s, as far as ranking in the NFL... not as far as age. That means we've always been one of the 10 oldest teams in the NFL. Now we inject youth. This offseason it's inevitably going to come in the WR corps & DL especially, but it'll shift across positions moving forward. And we'll have a young OC & DC with a lot of juice to connect with them and a hypercompetitive QB with a handshake for everyone and Richard jokes to get them playing for him This team is actually going through some drastic changes this offseason... it has me excited!!!

I'm saying Beane has 8 other picks to play with along with that 1st and 3rd round pick.